Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out

17 Sep 2016


      I will add this.  Of any car, I think the Pantera is the easiest to pull a transmission out of.  With that in mind, I might not put too much weight in the inconvenience of failure, though any failure is inconvenient.

Asa

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Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Thank you Mike!
I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The unit
that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another project....
and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them for a rebuild
before installing in my  build, they sent me a brand new unit in the box to
ensure "a positive experience with their product". At no cost. Not even
rebuild cost.
That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this
discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
Thank you so much
Cullen.
On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <MikeLDrew@aol.com> wrote:
...
In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, cmccann1972@gmail.com writes:
Good afternoon!
Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is
Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
fantastic experience with them on another performance car application.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
...
...
...
I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since 1993. In
2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the gearbox and
removed it, and called McLeod.
They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements) since
mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics, they
went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one only
had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially gave
me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me...
For FREE!
I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told me not
to worry about it!  This despite the fact that the one I sent them was
TWENTY years old!!!
Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but that
gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers
generally.
BUT.
Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from a
functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.  The advantages
are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the high
cost.  From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as whenever
the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox.  (My Pantera
has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my own
laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to
consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when they
reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so
that as the disc wore, now it's slipping).
If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.  Having done
it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when doing
so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my teeth and
(someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then put it
back together.
FWIW….
Mike
Thank you Mike!
I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The
  unit that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another
  project.... and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them
  for a rebuild before installing in myA  build, they sent me a brand new
  unit in the box to ensure "a positive experience with their product".
  At no cost. Not even rebuild cost.
That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this
  discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
Thank you so much
Cullen.
On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew@aol.com> wrote:
In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, [2]cmccann1972@gmail.com writes:
    Good afternoon!
    Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
    say is
    Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had
    a
    fantastic experience with them on another performance car
    application.
    [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
    >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since
    1993. In 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled
    the gearbox and removed it, and called McLeod.
    They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements)
    since mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
    I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new
    hydraulics, they went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even
    though the old one only had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine
    shape. So they essentially gave me an entirely new setup, and
    shipped it back to me...
    For FREE!
    I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told
    me not to worry about it!A  This despite the fact that the one I
    sent them was TWENTY years old!!!
    Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way,
    but that gives a clear indication about how they feel about their
    customers generally.
    BUT.
    Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert
    from a functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.A
    The advantages are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least
    of which is the high cost.A  From a maintenance perspective, they
    are a nightmare, as whenever the slightly thing goes wrong you have
    to pull your gearbox.A  (My Pantera has been all but sidelined for
    the better part of a year due to my own laziness, because when I
    installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to consider that they
    would not respect my precise measurements when they reassembled it,
    and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so that as
    the disc wore, now it's slipping).
    If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.A
    Having done it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are
    removed when doing so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I
    will just grit my teeth and (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to
    adjust it properly and then put it back together.
    FWIWa|.
    Mike
References
1. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com
  2. mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com
  3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
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I will add this.  Of any car, I think the Pantera is the easiest to
   pull a transmission out of.  With that in mind, I might not put too
   much weight in the inconvenience of failure, though any failure is
   inconvenient.
   Asa
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   Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com> wrote:
   Thank you Mike!
   I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod. The
   unit
   that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another
   project....
   and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them for a rebuild
   before installing in my  build, they sent me a brand new unit in the
   box to
   ensure "a positive experience with their product". At no cost. Not even
   rebuild cost.
   That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on this
   discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
   Thank you so much
   Cullen.
   On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <MikeLDrew@aol.com> wrote:
...
In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, cmccann1972@gmail.com writes:
Good afternoon!
Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
...
Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
fantastic experience with them on another performance car
   application.
https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
...
...
...
I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since
...
2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I pulled the
   gearbox and
removed it, and called McLeod.
They told me they had performed two design revisions (improvements)
   since
mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new hydraulics,
...
went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even though the old one
   only
had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine shape. So they essentially
   gave
me an entirely new setup, and shipped it back to me...
For FREE!
I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they told
   me not
to worry about it!  This despite the fact that the one I sent them
   was
TWENTY years old!!!
Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way, but
...
gives a clear indication about how they feel about their customers
generally.
BUT.
Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert from
   a
functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.  The
   advantages
are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least of which is the
   high
cost.  From a maintenance perspective, they are a nightmare, as
   whenever
the slightly thing goes wrong you have to pull your gearbox.  (My
   Pantera
has been all but sidelined for the better part of a year due to my
   own
laziness, because when I installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed
   to
consider that they would not respect my precise measurements when
...
reassembled it, and thus it was put together with insufficient
   clearance so
that as the disc wore, now it's slipping).
If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.  Having
   done
it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that are removed when
   doing
so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I will just grit my
   teeth and
(someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart to adjust it properly and then
say is
   1993. In
   they
   that
   they
   put it
...
back together.
FWIWa|.
Mike
Thank you Mike!
      I did have a very similar customer service experience with McLeod.
   The
      unit that's in my cobra was an older unit had acquired from another
      project.... and just exactly like you stated, when I sent it to them
      for a rebuild before installing in myA  build, they sent me a brand
   new
      unit in the box to ensure "a positive experience with their
   product".
      At no cost. Not even rebuild cost.
      That being said, do to your experience as well as others stated on
   this
      discussion, I will consider my options carefully going forward.
      Thank you so much
      Cullen.
      On Sep 17, 2016 4:25 PM, <[1]MikeLDrew@aol.com> wrote:
        In a message dated 9/16/16 12 10 0, [2]cmccann1972@gmail.com
   writes:
        Good afternoon!
        Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that
   they
        say is
        Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've
   had
        a
        fantastic experience with them on another performance car
        application.
        [3]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
        >>>I have had a McLeod hyd throw out bearing in my Pantera since
        1993. In 2013, a seal failed and it started drooling fluid. I
   pulled
        the gearbox and removed it, and called McLeod.
        They told me they had performed two design revisions
   (improvements)
        since mine was made, and arranged to take mine in for a rebuild.
        I got it back two weeks later. Besides installing the new
        hydraulics, they went ahead and replaced the actual bearing, even
        though the old one only had 5000 miles or so and was still in fine
        shape. So they essentially gave me an entirely new setup, and
        shipped it back to me...
        For FREE!
        I called them and asked about payment when it arrived and they
   told
        me not to worry about it!A  This despite the fact that the one I
        sent them was TWENTY years old!!!
        Now, I can't guarantee they would treat you exactly the same way,
        but that gives a clear indication about how they feel about their
        customers generally.
        BUT.
        Having said that, knowing what I know now, I would never convert
        from a functioning stock system to an internal throwout bearing.A
        The advantages are minimal, and disadvantages great, not the least
        of which is the high cost.A  From a maintenance perspective, they
        are a nightmare, as whenever the slightly thing goes wrong you
   have
        to pull your gearbox.A  (My Pantera has been all but sidelined for
        the better part of a year due to my own laziness, because when I
        installed my rebuilt unit I stupidly failed to consider that they
        would not respect my precise measurements when they reassembled
   it,
        and thus it was put together with insufficient clearance so that
   as
        the disc wore, now it's slipping).
        If I hadn't already made the conversion, I would never do it.A
        Having done it, and gotten rid of all the (expensive) parts that
   are
        removed when doing so, it is cost-prohibitive to change back, so I
        will just grit my teeth and (someday, maybe Monday) pull it apart
   to
        adjust it properly and then put it back together.
        FWIWa|.
        Mike
   References
      1. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com
      2. mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com
      3. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
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