In a message dated 6/27/16 6:53:23 PM, richard@richardgreenblum.com writes:
Larry is certainly one of the experts, but as I understand it, there were several factory produced US GTS's that did not receive "GT" serial numbers. Mike Drew probably knows the story and numbers.
Not true. There is some confusion over the number of US-market GTS Panteras built, because they were built in two categories--49-state cars and California cars. 98 of the former and 52 of the latter were built, for a total of 150, all of which had "GT" in the serial number.
Not true. There is some confusion over the number of US-market GTS Panteras built, because they were built in two categories--49-state cars and California cars. 98 of the former and 52 of the latter were built, for a total of 150, all of which had "GT" in the serial number. It's perhaps true that some enterprising dealers may have chosen to
It's perhaps true that some enterprising dealers may have chosen to paint an L-model Pantera as a GTS and fit it with the gee-gaws like the flares, etc. but I don't know of any specifically. In any case, such a car wouldn't be considered a true GTS any more than if the dealer chose to put big wheels and flares on it and call it a Group 4 race car. What is true is that the Euro-spec GTS Panteras did not have "GT" in the serial number, but such cars have numerous differences from their US counterparts, and in stock configuration are very easy to distinguish. Mike In a message dated 6/27/16 6:53:23 PM, richard@richardgreenblum.com writes: Larry is certainly one of the experts, but as I understand it, there were several factory produced US GTS's that did not receive "GT" serial numbers. Mike Drew probably knows the story and numbers. paint an L-model Pantera as a GTS and fit it with the gee-gaws like the flares, etc. but I don't know of any specifically. In any case, such a car wouldn't be considered a true GTS any more than if the dealer chose to put big wheels and flares on it and call it a Group 4 race car. What is true is that the Euro-spec GTS Panteras did not have "GT" in the serial number, but such cars have numerous differences from their US counterparts, and in stock configuration are very easy to distinguish. Mike
Not true. There is some confusion over the number of US-market GTS Panteras built, because they were built in two categories--49-state cars and California cars. 98 of the former and 52 of the latter were built, for a total of 150, all of which had "GT" in the serial number. It's perhaps true that some enterprising dealers may have chosen to
I knew Mike would know and I stand corrected. Thanks for clearing that up, Mike. My apologies to Larry for even insinuating he might be wrong. Richard Austin, TX From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: MikeDrew <MikeLDrew@aol.com> Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 at 22:43 To: Richard Greenblum <richard@richardgreenblum.com> Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera Person John Bennett In a message dated 6/27/16 6:53:23 PM, richard@richardgreenblum.com writes: Larry is certainly one of the experts, but as I understand it, there were several factory produced US GTS's that did not receive "GT" serial numbers. Mike Drew probably knows the story and numbers. paint an L-model Pantera as a GTS and fit it with the gee-gaws like the flares, etc. but I don't know of any specifically. In any case, such a car wouldn't be considered a true GTS any more than if the dealer chose to put big wheels and flares on it and call it a Group 4 race car. What is true is that the Euro-spec GTS Panteras did not have "GT" in the serial number, but such cars have numerous differences from their US counterparts, and in stock configuration are very easy to distinguish. Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I knew Mike would know and I stand corrected. Thanks for clearing that up, Mike. My apologies to Larry for even insinuating he might be wrong. Richard Austin, TX From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: MikeDrew <[3]MikeLDrew@aol.com> Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 at 22:43 To: Richard Greenblum <[4]richard@richardgreenblum.com> Cc: <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera Person John Bennett In a message dated 6/27/16 6:53:23 PM, [6]richard@richardgreenblum.com writes: Larry is certainly one of the experts, but as I understand it, there were several factory produced US GTS's that did not receive "GT" serial numbers. Mike Drew probably knows the story and numbers. >>>Not true. There is some confusion over the number of US-market GTS Panteras built, because they were built in two categories--49-state cars and California cars. 98 of the former and 52 of the latter were built, for a total of 150, all of which had "GT" in the serial number. It's perhaps true that some enterprising dealers may have chosen to paint an L-model Pantera as a GTS and fit it with the gee-gaws like the flares, etc. but I don't know of any specifically. In any case, such a car wouldn't be considered a true GTS any more than if the dealer chose to put big wheels and flares on it and call it a Group 4 race car. What is true is that the Euro-spec GTS Panteras did not have "GT" in the serial number, but such cars have numerous differences from their US counterparts, and in stock configuration are very easy to distinguish. Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com 4. mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
Hey I¹m wrong all the time, just ask the wife, but the factory and their numbers are always suspect as to what was really true. Mike and I are just better guessers at this stuff based on all our past mistakes. Larry On 6/28/16, 6:10 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Richard Greenblum" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of Richard@richardgreenblum.com> wrote:
I knew Mike would know and I stand corrected. Thanks for clearing that up, Mike. My apologies to Larry for even insinuating he might be wrong. Richard Austin, TX
From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Reply-To: MikeDrew <[3]MikeLDrew@aol.com> Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 at 22:43 To: Richard Greenblum <[4]richard@richardgreenblum.com> Cc: <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera Person John Bennett
In a message dated 6/27/16 6:53:23 PM, [6]richard@richardgreenblum.com writes: Larry is certainly one of the experts, but as I understand it, there were several factory produced US GTS's that did not receive "GT" serial numbers. Mike Drew probably knows the story and numbers. >>>Not true. There is some confusion over the number of US-market GTS Panteras built, because they were built in two categories--49-state cars and California cars. 98 of the former and 52 of the latter were built, for a total of 150, all of which had "GT" in the serial number. It's perhaps true that some enterprising dealers may have chosen to paint an L-model Pantera as a GTS and fit it with the gee-gaws like the flares, etc. but I don't know of any specifically. In any case, such a car wouldn't be considered a true GTS any more than if the dealer chose to put big wheels and flares on it and call it a Group 4 race car. What is true is that the Euro-spec GTS Panteras did not have "GT" in the serial number, but such cars have numerous differences from their US counterparts, and in stock configuration are very easy to distinguish. Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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Zed: "Uncle Zed . . . ," the boy asked the old mountaineer "how did you get so wise? "Tweren't hard," said the old man, as he patted the boys head, "I jest got good judgment. Good judgment comes from experience, my boy, and . . .well . . . experience, that comes from bad judgment. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:23 AM To: Richard Greenblum <Richard@richardgreenblum.com<mailto:Richard@richardgreenblum.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera Person John Bennett Hey I¹m wrong all the time, just ask the wife, but the factory and their numbers are always suspect as to what was really true. Mike and I are just better guessers at this stuff based on all our past mistakes. Larry On 6/28/16, 6:10 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Richard Greenblum" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Richard@richardgreenblum.com<mailto:Richard@richardgreenblum.com>> wrote: I knew Mike would know and I stand corrected. Thanks for clearing that up, Mike. My apologies to Larry for even insinuating he might be wrong. Richard Austin, TX From: DeTomaso <[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Reply-To: MikeDrew <[3]MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>> Date: Monday, June 27, 2016 at 22:43 To: Richard Greenblum <[4]richard@richardgreenblum.com<mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com>> Cc: <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera Person John Bennett In a message dated 6/27/16 6:53:23 PM, [6]richard@richardgreenblum.com<mailto:richard@richardgreenblum.com> writes: Larry is certainly one of the experts, but as I understand it, there were several factory produced US GTS's that did not receive "GT" serial numbers. Mike Drew probably knows the story and numbers. >>>Not true. There is some confusion over the number of US-market GTS Panteras built, because they were built in two categories--49-state cars and California cars. 98 of the former and 52 of the latter were built, for a total of 150, all of which had "GT" in the serial number. It's perhaps true that some enterprising dealers may have chosen to paint an L-model Pantera as a GTS and fit it with the gee-gaws like the flares, etc. but I don't know of any specifically. In any case, such a car wouldn't be considered a true GTS any more than if the dealer chose to put big wheels and flares on it and call it a Group 4 race car. What is true is that the Euro-spec GTS Panteras did not have "GT" in the serial number, but such cars have numerous differences from their US counterparts, and in stock configuration are very easy to distinguish. Mike _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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Good judgment comes from experience, my boy, and . . .well . . . experience, that comes from bad judgment. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Larry Stock <[3]larrys@panteraparts.com> Date: Tuesday, June 28, 2016 7:23 AM To: Richard Greenblum <[4]Richard@richardgreenblum.com>, "[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] New Pantera Person John Bennett Hey I^1m wrong all the time, just ask the wife, but the factory and their numbers are always suspect as to what was really true. Mike and I are just better guessers at this stuff based on all our past mistakes. 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Mike Drew probably knows the story and numbers. >>>Not true. There is some confusion over the number of US-market GTS Panteras built, because they were built in two categories--49-state cars and California cars. 98 of the former and 52 of the latter were built, for a total of 150, all of which had "GT" in the serial number. It's perhaps true that some enterprising dealers may have chosen to paint an L-model Pantera as a GTS and fit it with the gee-gaws like the flares, etc. but I don't know of any specifically. In any case, such a car wouldn't be considered a true GTS any more than if the dealer chose to put big wheels and flares on it and call it a Group 4 race car. What is true is that the Euro-spec GTS Panteras did not have "GT" in the serial number, but such cars have numerous differences from their US counterparts, and in stock configuration are very easy to distinguish. 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