Re: [DeTomaso] Anybody know why the POCA general meeting last night did not occur?
He should have used PST, because Joe lives in AZ where they have no DST. At the moment AZ time and CA time are the same. Sorry It lasted until 7.58, but it was a great meeting, it was so much less tense. In a nutshell. Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes, keeping finances and BOD meetings open, etc. Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP position Board appointments: Les is Past President Mike H is Profiles Jack D is Newsletter Josette is Store manager (non-board) Talked about the store and the website Talked about banning MS for life. Ed On Aug 11, 2016, at 08:02 AM, Rob Dumoulin <rob@dumoulins.net> wrote: The attachment stated 7 PM MST. Does that not equate to 9 PM EST? On Aug 11, 2016 10:57 AM, "Vinh Ly" <[1]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com> wrote: Rob, I was able to call in at 10pm EST and listened in until about 10:45pm Vinh #7445 Euro GTS On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Rob Dumoulin <[2]rob@dumoulins.net> wrote: A A Leader never activated the line. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes, keeping finances and BOD meetings open, etc. Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP position Board appointments: Les is Past President Mike H is Profiles Jack D is Newsletter Josette is Store manager (non-board) Talked about the store and the website Talked about banning MS for life. Ed On Aug 11, 2016, at 08:02 AM, Rob Dumoulin <rob@dumoulins.net> wrote: The attachment stated 7 PM MST. Does that not equate to 9 PM EST? On Aug 11, 2016 10:57 AM, "Vinh Ly" <[1]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com> wrote: Rob, I was able to call in at 10pm EST and listened in until about 10:45pm Vinh #7445 Euro GTS On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Rob Dumoulin <[2]rob@dumoulins.net> wrote: A A Leader never activated the line. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [4][1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com 2. mailto:rob@dumoulins.net 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. 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First of all, i don't like the actions MS did ! But banning MS for life? Isn't banning for life a relict from the dark age? What about his supporters? Send them out with a sign "I'm guilty" ? MS was voted by many for his promisises making Poca great again ( didn't i hear this very often lataly) What about his voters? Are they ashamed, for what he has done? No ! I haven't heard of one ! Roland
Am 11.08.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com>:
He should have used PST, because Joe lives in AZ where they have no DST. At the moment AZ time and CA time are the same.
Sorry
It lasted until 7.58, but it was a great meeting, it was so much less tense. In a nutshell. Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes, keeping finances and BOD meetings open, etc. Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP position Board appointments: Les is Past President Mike H is Profiles Jack D is Newsletter Josette is Store manager (non-board) Talked about the store and the website Talked about banning MS for life. Ed
On Aug 11, 2016, at 08:02 AM, Rob Dumoulin <rob@dumoulins.net> wrote:
The attachment stated 7 PM MST. Does that not equate to 9 PM EST? On Aug 11, 2016 10:57 AM, "Vinh Ly" <[1]vinh.d.ly@gmail.com> wrote: Rob, I was able to call in at 10pm EST and listened in until about 10:45pm Vinh #7445 Euro GTS On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 10:38 AM, Rob Dumoulin <[2]rob@dumoulins.net> wrote: A A Leader never activated the line. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [4][1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:vinh.d.ly@gmail.com 2. mailto:rob@dumoulins.net 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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Roland, since even before MS was elected, he has been threatening members with lawsuits apparently as a form of intimidation. His recent comments directly state he intends to destroy POCA as an organization, I assume for his own pleasure or personal gain. I was not present on the call and did not hear the context of such a ban, but if any one person's actions were to not warrant such an outcome of being banned, what other behavior would have to take place before it would reach that level? That is an open question for everybody to decide personally. Is it more civil to degrade and intimidate in order to get others to quit or to set standards for expected behavior and let those standards apply to all members? The third option is to allow toxic behavior to fracture the club which is what has been happening the past 7 months. MS added me to his list of people to sue along the way as I was called a "Backstabbing Motherf$!@er". I can live with those petty threats, I just choose not to. Setting standards of decency that do not allow bullying and threats seems like a good idea to me, but I am just one opinion. On Aug 12, 2016 3:59 AM, "Roland" <willibillie@live.de> wrote:
First of all, i don't like the actions MS did ! But banning MS for life? Isn't banning for life a relict from the dark
age? What about his supporters? Send them out with a sign "I'm guilty" ? MS was voted by many for his promisises making Poca great again ( didn't i hear this very often lataly) What about his voters? Are they ashamed, for what he has done? No ! I haven't heard of one !
Roland
Am 11.08.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com>:
He should have used PST, because Joe lives in AZ where they have no DST. At the moment AZ time and CA time are the same.
Sorry
It lasted until 7.58, but it was a great meeting, it was so much less tense. In a nutshell. Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes, keeping finances and BOD meetings open, etc. Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP position Board appointments: Les is Past President Mike H is Profiles Jack D is Newsletter Josette is Store manager (non-board) Talked about the store and the website Talked about banning MS for life. Ed
Roland, since even before MS was elected, he has been threatening members with lawsuits apparently as a form of intimidation. His recentA comments directly state he intends to destroy POCA as an organization, I assume for his own pleasure or personal gain. I was not present on the call and did not hear the context of such a ban, but if any one person's actions were to not warrant such an outcome of being banned, what other behavior would have to take place before it would reach that level? That is an open question for everybody to decide personally. Is it more civil to degrade and intimidate in order to get others to quit or to set standards for expected behavior and let those standards apply to all members? The third option is to allow toxic behavior to fracture the club which is what has been happening the past 7 months. MS added me to his list of people to sueA along the way as I was called a "Backstabbing Motherf$!@er". I can live with those petty threats, I just choose not to.A Setting standards of decency that do not allow bullying and threats seems like a good idea to me, but I am just one opinion. On Aug 12, 2016 3:59 AM, "Roland" <[1]willibillie@live.de> wrote:
First of all, i don't like the actions MS did ! But banning MS for life? Isn't banning for life a relict from the
dark age? What about his supporters? Send them out with a sign "I'm guilty" ? MS was voted by many for his promisises making Poca great again ( didn't i hear this very often lataly) What about his voters? Are they ashamed, for what he has done? No ! I haven't heard of one !
Roland
Am 11.08.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Mendez <[2]edducati@mac.com>:
A A He should have used PST, because Joe lives in AZ where they
A A DST. At the moment AZ time and CA time are the same.
A A Sorry
A A It lasted until 7.58, but it was a great meeting, it was so much less A A tense. A A In a nutshell. A A Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be A A returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes, keeping A A finances and BOD meetings open, etc. A A Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP
have no position
A A Board appointments: A A Les is Past President A A Mike H is Profiles A A Jack D is Newsletter A A Josette is Store manager (non-board) A A Talked about the store and the website A A Talked about banning MS for life. A A Ed
References 1. mailto:willibillie@live.de 2. mailto:edducati@mac.com
I think a ban is the sign of a healthy club. It¹s no different than having a bouncer throw someone out of a club when they cause problems. I don¹t know about the ³for life² part, though. The ban should be written into the bylaws. It should include the conditions, a BOD vote, a term - like banned for X years, and maybe banned from elections for X years vs. banned as a member. On 8/12/16, 7:12 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Rob Dumoulin" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of rob@dumoulins.net> wrote:
Roland, since even before MS was elected, he has been threatening members with lawsuits apparently as a form of intimidation. His recentA comments directly state he intends to destroy POCA as an organization, I assume for his own pleasure or personal gain. I was not present on the call and did not hear the context of such a ban, but if any one person's actions were to not warrant such an outcome of being banned, what other behavior would have to take place before it would reach that level? That is an open question for everybody to decide personally.
Is it more civil to degrade and intimidate in order to get others to quit or to set standards for expected behavior and let those standards apply to all members? The third option is to allow toxic behavior to fracture the club which is what has been happening the past 7 months.
MS added me to his list of people to sueA along the way as I was called a "Backstabbing Motherf$!@er". I can live with those petty threats, I just choose not to.A Setting standards of decency that do not allow bullying and threats seems like a good idea to me, but I am just one opinion.
On Aug 12, 2016 3:59 AM, "Roland" <[1]willibillie@live.de> wrote:
First of all, i don't like the actions MS did ! But banning MS for life? Isn't banning for life a relict from the
dark age? What about his supporters? Send them out with a sign "I'm guilty" ? MS was voted by many for his promisises making Poca great again ( didn't i hear this very often lataly) What about his voters? Are they ashamed, for what he has done? No ! I haven't heard of one !
Roland
Am 11.08.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Mendez <[2]edducati@mac.com>:
A A He should have used PST, because Joe lives in AZ where they
A A DST. At the moment AZ time and CA time are the same.
A A Sorry
A A It lasted until 7.58, but it was a great meeting, it was so much less A A tense. A A In a nutshell. A A Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be A A returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes, keeping A A finances and BOD meetings open, etc. A A Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP
have no position
A A Board appointments: A A Les is Past President A A Mike H is Profiles A A Jack D is Newsletter A A Josette is Store manager (non-board) A A Talked about the store and the website A A Talked about banning MS for life. A A Ed
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1. mailto:willibillie@live.de 2. mailto:edducati@mac.com _______________________________________________
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Every club/forum has its dose of turds - That's the way it is. Some are worth putting up with - because of their positive contributions. But, at some point there has to be a limit to the crudity and abuse. The shortt went way past what should be acceptable. I agree that the Board should have discretion to ban such a person for life. Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Rob Dumoulin Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:12 AM To: Roland <willibillie@live.de>; Pantera Mail List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anybody know why the POCA general meeting last night did not occur? Roland, since even before MS was elected, he has been threatening members with lawsuits apparently as a form of intimidation. His recent comments directly state he intends to destroy POCA as an organization, I assume for his own pleasure or personal gain. I was not present on the call and did not hear the context of such a ban, but if any one person's actions were to not warrant such an outcome of being banned, what other behavior would have to take place before it would reach that level? That is an open question for everybody to decide personally. Is it more civil to degrade and intimidate in order to get others to quit or to set standards for expected behavior and let those standards apply to all members? The third option is to allow toxic behavior to fracture the club which is what has been happening the past 7 months. MS added me to his list of people to sue along the way as I was called a "Backstabbing Motherf$!@er". I can live with those petty threats, I just choose not to. Setting standards of decency that do not allow bullying and threats seems like a good idea to me, but I am just one opinion. On Aug 12, 2016 3:59 AM, "Roland" <willibillie@live.de> wrote:
First of all, i don't like the actions MS did ! But banning MS for life? Isn't banning for life a relict from the dark
age? What about his supporters? Send them out with a sign "I'm guilty" ? MS was voted by many for his promisises making Poca great again ( didn't i hear this very often lataly) What about his voters? Are they ashamed, for what he has done? No ! I haven't heard of one !
Roland
Am 11.08.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com>:
He should have used PST, because Joe lives in AZ where they have no DST. At the moment AZ time and CA time are the same.
Sorry
It lasted until 7.58, but it was a great meeting, it was so much less tense. In a nutshell. Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes, keeping finances and BOD meetings open, etc. Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP position Board appointments: Les is Past President Mike H is Profiles Jack D is Newsletter Josette is Store manager (non-board) Talked about the store and the website Talked about banning MS for life. Ed
I totally agree Rob . Very well stated . ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <rob@dumoulins.net> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:12 AM To: Roland; Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anybody know why the POCA general meeting last night did not occur? Roland, since even before MS was elected, he has been threatening members with lawsuits apparently as a form of intimidation. His recent comments directly state he intends to destroy POCA as an organization, I assume for his own pleasure or personal gain. I was not present on the call and did not hear the context of such a ban, but if any one person's actions were to not warrant such an outcome of being banned, what other behavior would have to take place before it would reach that level? That is an open question for everybody to decide personally. Is it more civil to degrade and intimidate in order to get others to quit or to set standards for expected behavior and let those standards apply to all members? The third option is to allow toxic behavior to fracture the club which is what has been happening the past 7 months. MS added me to his list of people to sue along the way as I was called a "Backstabbing Motherf$!@er". I can live with those petty threats, I just choose not to. Setting standards of decency that do not allow bullying and threats seems like a good idea to me, but I am just one opinion. On Aug 12, 2016 3:59 AM, "Roland" <willibillie@live.de> wrote:
First of all, i don't like the actions MS did ! But banning MS for life? Isn't banning for life a relict from the dark
age? What about his supporters? Send them out with a sign "I'm guilty" ? MS was voted by many for his promisises making Poca great again ( didn't i hear this very often lataly) What about his voters? Are they ashamed, for what he has done? No ! I haven't heard of one !
Roland
Am 11.08.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com>:
He should have used PST, because Joe lives in AZ where they have no DST. At the moment AZ time and CA time are the same.
Sorry
It lasted until 7.58, but it was a great meeting, it was so much less tense. In a nutshell. Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes, keeping finances and BOD meetings open, etc. Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP position Board appointments: Les is Past President Mike H is Profiles Jack D is Newsletter Josette is Store manager (non-board) Talked about the store and the website Talked about banning MS for life. Ed
I totally agree Rob . Very well stated . __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Rob Dumoulin <rob@dumoulins.net> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 4:12 AM To: Roland; Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Anybody know why the POCA general meeting last night did not occur? Roland, since even before MS was elected, he has been threatening members with lawsuits apparently as a form of intimidation. His recent comments directly state he intends to destroy POCA as an organization, I assume for his own pleasure or personal gain. I was not present on the call and did not hear the context of such a ban, but if any one person's actions were to not warrant such an outcome of being banned, what other behavior would have to take place before it would reach that level? That is an open question for everybody to decide personally. Is it more civil to degrade and intimidate in order to get others to quit or to set standards for expected behavior and let those standards apply to all members? The third option is to allow toxic behavior to fracture the club which is what has been happening the past 7 months. MS added me to his list of people to sue along the way as I was called a "Backstabbing Motherf$!@er". I can live with those petty threats, I just choose not to. Setting standards of decency that do not allow bullying and threats seems like a good idea to me, but I am just one opinion. On Aug 12, 2016 3:59 AM, "Roland" <willibillie@live.de> wrote:
First of all, i don't like the actions MS did ! But banning MS for life? Isn't banning for life a relict from the
dark age? What about his supporters? Send them out with a sign "I'm guilty" ? MS was voted by many for his promisises making Poca great again ( didn't i hear this very often lataly) What about his voters? Are they ashamed, for what he has done? No ! I haven't heard of one !
Roland
Am 11.08.2016 um 22:42 schrieb Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com>:
He should have used PST, because Joe lives in AZ where they have
no
DST. At the moment AZ time and CA time are the same.
Sorry
It lasted until 7.58, but it was a great meeting, it was so much less tense. In a nutshell. Bob publicly announced and made a commitment that we will not be returning to pre-2016 BOD ways, keeping all the MS changes, keeping finances and BOD meetings open, etc. Waiting 1 week on Mike Burnett for a decision on his VP position Board appointments: Les is Past President Mike H is Profiles Jack D is Newsletter Josette is Store manager (non-board) Talked about the store and the website Talked about banning MS for life. Ed
One issue with not banning for life, is that a soon-to-be x-member would still have access to club data, (like a roster), e-mail addresses (to poach members) and the website and 'forum'(to harass and intimidate with hate speech). As MS has publically stated he will destroy POCA, and stated he has created a competing club it would be more than necessary to remove him from any and all access to anything related to POCA. Apparently his last survey was sent to a list of people that may have still unknowingly supported him, but I suspect that e-mail list came from data he had access to, while POCA Prez. With the recent announcements from POCA (Big thanks to Ed Mendez, POCA PR) regarding BOD officers and re-filled positions, I see GREAT progress! The BOD is even adopting what good ideas came from this disaster, which is professional and cool-headed thinking. Now THAT is Progressive. Chuck
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