
Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member.

It may be there is a major change to the site that is being implemented and needed to be taken off-line for a while. I think there was work being done to bring a new registry on-line and that could be it... or not. It's hard to say for sure. We'll have to ask someone from the POCA who admins the web site, to find the answer. Asa Jay Quoting Mark Pinson <mark.pinson@verizon.net>:
Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me?
Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member.
-- Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home ****************************************************** http://www.w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com

It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member.

Message on home page "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected." -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Message on home page "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected." -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Message on home page "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected." -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Ditto. This is truly amazing.... -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: viernes, 22 de julio de 2016 5:31 To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Message on home page "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected." -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

As a relatively new Pantera owner I am still eagerly soaking up all and any information I can get from whatever source I can. POCA sounds like a fun place to hang out, I think I'll give it a miss for a while😜 Michael B ( Southern Counties England) Sent from my iPad
On 22 Jul 2016, at 06:20, Charles McCall <charlesmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
Ditto. This is truly amazing....
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: viernes, 22 de julio de 2016 5:31 To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD.
Julian
________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
Message on home page
"We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected."
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me?
Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member.
_______________________________________________
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POCA has been around for a long time and has been a great organization that has added value to the Ownership experience. For years, they have published a monthly newsletter with helpful technical information. They have published a quarterly magazine, admittedly often less than quarterly, but always good reading. I keep a stack of back issues next to my bed, and like to read a few articles from the past before turning out the light. They organize a national convention which is the largest collection of DeTomasos in the world. A number of local chapters of the national club organize regular events close to home, many on a monthly basis. So it's done a lot of really good things. Living outside the US, like you, some of these benefits are lost, but the publications still made it worth it for me. It's really a shame what is happening now, as only the owners will ultimately suffer by losing an organization that served to enhance the ownership experience. I can only hope that like the Phoenix it will rise from what appears to be a somewhat ashen appearance and be a positive forcé again. Meanwhile, this free e-mail fórum continues to survive and thrive despite turmoil and efforts to kill it, and is a vital part of DeTomaso ownership for me. On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Michael Barnes < michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: > As a relatively new Pantera owner I am still eagerly soaking up all and > any information I can get from whatever source I can. > POCA sounds like a fun place to hang out, I think I'll give it a miss for > a while😜 > Michael B ( Southern Counties England) > > Sent from my iPad > > > On 22 Jul 2016, at 06:20, Charles McCall <charlesmccall@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > Ditto. This is truly amazing.... > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > > Of Julian Kift > > Sent: viernes, 22 de julio de 2016 5:31 > > To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA > > > > I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website > is > > completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD. > > > > > > Julian > > > > ________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > > Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM > > To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA > > > > Message on home page > > > > "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a > > dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. > > All content and data on the website (including your personal > information) is > > secure and protected." > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > > Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM > > To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA > > > > It is not just You. > > I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked > > since my membership expires next week > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > > Of Mark Pinson > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM > > To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA > > > > Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - > is it > > just me? > > > > Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed > 1.5 > > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > > the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve > > the archiving of list messages. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > > the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or > approve > > the archiving of list messages. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > POCA has been around for a long time and has been a great organization that has added value to the Ownership experience. For years, they have published a monthly newsletter with helpful technical information. They have published a quarterly magazine, admittedly often less than quarterly, but always good reading. I keep a stack of back issues next to my bed, and like to read a few articles from the past before turning out the light. They organize a national convention which is the largest collection of DeTomasos in the world. A number of local chapters of the national club organize regular events close to home, many on a monthly basis. So it's done a lot of really good things. Living outside the US, like you, some of these benefits are lost, but the publications still made it worth it for me. It's really a shame what is happening now, as only the owners will ultimately suffer by losing an organization that served to enhance the ownership experience. I can only hope that like the Phoenix it will rise from what appears to be a somewhat ashen appearance and be a positive forcA(c) again. Meanwhile, this free e-mail fA^3rum continues to survive and thrive despite turmoil and efforts to kill it, and is a vital part of DeTomaso ownership for me. On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Michael Barnes <[1]michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> wrote: As a relatively new Pantera owner I am still eagerly soaking up all and any information I can get from whatever source I can. POCA sounds like a fun place to hang out, I think I'll give it a miss for a whiled- Michael B ( Southern Counties England) Sent from my iPad > On 22 Jul 2016, at 06:20, Charles McCall <[2]charlesmccall@gmail.com> wrote: > > Ditto. This is truly amazing.... > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Julian Kift > Sent: viernes, 22 de julio de 2016 5:31 > To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA > > I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is > completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD. > > > Julian > > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[6]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM > To: [7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA > > Message on home page > > "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a > dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. > All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is > secure and protected." > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[8]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM > To: [9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA > > It is not just You. > I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked > since my membership expires next week > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Mark Pinson > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM > To: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA > > Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it > just me? > > Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 > Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [12]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [14]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [15]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use > the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [16]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [17]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk 2. mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 11. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 12. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 14. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 16. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 17. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

Good day to you Michael. I can readily remember when I first got 5332 - 3 years ago. I found there was no single-source that could provide all the tech help I needed. I also found that the information that was out there was well spread out and not trivial to find. With time I found the POCA e-mail forum - the predecessor to this forum. The folks on that forum were extremely helpful in guiding me to the information I needed as I did my resto-mod of our car. Many of these good folks are on this forum. I would list them, but would surely miss one of them, so will simply say they are good folks and thank you. If I had to say what was the most important information source in my efforts to learn - it would have to be this forums predecessor. Second would be Dennis at Pantera Performance. Problem is Dennis is not available 24/7. This forum is. I also have to say that the Provamo site is super handy when you want to find a picture of something. The thing that is perhaps the most frustrating about a forum like this is that some folks just don't get the fact that we are not all out for the same thing. A good example is tracking your car. If you want to track your car - you need to do certain things (or so I have been told). Like having really wide tires. Go for the 245's on the front - though you may lose some turning radius and be doing more 3-point turns, and your car will tramline - but hey, it will corner hard at speed - a big plus on the track. Or definitely use paint remover (DOT4 preferred) in your hydraulic circuits. Both of these suggestions can generate hours of amusing reading on any forum. Because there are trade-offs. Funny, on the brake fluid thing, given I don't plan to track our car, ever, I wanted to use DOT5 (silicone). Racers are loathe to accept this. For me, a no brainer - been 35 since I switched my XKE over - and I haven't had to rebuild the system yet. On a Jag. I used the word funny earlier - because one person who agreed, for my purposes, that DOT5 is ok was Dennis at Pantera Performance. Speaks volumes about Dennis - Yup - he races - has a long history - but he can accept that not everyone wants the same thing he does. He can put himself in the other persons shoes. He listens. Even when he doesn't have time. Regarding the whole board problem. The Short has some great ideas and is a hard worker. But, simply put, I have not found the Short to be amenable to others ideas. It's his way or the highway. I wish him happiness in his journey and am damn glad he does not control this forum, given his killing its predecessor. Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Charles McCall Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 11:59 PM To: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA POCA has been around for a long time and has been a great organization that has added value to the Ownership experience. For years, they have published a monthly newsletter with helpful technical information. They have published a quarterly magazine, admittedly often less than quarterly, but always good reading. I keep a stack of back issues next to my bed, and like to read a few articles from the past before turning out the light. They organize a national convention which is the largest collection of DeTomasos in the world. A number of local chapters of the national club organize regular events close to home, many on a monthly basis. So it's done a lot of really good things. Living outside the US, like you, some of these benefits are lost, but the publications still made it worth it for me. It's really a shame what is happening now, as only the owners will ultimately suffer by losing an organization that served to enhance the ownership experience. I can only hope that like the Phoenix it will rise from what appears to be a somewhat ashen appearance and be a positive forcé again. Meanwhile, this free e-mail fórum continues to survive and thrive despite turmoil and efforts to kill it, and is a vital part of DeTomaso ownership for me. On Fri, Jul 22, 2016 at 8:40 AM, Michael Barnes < michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
As a relatively new Pantera owner I am still eagerly soaking up all and any information I can get from whatever source I can. POCA sounds like a fun place to hang out, I think I'll give it a miss for a while😜 Michael B ( Southern Counties England)
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On 22 Jul 2016, at 06:20, Charles McCall <charlesmccall@gmail.com> wrote:
Ditto. This is truly amazing....
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: viernes, 22 de julio de 2016 5:31 To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD.
Julian
________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
Message on home page
"We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected."
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me?
Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member.
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Who would you guess pulled the plug? IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Charles McCall [mailto:charlesmccall@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 1:20 AM To: 'Julian Kift'; 'Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.'; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Ditto. This is truly amazing.... -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: viernes, 22 de julio de 2016 5:31 To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Message on home page "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected." -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

If this was Facebook I would be liking Julian's post On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
Message on home page "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected." -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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If this was Facebook I would be liking Julian's post On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: A A I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website A A is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD. A A Julian A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of A A Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[3]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> A A Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM A A To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA A A Message on home page A A "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while A A a A A dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. A A All content and data on the website (including your personal A A information) is A A secure and protected." A A -----Original Message----- A A From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On A A Behalf A A Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. A A Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM A A To: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA A A It is not just You. A A I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been A A blocked A A since my membership expires next week A A -----Original Message----- A A From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:[7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On A A Behalf A A Of Mark Pinson A A Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM A A To: [8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA A A Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - A A is it A A just me? A A Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not A A exceed 1.5 A A Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A [3][10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use A A the links above. A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A list. A A They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or A A approve A A the archiving of list messages. A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [11]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A [4][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive A A or approve the archiving of list messages. References A A 1. mailto:[13]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com A A 2. mailto:[14]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com A A 3. [15]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A 4. [16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso References 1. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com 2. javascript:; 3. javascript:; 4. javascript:; 5. javascript:; 6. javascript:; 7. javascript:; 8. javascript:; 9. javascript:; 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 11. javascript:; 12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 13. javascript:; 14. javascript:; 15. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

It is very sad. In a perfect world, people would talk to each other calmly, apologize when appropriate, and work out a compromise agreeing to disagree when necessary. Eventually this will all blow over, but in the meantime it's painful, especially when I really enjoy all the members of POCA I know. Sure, I don't agree with everyone, but I appreciate hearing different perspectives and opinions. The key is to be kind. Sincerely, Chris From: robpink2012@gmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:35:52 -0500 To: julian_kift@hotmail.com CC: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA If this was Facebook I would be liking Julian's post On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
Message on home page "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected." -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. It is very sad. In a perfect world, people would talk to each other calmly, apologize when appropriate, and work out a compromise agreeing to disagree when necessary. Eventually this will all blow over, but in the meantime it's painful, especially when I really enjoy all the members of POCA I know. Sure, I don't agree with everyone, but I appreciate hearing different perspectives and opinions. The key is to be kind. Sincerely, Chris From: robpink2012@gmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:35:52 -0500 To: julian_kift@hotmail.com CC: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA If this was Facebook I would be liking Julian's post On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA
Message on home page "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected." -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[2]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> [3][1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> [4][2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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The world will never be perfect. That is why there is something called a "vote of no confidence" built into most organizations to curtail abuses of power. Just sayin... Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball@msn.com> wrote:
It is very sad. In a perfect world ..."
The world will never be perfect. That is why there is something called a "vote of no confidence" built into most organizations to curtail abuses of power. A Just sayin... Christopher Kimball <[1]chrisvkimball@msn.com> wrote: A A It is very sad.A In a perfect world ..." References 1. mailto:chrisvkimball@msn.com

If we practiced placing principles above personalities, we would actually be a car club that sets a good example instead of being one that is a BAD example. Bruce
On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball@msn.com> wrote:
It is very sad. In a perfect world, people would talk to each other calmly, apologize when appropriate, and work out a compromise agreeing to disagree when necessary. Eventually this will all blow over, but in the meantime it's painful, especially when I really enjoy all the members of POCA I know. Sure, I don't agree with everyone, but I appreciate hearing different perspectives and opinions. The key is to be kind. Sincerely, Chris From: robpink2012@gmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:35:52 -0500 To: julian_kift@hotmail.com CC: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA If this was Facebook I would be liking Julian's post
On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
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If we practiced placing principles above personalities, we would actually be a car club that sets a good example instead of being one that is a BAD example. Bruce On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Christopher Kimball <[1]chrisvkimball@msn.com> wrote: It is very sad. In a perfect world, people would talk to each other calmly, apologize when appropriate, and work out a compromise agreeing to disagree when necessary. Eventually this will all blow over, but in the meantime it's painful, especially when I really enjoy all the members of POCA I know. Sure, I don't agree with everyone, but I appreciate hearing different perspectives and opinions. The key is to be kind. Sincerely, Chris From: [2]robpink2012@gmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:35:52 -0500 To: [3]julian_kift@hotmail.com CC: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA If this was Facebook I would be liking Julian's post On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD. Julian ________________________________________________________________ __ From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[7]byrdjf@embarqmail.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: [8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Message on home page "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. 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I have been a sometimes member of POCA and have not always been ecstatic regarding what POCA provides to members, but what bothers me is the lack of respect for the contributions of others. Several folks have spent years supporting the community, and even if you disagree with their ideas, they still deserve respect for their contributions, without which, there would be no POCA. Ken From: Hp <iamhp005@gmail.com> To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball@msn.com> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA  If we practiced placing principles above personalities, we would  actually be a car club that sets a good example instead of being one  that is a BAD example.  Bruce  On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Christopher Kimball  <[1]chrisvkimball@msn.com> wrote:   It is very sad. In a perfect world, people would talk to each other   calmly, apologize when appropriate, and work out a compromise  agreeing   to disagree when necessary.   Eventually this will all blow over, but in the meantime it's painful,   especially when I really enjoy all the members of POCA I know. Sure,  I   don't agree with everyone, but I appreciate hearing different   perspectives and opinions. The key is to be kind.   Sincerely,   Chris   From: [2]robpink2012@gmail.com   Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:35:52 -0500   To: [3]julian_kift@hotmail.com   CC: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA  If this was Facebook I would be liking Julian's post  On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift@hotmail.com>  wrote:    I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club   website    is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD.    Julian     ________________________________________________________________   __    From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com   <javascript:;>>   on behalf of    Joseph F. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I have been a sometimes member of POCA and have not always been ecstatic regarding what POCA provides to members, but what bothers me is the lack of respect for the contributions of others. Several folks have spent years supporting the community, and even if you disagree with their ideas, they still deserve respect for their contributions, without which, there would be no POCA. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Hp <iamhp005@gmail.com> To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball@msn.com> Cc: Pantera Owners Club of America <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:14 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA If we practiced placing principles above personalities, we would actually be a car club that sets a good example instead of being one that is a BAD example. Bruce On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:45 AM, Christopher Kimball <[1][1]chrisvkimball@msn.com> wrote: It is very sad. In a perfect world, people would talk to each other calmly, apologize when appropriate, and work out a compromise agreeing to disagree when necessary. Eventually this will all blow over, but in the meantime it's painful, especially when I really enjoy all the members of POCA I know. Sure, I don't agree with everyone, but I appreciate hearing different perspectives and opinions. The key is to be kind. Sincerely, Chris From: [2][2]robpink2012@gmail.com Date: Fri, 22 Jul 2016 11:35:52 -0500 To: [3][3]julian_kift@hotmail.com CC: [4][4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA If this was Facebook I would be liking Julian's post On Thursday, July 21, 2016, Julian Kift <[5][5]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: I am lost for appropriate words, what a sad day when a car club website is completely shutdown due to a dispute within the elected BOD. Julian ________________________________________________________________ __ From: DeTomaso <[6][6]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>> on behalf of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[7][7]byrdjf@embarqmail.com <javascript:;>> Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 7:48 PM To: [8][8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Message on home page "We regret to inform you that the website is temporarily offline while a dispute within the POCA Board of Directors is resolved. All content and data on the website (including your personal information) is secure and protected." -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[1][9]mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:59 PM To: [10][10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA It is not just You. I was about to ask the same question, thinking I might have been blocked since my membership expires next week -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[2][11]mailto:[11]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;>] On Behalf Of Mark Pinson Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2016 19:01 PM To: [12][12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC Something is up at POCA Now I get a message "Website is not active" and "Website is offline" - is it just me? Glad I'm not an advertiser, but sorry I'm a member. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [13][13]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com <javascript:;> [3][1][14][14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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participants (13)
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Asa Jay Laughton
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Charles McCall
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Christopher Kimball
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Dave
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Hp
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Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.
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Julian Kift
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Ken Green
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Mark Pinson
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Michael Barnes
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Rob Dumoulin
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Robert Pink
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Stephen