Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I support the POCA Board of Directors.
On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga@gmail.com> wrote:
My Fellow POCA Members,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within your club which has resulted in the suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be brief.
This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each year
and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
and member recruitment has ever been a priority. If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, it just means that you
basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older community church).
That is what POCA had, and a membership with over 60 % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and was told that I would never
get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil Mares have
beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was disabled to
make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and designed after asking for help form these same people and none volunteered ), they went out
with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be apart of and it's primary
purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club while I have been President
except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No worries,
as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to professional haters,
a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of begging showed 808
POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired that number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and those not paying dues.
As of yesterday, that number is now 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have added over 100 NEW members.
A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was finally able to get the BOD
to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL COLOR printing would cost.
It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but the result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an expanded store (revenue producing )was not
what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was 17% more than all of our dues.
The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained $1,600,
I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were truly none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
contributing nothing positive to the club.
WHY The website is down
over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to create a better POCA Membership Experience,
value added if you will, for each of you.
S so they changed focus and begin attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly could not have
done anything with their support.
Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a degree, the following has occurred.
Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, bylaws, etc.
they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have started acoup to take over the club.
The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect the content of the website learned of this, thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing it , erasing everything that I have built.
As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside ourselves at this turn of events.
The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is to disable the communications.
You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one question.
Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's and into the 21st century?
or
Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of this very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
* It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 member Chapter leave POCA last month and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
New POCA store items,and other expenses)
I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at the actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
Thank you,
Michael Shortt
STILL President
POCA -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [4]michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390
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Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey?????? BillCalgary Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Scott Mead Photography <scott@scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Gpd4' <gpd4@juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <scottcouchman@yahoo.com> Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <michaelsavga@gmail.com>, detomaso@detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <mbglobalsc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on the original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Gpd4 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM To: Scott Couchman Cc: Michael Shortt; detomaso@detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) How will this survey be received? GPD4 Sent from my iPhone the links above.
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On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I support the POCA Board of Directors.
On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga@gmail.com> wrote:
My Fellow POCA Members,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within your club which has resulted in the suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be brief.
This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each year
and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
and member recruitment has ever been a priority. If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, it just means that you
basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older community church).
That is what POCA had, and a membership with over 60 % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and was told that I would never
get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil Mares have
beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was disabled to
make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and designed after asking for help form these same people and none volunteered ), they went out
with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be apart of and it's primary
purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club while I have been President
except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No worries,
as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to professional haters,
a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of begging showed 808
POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired
number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and those not paying dues.
As of yesterday, that number is now 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have added over 100 NEW members.
A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was finally able to get the BOD
to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL COLOR printing would cost.
It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but
result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an expanded store (revenue producing )was not
what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was 17% more than all of our dues.
The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained $1,600,
I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were
none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
contributing nothing positive to the club.
WHY The website is down
over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to create a better POCA Membership Experience,
value added if you will, for each of you.
S so they changed focus and begin attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly could not have
done anything with their support.
Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a degree, the following has occurred.
Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, bylaws, etc.
they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have started acoup to take over the club.
The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect the content of the website learned of this, thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing it , erasing everything that I have built.
As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside ourselves at this turn of events.
The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is to disable the communications.
You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one question.
Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's and into the 21st century?
or
Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of
very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
* It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 member Chapter leave POCA last month and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
New POCA store items,and other expenses)
I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at
actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
Thank you,
Michael Shortt
STILL President
POCA -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [4]michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390
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you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
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You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! Julian
On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "bill@incendium.com" <bill@incendium.com> wrote:
Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey??????
Bill
Calgary
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I support the POCA Board of Directors.
On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga@gmail.com> wrote:
My Fellow POCA Members,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within your club which has resulted in the suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be brief.
This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each year
and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
and member recruitment has ever been a priority. If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, it just means that you
basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older community church).
That is what POCA had, and a membership with over 60 % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and was told that I would never
get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil Mares have
beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was disabled to
make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and designed after asking for help form these same people and none volunteered ), they went out
with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be apart of and it's primary
purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club while I have been President
except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No worries,
as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to professional haters,
a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of begging showed 808
POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired
number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and those not paying dues.
As of yesterday, that number is now 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have added over 100 NEW members.
A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was finally able to get the BOD
to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL COLOR printing would cost.
It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but
result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an expanded store (revenue producing )was not
what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was 17% more than all of our dues.
The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained $1,600,
I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were
none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
contributing nothing positive to the club.
WHY The website is down
over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to create a better POCA Membership Experience,
value added if you will, for each of you.
S so they changed focus and begin attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly could not have
done anything with their support.
Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a degree, the following has occurred.
Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, bylaws, etc.
they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have started acoup to take over the club.
The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect the content of the website learned of this, thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing it , erasing everything that I have built.
As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside ourselves at this turn of events.
The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is to disable the communications.
You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one question.
Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's and into the 21st century?
or
Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of
very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
* It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 member Chapter leave POCA last month and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
New POCA store items,and other expenses)
I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at
actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
Thank you,
Michael Shortt
STILL President
POCA -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [4]michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390
This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender
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This is all beyond bizarre Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: bill <bill@incendium.com> Cc: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga@gmail.com>; Mike Burnett <mbglobalsc@aol.com>; Gpd4 <gpd4@juno.com>; De Tomaso List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! Julian
On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "bill@incendium.com" <bill@incendium.com> wrote:
Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey??????
Bill
Calgary
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On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I support the POCA Board of Directors.
On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga@gmail.com> wrote:
My Fellow POCA Members,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within your club which has resulted in the suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be brief.
This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each year
and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
and member recruitment has ever been a priority. If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, it just means that you
basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older community church).
That is what POCA had, and a membership with over 60 % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and was told that I would never
get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil Mares have
beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was disabled to
make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and designed after asking for help form these same people and none volunteered ), they went out
with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be apart of and it's primary
purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club while I have been President
except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No worries,
as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to professional haters,
a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of begging showed 808
POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired
number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and those not paying dues.
As of yesterday, that number is now 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have added over 100 NEW members.
A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was finally able to get the BOD
to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL COLOR printing would cost.
It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but
result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an expanded store (revenue producing )was not
what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was 17% more than all of our dues.
The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained $1,600,
I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were
none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
contributing nothing positive to the club.
WHY The website is down
over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to create a better POCA Membership Experience,
value added if you will, for each of you.
S so they changed focus and begin attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly could not have
done anything with their support.
Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a degree, the following has occurred.
Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, bylaws, etc.
they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have started acoup to take over the club.
The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect the content of the website learned of this, thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing it , erasing everything that I have built.
As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside ourselves at this turn of events.
The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is to disable the communications.
You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one question.
Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's and into the 21st century?
or
Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of
very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
* It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 member Chapter leave POCA last month and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
New POCA store items,and other expenses)
I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at
actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
Thank you,
Michael Shortt
STILL President
POCA -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [4]michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390
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It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on the original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Gpd4 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM To: Scott Couchman Cc: Michael Shortt; detomaso@detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) How will this survey be received? GPD4 Sent from my iPhone that the truly this the that the links above.
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On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1]bill@incendium.com" <[2]bill@incendium.com> wrote:
Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey??????
Bill
Calgary
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <[3]scott@scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Gpd4' <[4]gpd4@juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <[5]scottcouchman@yahoo.com> Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <[6]michaelsavga@gmail.com>, [7]detomaso@detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <[8]mbglobalsc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I support the POCA Board of Directors.
On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1][12]michaelsavga@gmail.com> wrote:
My Fellow POCA Members,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within your club which has resulted in the suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be brief.
This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each year
and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
and member recruitment has ever been a priority. If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, it just means that you
basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older community church).
That is what POCA had, and a membership with over 60 % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and was told that I would never
get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil Mares have
beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was disabled to
make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and designed after asking for help form these same people and none volunteered ), they went out
with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be apart of and it's primary
purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club while I have been President
except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No worries,
as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to professional haters,
a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of begging showed 808
POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired
number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and those not paying dues.
As of yesterday, that number is now 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have added over 100 NEW members.
A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was finally able to get the BOD
to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL COLOR printing would cost.
It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but
result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an expanded store (revenue producing )was not
what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was 17% more than all of our dues.
The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained $1,600,
I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were
none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
contributing nothing positive to the club.
WHY The website is down
over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to create a better POCA Membership Experience,
value added if you will, for each of you.
S so they changed focus and begin attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly could not have
done anything with their support.
Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a degree, the following has occurred.
Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, bylaws, etc.
they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have started acoup to take over the club.
The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect the content of the website learned of this, thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing it , erasing everything that I have built.
As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside ourselves at this turn of events.
The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is to disable the communications.
You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one question.
Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's and into the 21st century?
or
Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of
very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
* It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 member Chapter leave POCA last month and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
New POCA store items,and other expenses)
I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at
actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
Thank you,
Michael Shortt
STILL President
POCA -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [4][13]michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390
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you have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you
References
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It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on the original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Gpd4 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM To: Scott Couchman Cc: Michael Shortt; [10]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) How will this survey be received? GPD4 Sent from my iPhone that the truly this the that the links above.
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Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. This is all beyond bizarre Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: bill <bill@incendium.com> Cc: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga@gmail.com>; Mike Burnett <mbglobalsc@aol.com>; Gpd4 <gpd4@juno.com>; De Tomaso List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! Julian list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [26]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:bill@incendium.com 2. mailto:bill@incendium.com 3. mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com 4. mailto:gpd4@juno.com 5. mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com 6. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 8. mailto:mbglobalsc@aol.com 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com? 10. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 11. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 12. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com 13. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com 14. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com? 15. http://poca.com/ 16. http://poca.com/ 17. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com? 18. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 20. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 22. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 24. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 26. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 27. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
All of this would be pretty funny if so many people had not been thrown under the bus. Someone should contact a documentary producer to make a film about "Clubs Go Wrong". Kinda like the Marx Brothers "Duck Soup". Ken From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; michaelsavga@gmail.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) This is all beyond bizarre Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: bill <bill@incendium.com> Cc: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga@gmail.com>; Mike Burnett <mbglobalsc@aol.com>; Gpd4 <gpd4@juno.com>; De Tomaso List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! Julian > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1]bill@incendium.com" <[2]bill@incendium.com> wrote: > > Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey?????? > > Bill > > Calgary > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Scott Mead Photography <[3]scott@scottmeadphotography.com> > Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: 'Gpd4' <[4]gpd4@juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <[5]scottcouchman@yahoo.com> > Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <[6]michaelsavga@gmail.com>, > [7]detomaso@detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <[8]mbglobalsc@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on > the > original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I > understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Gpd4 > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM > To: Scott Couchman > Cc: Michael Shortt; [10]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > How will this survey be received? > GPD4 > Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso >> <[11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >> I support the POCA Board of Directors. >> >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt > <[1][12]michaelsavga@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> My Fellow POCA Members, >> >> It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties > within >> your club which has resulted in the >> suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website. >> >> Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks >> since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st. >> >> It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged > by a >> small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them >> >> below, but first a little history so that you know where my > motivation >> comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be >> brief. >> >> This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 > member >> range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each >> year >> >> and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over > 150 >> members. Growth has never been possible because member retention >> >> and member recruitment has ever been a priority. >> If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not > required, >> it just means that you >> >> basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older >> community church). >> >> That is what POCA had, and a membership with over >> 60 >> % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70. >> >> Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than > it >> take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade. >> >> I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could >> make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items > and >> was told that I would never >> >> get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in > 5 >> months with the then current support of a progressive BOD. >> >> Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) > Rob >> D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently > Gil >> Mares have >> >> beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical > BS >> and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was >> disabled to >> >> make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and >> designed after asking for help form these same people and none >> volunteered ), they went out >> >> with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most > vile >> and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be >> apart of and it's primary >> >> purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension > within >> POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the > club >> while I have been President >> >> except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No >> worries, >> >> as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used > to >> professional haters, >> >> a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. >> The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of >> begging showed 808 >> >> POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired > that >> number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members. >> >> This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead > and >> those not paying dues. >> >> As of yesterday, that number is now >> 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have >> added over 100 NEW members. >> >> A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke > as >> Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was >> finally able to get the BOD >> >> to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 >> years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL >> COLOR printing would cost. >> >> It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but > the >> result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working. >> >> Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of >> service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an >> expanded store (revenue producing )was not >> >> what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as >> required. I understand and it was a nice parting. >> >> Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone > was >> 17% more than all of our dues. >> >> The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on >> booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained >> $1,600, >> >> I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there >> have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and >> different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years. >> >> That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most >> recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride >> Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate >> >> ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, >> usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely > to >> gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda >> >> here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still > can >> have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were > truly >> none of their business, all while recruiting no members and >> >> contributing nothing positive to the club. >> >> WHY The website is down >> >> over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune > to >> their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to >> create a better POCA Membership Experience, >> >> value added if you will, >> for each of you. >> >> S >> so they changed focus and begin >> attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine > gentlemen >> and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I > certainly >> could not have >> >> done anything with their support. >> >> Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the > same >> man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally > committee >> to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then >> >> quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in >> March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a >> degree, the following has occurred. >> >> Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a > desire to >> change the direction of the club. Last night against all the > rules, >> bylaws, etc. >> >> they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have >> started acoup to take over the club. >> >> The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect >> the content of the website learned of this, >> thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work) >> >> and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and > changing >> it >> , >> erasing everything that I have built. >> >> As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside >> ourselves at this turn of events. >> >> The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when > taking >> over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) > is >> to disable the communications. >> >> You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one >> question. >> >> Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, >> to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the > 80's >> and into the 21st century? >> >> or >> >> Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up > and >> let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of > this >> very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting >> >> the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years? >> >> You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so > do >> not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want. >> >> * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small > 30 >> member Chapter >> leave >> POCA last month >> and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him. >> >> >> If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to > return >> to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid >> reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards, >> >> New POCA store items,and other expenses) >> >> I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened > and I >> hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at > the >> actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ). >> >> Thank you, >> >> Michael Shortt >> >> STILL President >> >> POCA >> -- >> Michael L. Shortt >> Savannah, Georgia >> [4][13]michael@michaelshortt.com >> 912-232-9390 >> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified >> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that >> you >> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >> >> References >> >> 1. [14]mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com >> 2. [15]http://poca.com/ >> 3. [16]http://poca.com/ >> 4. 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References 1. mailto:bill@incendium.com 2. mailto:bill@incendium.com 3. mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com 4. mailto:gpd4@juno.com 5. mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com 6. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 8. mailto:mbglobalsc@aol.com 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com? 10. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 11. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 12. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com 13. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com 14. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com? 15. http://poca.com/ 16. http://poca.com/ 17. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com? 18. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 20. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 22. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 24. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 26. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 27. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. All of this would be pretty funny if so many people had not been thrown under the bus. Someone should contact a documentary producer to make a film about "Clubs Go Wrong". Kinda like the Marx Brothers "Duck Soup". Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; michaelsavga@gmail.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) This is all beyond bizarre Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: bill <[2]bill@incendium.com> Cc: Michael Shortt <[3]michaelsavga@gmail.com>; Mike Burnett <[4]mbglobalsc@aol.com>; Gpd4 <[5]gpd4@juno.com>; De Tomaso List <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[7]detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! Julian > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1][8]bill@incendium.com" <[2][9]bill@incendium.com> wrote: > > Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey?????? > > Bill > > Calgary > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Scott Mead Photography <[3][10]scott@scottmeadphotography.com> > Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: 'Gpd4' <[4][11]gpd4@juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <[5][12]scottcouchman@yahoo.com> > Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <[6][13]michaelsavga@gmail.com>, > [7][14]detomaso@detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <[8][15]mbglobalsc@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on > the > original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I > understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:[16]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Gpd4 > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM > To: Scott Couchman > Cc: Michael Shortt; [10][17]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > How will this survey be received? > GPD4 > Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso >> <[11][18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >> I support the POCA Board of Directors. >> >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt > <[1][12][19]michaelsavga@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> My Fellow POCA Members, >> >> It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties > within >> your club which has resulted in the >> suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website. >> >> Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks >> since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st. >> >> It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged > by a >> small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them >> >> below, but first a little history so that you know where my > motivation >> comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be >> brief. >> >> This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 > member >> range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each >> year >> >> and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over > 150 >> members. Growth has never been possible because member retention >> >> and member recruitment has ever been a priority. >> If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not > required, >> it just means that you >> >> basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older >> community church). >> >> That is what POCA had, and a membership with over >> 60 >> % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70. >> >> Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than > it >> take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade. >> >> I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could >> make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items > and >> was told that I would never >> >> get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in > 5 >> months with the then current support of a progressive BOD. >> >> Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) > Rob >> D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently > Gil >> Mares have >> >> beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical > BS >> and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was >> disabled to >> >> make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and >> designed after asking for help form these same people and none >> volunteered ), they went out >> >> with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most > vile >> and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be >> apart of and it's primary >> >> purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension > within >> POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the > club >> while I have been President >> >> except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No >> worries, >> >> as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used > to >> professional haters, >> >> a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. >> The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of >> begging showed 808 >> >> POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired > that >> number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members. >> >> This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead > and >> those not paying dues. >> >> As of yesterday, that number is now >> 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have >> added over 100 NEW members. >> >> A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke > as >> Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was >> finally able to get the BOD >> >> to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 >> years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL >> COLOR printing would cost. >> >> It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but > the >> result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working. >> >> Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of >> service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an >> expanded store (revenue producing )was not >> >> what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as >> required. I understand and it was a nice parting. >> >> Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone > was >> 17% more than all of our dues. >> >> The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on >> booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained >> $1,600, >> >> I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there >> have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and >> different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years. >> >> That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most >> recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride >> Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate >> >> ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, >> usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely > to >> gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda >> >> here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still > can >> have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were > truly >> none of their business, all while recruiting no members and >> >> contributing nothing positive to the club. >> >> WHY The website is down >> >> over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune > to >> their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to >> create a better POCA Membership Experience, >> >> value added if you will, >> for each of you. >> >> S >> so they changed focus and begin >> attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine > gentlemen >> and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I > certainly >> could not have >> >> done anything with their support. >> >> Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the > same >> man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally > committee >> to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then >> >> quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in >> March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a >> degree, the following has occurred. >> >> Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a > desire to >> change the direction of the club. Last night against all the > rules, >> bylaws, etc. >> >> they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have >> started acoup to take over the club. >> >> The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect >> the content of the website learned of this, >> thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work) >> >> and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and > changing >> it >> , >> erasing everything that I have built. >> >> As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside >> ourselves at this turn of events. >> >> The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when > taking >> over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) > is >> to disable the communications. >> >> You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one >> question. >> >> Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, >> to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the > 80's >> and into the 21st century? >> >> or >> >> Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up > and >> let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of > this >> very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting >> >> the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years? >> >> You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so > do >> not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want. >> >> * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small > 30 >> member Chapter >> leave >> POCA last month >> and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him. >> >> >> If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to > return >> to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid >> reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards, >> >> New POCA store items,and other expenses) >> >> I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened > and I >> hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at > the >> actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ). >> >> Thank you, >> >> Michael Shortt >> >> STILL President >> >> POCA >> -- >> Michael L. Shortt >> Savannah, Georgia >> [4][13][20]michael@michaelshortt.com >> 912-232-9390 >> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified >> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. 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[57]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 24. mailto:[58]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 25. [59]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 26. mailto:[60]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 27. [61]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [62]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [63]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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Verbatim from the survey: 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and want you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, let the contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully support us, or you suck. How about this? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am unhappy with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the club better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have been damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating people with respect, they should leave. -- Will On 7/22/16 5:51 PM, "Ken Green via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
All of this would be pretty funny if so many people had not been thrown under the bus. Someone should contact a documentary producer to make a film about "Clubs Go Wrong". Kinda like the Marx Brothers "Duck Soup". Ken __________________________________________________________________
From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; michaelsavga@gmail.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) This is all beyond bizarre Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: bill <[2]bill@incendium.com> Cc: Michael Shortt <[3]michaelsavga@gmail.com>; Mike Burnett <[4]mbglobalsc@aol.com>; Gpd4 <[5]gpd4@juno.com>; De Tomaso List <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[7]detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! Julian > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1][8]bill@incendium.com" <[2][9]bill@incendium.com> wrote: > > Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey?????? > > Bill > > Calgary > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Scott Mead Photography <[3][10]scott@scottmeadphotography.com> > Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: 'Gpd4' <[4][11]gpd4@juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <[5][12]scottcouchman@yahoo.com> > Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <[6][13]michaelsavga@gmail.com>, > [7][14]detomaso@detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <[8][15]mbglobalsc@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on > the > original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I > understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:[16]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Gpd4 > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM > To: Scott Couchman > Cc: Michael Shortt; [10][17]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > How will this survey be received? > GPD4 > Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso >> <[11][18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >> I support the POCA Board of Directors. >> >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt > <[1][12][19]michaelsavga@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> My Fellow POCA Members, >> >> It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties > within >> your club which has resulted in the >> suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website. >> >> Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks >> since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st. >> >> It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged > by a >> small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them >> >> below, but first a little history so that you know where my > motivation >> comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be >> brief. >> >> This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 > member >> range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each >> year >> >> and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over > 150 >> members. Growth has never been possible because member retention >> >> and member recruitment has ever been a priority. >> If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not > required, >> it just means that you >> >> basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older >> community church). >> >> That is what POCA had, and a membership with over >> 60 >> % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70. >> >> Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than > it >> take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade. >> >> I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could >> make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items > and >> was told that I would never >> >> get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in > 5 >> months with the then current support of a progressive BOD. >> >> Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) > Rob >> D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently > Gil >> Mares have >> >> beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical > BS >> and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was >> disabled to >> >> make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and >> designed after asking for help form these same people and none >> volunteered ), they went out >> >> with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most > vile >> and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be >> apart of and it's primary >> >> purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension > within >> POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the > club >> while I have been President >> >> except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No >> worries, >> >> as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used > to >> professional haters, >> >> a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. >> The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of >> begging showed 808 >> >> POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired > that >> number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members. >> >> This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead > and >> those not paying dues. >> >> As of yesterday, that number is now >> 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have >> added over 100 NEW members. >> >> A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke > as >> Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was >> finally able to get the BOD >> >> to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 >> years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL >> COLOR printing would cost. >> >> It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but > the >> result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working. >> >> Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of >> service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an >> expanded store (revenue producing )was not >> >> what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as >> required. I understand and it was a nice parting. >> >> Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone > was >> 17% more than all of our dues. >> >> The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on >> booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained >> $1,600, >> >> I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there >> have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and >> different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years. >> >> That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most >> recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride >> Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate >> >> ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, >> usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely > to >> gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda >> >> here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still > can >> have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were > truly >> none of their business, all while recruiting no members and >> >> contributing nothing positive to the club. >> >> WHY The website is down >> >> over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune > to >> their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to >> create a better POCA Membership Experience, >> >> value added if you will, >> for each of you. >> >> S >> so they changed focus and begin >> attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine > gentlemen >> and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I > certainly >> could not have >> >> done anything with their support. >> >> Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the > same >> man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally > committee >> to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then >> >> quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in >> March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a >> degree, the following has occurred. >> >> Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a > desire to >> change the direction of the club. Last night against all the > rules, >> bylaws, etc. >> >> they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have >> started acoup to take over the club. >> >> The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect >> the content of the website learned of this, >> thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work) >> >> and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and > changing >> it >> , >> erasing everything that I have built. >> >> As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside >> ourselves at this turn of events. >> >> The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when > taking >> over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) > is >> to disable the communications. >> >> You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one >> question. >> >> Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, >> to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the > 80's >> and into the 21st century? >> >> or >> >> Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up > and >> let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of > this >> very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting >> >> the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years? >> >> You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so > do >> not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want. >> >> * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small > 30 >> member Chapter >> leave >> POCA last month >> and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him. >> >> >> If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to > return >> to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid >> reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards, >> >> New POCA store items,and other expenses) >> >> I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened > and I >> hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at > the >> actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ). >> >> Thank you, >> >> Michael Shortt >> >> STILL President >> >> POCA >> -- >> Michael L. Shortt >> Savannah, Georgia >> [4][13][20]michael@michaelshortt.com >> 912-232-9390 >> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified >> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the sender > that >> you >> have received this message in error, then delete it. Thank you >> >> References >> >> 1. [14]mailto:[21]michaelsavga@gmail.com >> 2. [15][22]http://poca.com/ >> 3. [16][23]http://poca.com/ >> 4. 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The " survey" is invalid for the same reason the earlier "survey" was invalid . It was designed and written ONLY by Mr. Shortt . Board members have tried to talk and reason with him and have given up on any hope that he will ever change . Friends have tried talking to him and have given up hope that he will ever change . Enemies of his have bluntly laid it out for him , but nothing changes his basic desire to dominate by deceiving and manipulating . ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:05 PM To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) Verbatim from the survey: 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and want you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, let the contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully support us, or you suck. How about this? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am unhappy with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the club better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have been damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating people with respect, they should leave. -- Will On 7/22/16 5:51 PM, "Ken Green via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
All of this would be pretty funny if so many people had not been thrown under the bus. Someone should contact a documentary producer to make a film about "Clubs Go Wrong". Kinda like the Marx Brothers "Duck Soup". Ken __________________________________________________________________
From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; michaelsavga@gmail.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) This is all beyond bizarre Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: bill <[2]bill@incendium.com> Cc: Michael Shortt <[3]michaelsavga@gmail.com>; Mike Burnett <[4]mbglobalsc@aol.com>; Gpd4 <[5]gpd4@juno.com>; De Tomaso List <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[7]detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! Julian > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1][8]bill@incendium.com" <[2][9]bill@incendium.com> wrote: > > Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey?????? > > Bill > > Calgary > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Scott Mead Photography <[3][10]scott@scottmeadphotography.com> > Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: 'Gpd4' <[4][11]gpd4@juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <[5][12]scottcouchman@yahoo.com> > Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <[6][13]michaelsavga@gmail.com>, > [7][14]detomaso@detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <[8][15]mbglobalsc@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on > the > original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I > understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:[16]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Gpd4 > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM > To: Scott Couchman > Cc: Michael Shortt; [10][17]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > How will this survey be received? > GPD4 > Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso >> <[11][18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >> I support the POCA Board of Directors. >> >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt > <[1][12][19]michaelsavga@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> My Fellow POCA Members, >> >> It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties > within >> your club which has resulted in the >> suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website. >> >> Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks >> since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st. >> >> It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged > by a >> small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them >> >> below, but first a little history so that you know where my > motivation >> comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be >> brief. >> >> This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 > member >> range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each >> year >> >> and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over > 150 >> members. Growth has never been possible because member retention >> >> and member recruitment has ever been a priority. >> If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not > required, >> it just means that you >> >> basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older >> community church). >> >> That is what POCA had, and a membership with over >> 60 >> % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70. >> >> Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than > it >> take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade. >> >> I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could >> make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items > and >> was told that I would never >> >> get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in > 5 >> months with the then current support of a progressive BOD. >> >> Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) > Rob >> D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently > Gil >> Mares have >> >> beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical > BS >> and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was >> disabled to >> >> make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and >> designed after asking for help form these same people and none >> volunteered ), they went out >> >> with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most > vile >> and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be >> apart of and it's primary >> >> purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension > within >> POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the > club >> while I have been President >> >> except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No >> worries, >> >> as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used > to >> professional haters, >> >> a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. >> The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of >> begging showed 808 >> >> POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired > that >> number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members. >> >> This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead > and >> those not paying dues. >> >> As of yesterday, that number is now >> 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have >> added over 100 NEW members. >> >> A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke > as >> Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was >> finally able to get the BOD >> >> to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 >> years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL >> COLOR printing would cost. >> >> It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but > the >> result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working. >> >> Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of >> service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an >> expanded store (revenue producing )was not >> >> what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as >> required. I understand and it was a nice parting. >> >> Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone > was >> 17% more than all of our dues. >> >> The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on >> booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained >> $1,600, >> >> I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there >> have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and >> different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years. >> >> That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most >> recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride >> Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate >> >> ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, >> usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely > to >> gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda >> >> here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still > can >> have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were > truly >> none of their business, all while recruiting no members and >> >> contributing nothing positive to the club. >> >> WHY The website is down >> >> over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune > to >> their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to >> create a better POCA Membership Experience, >> >> value added if you will, >> for each of you. >> >> S >> so they changed focus and begin >> attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine > gentlemen >> and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I > certainly >> could not have >> >> done anything with their support. >> >> Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the > same >> man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally > committee >> to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then >> >> quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in >> March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a >> degree, the following has occurred. >> >> Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a > desire to >> change the direction of the club. Last night against all the > rules, >> bylaws, etc. >> >> they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have >> started acoup to take over the club. >> >> The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect >> the content of the website learned of this, >> thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work) >> >> and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and > changing >> it >> , >> erasing everything that I have built. >> >> As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside >> ourselves at this turn of events. >> >> The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when > taking >> over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) > is >> to disable the communications. >> >> You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one >> question. >> >> Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, >> to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the > 80's >> and into the 21st century? >> >> or >> >> Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up > and >> let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of > this >> very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting >> >> the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years? >> >> You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so > do >> not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want. >> >> * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small > 30 >> member Chapter >> leave >> POCA last month >> and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him. >> >> >> If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to > return >> to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid >> reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards, >> >> New POCA store items,and other expenses) >> >> I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened > and I >> hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at > the >> actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ). >> >> Thank you, >> >> Michael Shortt >> >> STILL President >> >> POCA >> -- >> Michael L. Shortt >> Savannah, Georgia >> [4][13][20]michael@michaelshortt.com >> 912-232-9390 >> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified >> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. 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All of this would be pretty funny if so many people had not been
_______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. The " survey" is invalid for the same reason the earlier "survey" was invalid . It was designed and written ONLY by Mr. Shortt . Board members have tried to talk and reason with him and have given up on any hope that he will ever change . Friends have tried talking to him and have given up hope that he will ever change . Enemies of his have bluntly laid it out for him , but nothing changes his basic desire to dominate by deceiving and manipulating . __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:05 PM To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) Verbatim from the survey: 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and want you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, let the contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully support us, or you suck. How about this? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am unhappy with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the club better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have been damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating people with respect, they should leave. -- Will On 7/22/16 5:51 PM, "Ken Green via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: thrown
under the bus. Someone should contact a documentary producer to make a film about "Clubs Go Wrong". Kinda like the Marx Brothers "Duck Soup". Ken
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From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; michaelsavga@gmail.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) This is all beyond bizarre Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: bill <[2]bill@incendium.com> Cc: Michael Shortt <[3]michaelsavga@gmail.com>; Mike Burnett <[4]mbglobalsc@aol.com>; Gpd4 <[5]gpd4@juno.com>; De Tomaso List <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[7]detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! Julian > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1][8]bill@incendium.com" <[2][9]bill@incendium.com> wrote: > > Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey?????? > > Bill > > Calgary > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Scott Mead Photography <[3][10]scott@scottmeadphotography.com> > Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: 'Gpd4' <[4][11]gpd4@juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <[5][12]scottcouchman@yahoo.com> > Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <[6][13]michaelsavga@gmail.com>, > [7][14]detomaso@detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <[8][15]mbglobalsc@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > It's curious that some people (myself included) were not
on > the > original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I > understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:[16]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Gpd4 > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM > To: Scott Couchman > Cc: Michael Shortt; [10][17]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > How will this survey be received? > GPD4 > Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso >> <[11][18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >> I support the POCA Board of Directors. >> >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt > <[1][12][19]michaelsavga@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> My Fellow POCA Members, >> >> It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties > within >> your club which has resulted in the >> suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website. >> >> Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks >> since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st. >> >> It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged > by a >> small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them >> >> below, but first a little history so that you know where my > motivation >> comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be >> brief. >> >> This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 > member >> range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each >> year >> >> and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over > 150 >> members. Growth has never been possible because member retention >> >> and member recruitment has ever been a priority. >> If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not > required, >> it just means that you >> >> basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older >> community church). >> >> That is what POCA had, and a membership with over >> 60 >> % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70. >> >> Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money
included than
> it >> take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a
decade.
>> >> I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could >> make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27
items
> and >> was told that I would never >> >> get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of
it in
> 5 >> months with the then current support of a progressive BOD. >> >> Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% -
23%)
> Rob >> D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most
recently
> Gil >> Mares have >> >> beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies,
technical
> BS >> and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum
was
>> disabled to >> >> make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built
and
>> designed after asking for help form these same people and none >> volunteered ), they went out >> >> with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the
most
> vile >> and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to
be >> apart of and it's primary >> >> purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension > within >> POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to
not the
> club >> while I have been President >> >> except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target,
No
>> worries, >> >> as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm
used
> to >> professional haters, >> >> a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. >> The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3
of >> begging showed 808 >> >> POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired > that >> number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members. >> >> This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead > and >> those not paying dues. >> >> As of yesterday, that number is now >> 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have >> added over 100 NEW members. >> >> A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke > as >> Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was >> finally able to get the BOD >> >> to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 >> years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL >> COLOR printing would cost. >> >> It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but > the >> result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working. >> >> Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of >> service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an >> expanded store (revenue producing )was not >> >> what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as >> required. I understand and it was a nice parting. >> >> Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone > was >> 17% more than all of our dues. >> >> The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on >> booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained >> $1,600, >> >> I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there >> have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and >> different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years. >> >> That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most >> recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride >> Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate >> >> ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, >> usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely > to >> gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda >> >> here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still > can >> have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were > truly >> none of their business, all while recruiting no members and >> >> contributing nothing positive to the club. >> >> WHY The website is down >> >> over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune > to >> their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to >> create a better POCA Membership Experience, >> >> value added if you will, >> for each of you. >> >> S >> so they changed focus and begin >> attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine > gentlemen >> and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I > certainly >> could not have >> >> done anything with their support. >> >> Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically (
months the
> same >> man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally > committee >> to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then >> >> quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name
replacements in
>> March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such
a
>> degree, the following has occurred. >> >> Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a > desire to >> change the direction of the club. Last night against all the > rules, >> bylaws, etc. >> >> they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have >> started acoup to take over the club. >> >> The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect >> the content of the website learned of this, >> thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work) >> >> and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and > changing >> it >> , >> erasing everything that I have built. >> >> As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are
beside
>> ourselves at this turn of events. >> >> The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when > taking >> over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid
it) > is >> to disable the communications. >> >> You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one >> question. >> >> Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, >> to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of
doesn't the
> 80's >> and into the 21st century? >> >> or >> >> Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give
up
> and >> let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction
of
> this >> very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting >> >> the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years? >> >> You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to
so > do >> not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want. >> >> * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small > 30 >> member Chapter >> leave >> POCA last month >> and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him. >> >> >> If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to > return >> to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid >> reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards, >> >> New POCA store items,and other expenses) >> >> I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened > and I >> hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at > the >> actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ). >> >> Thank you, >> >> Michael Shortt >> >> STILL President >> >> POCA >> -- >> Michael L. Shortt >> Savannah, Georgia >> [4][13][20]michael@michaelshortt.com >> 912-232-9390 >> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified >> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of
bullies, this
>> communication is strictly prohibited. Please reply to the
sender
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I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th reply. 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information and postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees and future publication mailings. The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email address to see whom to send above to. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) Verbatim from the survey: 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and want you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, let the contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully support us, or you suck. How about this? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am unhappy with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the club better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have been damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating people with respect, they should leave. -- Will
On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1]bill@incendium.com<mailto:bill@incendium.com>" <[2]bill@incendium.com<mailto:bill@incendium.com>> wrote:
Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey??????
Bill
Calgary
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
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On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
I support the POCA Board of Directors.
On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1][12]michaelsavga@gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com>> wrote:
My Fellow POCA Members,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within your club which has resulted in the suspension of the [2]POCA.Com<http://poca.com> website.
Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be brief.
This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each year
and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
and member recruitment has ever been a priority. If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, it just means that you
basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older community church).
That is what POCA had, and a membership with over 60 % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and was told that I would never
get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil Mares have
beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was disabled to
make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com<http://poca.com> ( which I built and designed after asking for help form these same people and none volunteered ), they went out
with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be apart of and it's primary
purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club while I have been President
except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No worries,
as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to professional haters,
a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of begging showed 808
POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired
number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and those not paying dues.
As of yesterday, that number is now 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have added over 100 NEW members.
A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was finally able to get the BOD
to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL COLOR printing would cost.
It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but
result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an expanded store (revenue producing )was not
what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was 17% more than all of our dues.
The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained $1,600,
I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were
none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
contributing nothing positive to the club.
WHY The website is down
over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to create a better POCA Membership Experience,
value added if you will, for each of you.
S so they changed focus and begin attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly could not have
done anything with their support.
Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a degree, the following has occurred.
Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, bylaws, etc.
they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have started acoup to take over the club.
The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect the content of the website learned of this, thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing it , erasing everything that I have built.
As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside ourselves at this turn of events.
The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is to disable the communications.
You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one question.
Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's and into the 21st century?
or
Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of
very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
* It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 member Chapter leave POCA last month and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
New POCA store items,and other expenses)
I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at
actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
Thank you,
Michael Shortt
STILL President
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I know a TV Producer out of Savannah, GA! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2016, at 2:51 PM, Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com>> wrote: All of this would be pretty funny if so many people had not been thrown under the bus. Someone should contact a documentary producer to make a film about "Clubs Go Wrong". Kinda like the Marx Brothers "Duck Soup". Ken ________________________________ From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> To: julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>; bill@incendium.com<mailto:bill@incendium.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; michaelsavga@gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com>; detomaso@detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>; mbglobalsc@aol.com<mailto:mbglobalsc@aol.com>; gpd4@juno.com<mailto:gpd4@juno.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) This is all beyond bizarre Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> To: bill <bill@incendium.com<mailto:bill@incendium.com>> Cc: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga@gmail.com<mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com>>; Mike Burnett <mbglobalsc@aol.com<mailto:mbglobalsc@aol.com>>; Gpd4 <gpd4@juno.com<mailto:gpd4@juno.com>>; De Tomaso List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>; detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! 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Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: [3]julian_kift@hotmail.com; [4]bill@incendium.com Cc: [5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; [6]michaelsavga@gmail.com; [7]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [8]mbglobalsc@aol.com; [9]gpd4@juno.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) This is all beyond bizarre Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift <[10]julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: bill <[11]bill@incendium.com> Cc: Michael Shortt <[12]michaelsavga@gmail.com>; Mike Burnett <[13]mbglobalsc@aol.com>; Gpd4 <[14]gpd4@juno.com>; De Tomaso List <[15]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <[16]detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! Julian > On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1][17]bill@incendium.com" <[2][18]bill@incendium.com> wrote: > > Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey?????? > > Bill > > Calgary > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Scott Mead Photography <[3][19]scott@scottmeadphotography.com> > Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) > To: 'Gpd4' <[4][20]gpd4@juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <[5][21]scottcouchman@yahoo.com> > Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <[6][22]michaelsavga@gmail.com>, > [7][23]detomaso@detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <[8][24]mbglobalsc@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > > It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on > the > original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I > understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:[25]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On > Behalf > Of Gpd4 > Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM > To: Scott Couchman > Cc: Michael Shortt; [10][26]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) > How will this survey be received? > GPD4 > Sent from my iPhone >>> On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso >> <[11][27]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: >> >> I support the POCA Board of Directors. >> >> On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt > <[1][12][28]michaelsavga@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >> My Fellow POCA Members, >> >> It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties > within >> your club which has resulted in the >> suspension of the [2][29]POCA.Com website. >> >> Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks >> since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st. >> >> It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged > by a >> small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them >> >> below, but first a little history so that you know where my > motivation >> comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be >> brief. >> >> This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 > member >> range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each >> year >> >> and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over > 150 >> members. Growth has never been possible because member retention >> >> and member recruitment has ever been a priority. >> If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not > required, >> it just means that you >> >> basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older >> community church). >> >> That is what POCA had, and a membership with over >> 60 >> % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70. >> >> Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than > it >> take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade. >> >> I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could >> make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items > and >> was told that I would never >> >> get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in > 5 >> months with the then current support of a progressive BOD. >> >> Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) > Rob >> D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently > Gil >> Mares have >> >> beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical > BS >> and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was >> disabled to >> >> make room for the new and improved [3][30]poca.com ( which I built and >> designed after asking for help form these same people and none >> volunteered ), they went out >> >> with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most > vile >> and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be >> apart of and it's primary >> >> purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension > within >> POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the > club >> while I have been President >> >> except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No >> worries, >> >> as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used > to >> professional haters, >> >> a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. >> The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of >> begging showed 808 >> >> POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired > that >> number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members. >> >> This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead > and >> those not paying dues. >> >> As of yesterday, that number is now >> 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have >> added over 100 NEW members. >> >> A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke > as >> Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was >> finally able to get the BOD >> >> to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 >> years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL >> COLOR printing would cost. >> >> It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but > the >> result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working. >> >> Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of >> service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an >> expanded store (revenue producing )was not >> >> what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as >> required. I understand and it was a nice parting. >> >> Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone > was >> 17% more than all of our dues. >> >> The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on >> booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained >> $1,600, >> >> I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there >> have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and >> different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years. >> >> That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most >> recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride >> Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate >> >> ( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, >> usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely > to >> gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda >> >> here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still > can >> have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were > truly >> none of their business, all while recruiting no members and >> >> contributing nothing positive to the club. >> >> WHY The website is down >> >> over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune > to >> their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to >> create a better POCA Membership Experience, >> >> value added if you will, >> for each of you. >> >> S >> so they changed focus and begin >> attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine > gentlemen >> and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I > certainly >> could not have >> >> done anything with their support. >> >> Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the > same >> man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally > committee >> to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then >> >> quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in >> March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a >> degree, the following has occurred. >> >> Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a > desire to >> change the direction of the club. Last night against all the > rules, >> bylaws, etc. >> >> they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have >> started acoup to take over the club. >> >> The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect >> the content of the website learned of this, >> thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work) >> >> and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and > changing >> it >> , >> erasing everything that I have built. >> >> As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside >> ourselves at this turn of events. >> >> The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when > taking >> over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) > is >> to disable the communications. >> >> You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one >> question. >> >> Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, >> to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the > 80's >> and into the 21st century? >> >> or >> >> Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up > and >> let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of > this >> very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting >> >> the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years? >> >> You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so > do >> not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want. >> >> * It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small > 30 >> member Chapter >> leave >> POCA last month >> and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him. >> >> >> If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to > return >> to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid >> reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards, >> >> New POCA store items,and other expenses) >> >> I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened > and I >> hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at > the >> actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ). >> >> Thank you, >> >> Michael Shortt >> >> STILL President >> >> POCA >> -- >> Michael L. Shortt >> Savannah, Georgia >> [4][13][31]michael@michaelshortt.com >> 912-232-9390 >> >> This email is protected by the Electronic Communications Privacy >> Act, 18 U.S.C. Sec. 2510-2521, is confidential and may be legally >> privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby >> notified >> that any retention, dissemination, distribution or copying of this >> communication is strictly prohibited. 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On Jul 22, 2016, at 1:57 PM, "[1]bill@incendium.com" <[2]bill@incendium.com> wrote:
Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey??????
Bill
Calgary
Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
-------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <[3]scott@scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Gpd4' <[4]gpd4@juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <[5]scottcouchman@yahoo.com> Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <[6]michaelsavga@gmail.com>, [7]detomaso@detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <[8]mbglobalsc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I support the POCA Board of Directors.
On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1][12]michaelsavga@gmail.com> wrote:
My Fellow POCA Members,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within your club which has resulted in the suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be brief.
This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each year
and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
and member recruitment has ever been a priority. If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, it just means that you
basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older community church).
That is what POCA had, and a membership with over 60 % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and was told that I would never
get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil Mares have
beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was disabled to
make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and designed after asking for help form these same people and none volunteered ), they went out
with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be apart of and it's primary
purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club while I have been President
except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No worries,
as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to professional haters,
a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of begging showed 808
POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired
number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and those not paying dues.
As of yesterday, that number is now 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have added over 100 NEW members.
A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was finally able to get the BOD
to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL COLOR printing would cost.
It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but
result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an expanded store (revenue producing )was not
what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was 17% more than all of our dues.
The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained $1,600,
I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were
none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
contributing nothing positive to the club.
WHY The website is down
over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to create a better POCA Membership Experience,
value added if you will, for each of you.
S so they changed focus and begin attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly could not have
done anything with their support.
Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a degree, the following has occurred.
Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, bylaws, etc.
they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have started acoup to take over the club.
The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect the content of the website learned of this, thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing it , erasing everything that I have built.
As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside ourselves at this turn of events.
The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is to disable the communications.
You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one question.
Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's and into the 21st century?
or
Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of
very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
* It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 member Chapter leave POCA last month and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
New POCA store items,and other expenses)
I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at
actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
Thank you,
Michael Shortt
STILL President
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Call MS, he produces films. Just ask him. IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 5:51 PM To: Pantdino; julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) All of this would be pretty funny if so many people had not been thrown under the bus. Someone should contact a documentary producer to make a film about "Clubs Go Wrong". Kinda like the Marx Brothers "Duck Soup". Ken From: Pantdino via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To: julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; michaelsavga@gmail.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 2:11 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) This is all beyond bizarre Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: bill <bill@incendium.com> Cc: Michael Shortt <michaelsavga@gmail.com>; Mike Burnett <mbglobalsc@aol.com>; Gpd4 <gpd4@juno.com>; De Tomaso List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; detomaso <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) You guys appear to still all be on the wrong list email! Julian list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [26]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:bill@incendium.com 2. mailto:bill@incendium.com 3. mailto:scott@scottmeadphotography.com 4. mailto:gpd4@juno.com 5. mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com 6. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com 7. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 8. mailto:mbglobalsc@aol.com 9. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com? 10. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com 11. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 12. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com 13. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com 14. mailto:michaelsavga@gmail.com? 15. http://poca.com/ 16. http://poca.com/ 17. mailto:michael@michaelshortt.com? 18. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 19. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 20. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 22. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 23. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 24. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 25. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 26. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 27. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I support the POCA Board of Directors.
On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1]michaelsavga@gmail.com> wrote:
My Fellow POCA Members,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within your club which has resulted in the suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be brief.
This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each year
and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
and member recruitment has ever been a priority. If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, it just means that you
basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older community church).
That is what POCA had, and a membership with over 60 % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and was told that I would never
get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil Mares have
beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was disabled to
make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and designed after asking for help form these same people and none volunteered ), they went out
with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be apart of and it's primary
purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club while I have been President
except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No worries,
as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to professional haters,
a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of begging showed 808
POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired that number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and those not paying dues.
As of yesterday, that number is now 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have added over 100 NEW members.
A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was finally able to get the BOD
to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL COLOR printing would cost.
It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but the result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an expanded store (revenue producing )was not
what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was 17% more than all of our dues.
The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained $1,600,
I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were truly none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
contributing nothing positive to the club.
WHY The website is down
over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to create a better POCA Membership Experience,
value added if you will, for each of you.
S so they changed focus and begin attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly could not have
done anything with their support.
Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a degree, the following has occurred.
Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, bylaws, etc.
they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have started acoup to take over the club.
The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect the content of the website learned of this, thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing it , erasing everything that I have built.
As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside ourselves at this turn of events.
The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is to disable the communications.
You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one question.
Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's and into the 21st century?
or
Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of this very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
* It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 member Chapter leave POCA last month and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
New POCA store items,and other expenses)
I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at the actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
Thank you,
Michael Shortt
STILL President
POCA -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [4]michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390
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I have not received an original copy of the email, nor a survey. From: bill@incendium.com [mailto:bill@incendium.com] Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 10:57 AM To: Scott Mead Photography; 'Gpd4'; 'Scott Couchman' Cc: 'Michael Shortt'; detomaso@detomasolist.com; 'Mike Burnett' Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) Scott, etal; I have yet to receive a survey?????? Bill Calgary Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Scott Mead Photography <scott@scottmeadphotography.com> Date: 2016-07-22 2:50 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Gpd4' <gpd4@juno.com>, 'Scott Couchman' <scottcouchman@yahoo.com> Cc: 'Michael Shortt' <michaelsavga@gmail.com>, detomaso@detomasolist.com, 'Mike Burnett' <mbglobalsc@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) It's curious that some people (myself included) were not included on the original email distribution (and I am a current POCA member). As I understand it, the survey was attached to Mr. Shortt's original email. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Gpd4 Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 8:19 AM To: Scott Couchman Cc: Michael Shortt; detomaso@detomasolist.com; Mike Burnett Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) How will this survey be received? GPD4 Sent from my iPhone the links above.
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On Jul 22, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I support the POCA Board of Directors.
On Jul 22, 2016, at 6:11 AM, Michael Shortt <[1][10]michaelsavga@gmail.com> wrote:
My Fellow POCA Members,
It is with deep regret that I must inform you of improprieties within your club which has resulted in the suspension of the [2]POCA.Com website.
Most of you know that I have personally been the target of attacks since before assuming office as the President of POCA last Jan 1st.
It has been an incessant, organized and relentless campaign staged by a small handful of members resistant to change. I will name them
below, but first a little history so that you know where my motivation comes from and why I thought I could make a difference, I will be brief.
This club over the past two decades has hovered in the 700-800 member range, without fail, the club has attracted 30-60 new members each year
and lost an equal number, some years, like in 2014/15, losing over 150 members. Growth has never been possible because member retention
and member recruitment has ever been a priority. If your expenses and dues remain flat and new blood is not required, it just means that you
basically have a stagnant and aging membership (like any older community church).
That is what POCA had, and a membership with over 60 % of it's members over 60, and 20% over 70.
Expenses have grown unchecked and the club spends more money than it take in. It also was dated with no updates in well over a decade.
I saw all of this and thought with my particular skill sets I could make a difference. I immediately set about an agenda with 27 items and was told that I would never
get half of that done in my full two year term, I did all of it in 5 months with the then current support of a progressive BOD.
Meanwhile, the person whom I defeated for President ( 77% - 23%) Rob D'Orazio, Larry Finch, Asa Jay Laughton, and others, most recently Gil Mares have
beleaguered me 24/7 with email, false accusations, lies, technical BS and simply mean and hateful emails. When the poca email forum was disabled to
make room for the new and improved [3]poca.com ( which I built and designed after asking for help form these same people and none volunteered ), they went out
with Kurt Byrnes and created another email forum which is the most vile and disgusting, most toxic email list you could ever hope to not be apart of and it's primary
purpose has been to slander, libel, lie, and create dissension within POCA. None of those named so far have contributed anything to the club while I have been President
except hate and I was lucky enough to be their primary target, No worries,
as many of you know, I work in show biz and politics, so i'm used to professional haters,
a few amateurs didn't really affect me and the club has flourished. The first list that was supplied to me of members after 3 months of begging showed 808
POCA members, after culling out those who were deceased or expired
number of active, PAID POCA members was 718 active members.
This club spent $6,000 last year sending publications to the dead and those not paying dues.
As of yesterday, that number is now 867 active paid members. Many of the deadbeats paid up and we have added over 100 NEW members.
A part of that effort resulted in the resignations of Jack DeRyke as Newsletter editor and Mike Haney as Profiles editor because I was finally able to get the BOD
to listen to reason and change printers, we have been robbed by 10 years, paying $100,000 more for Black and White printing than FULL COLOR printing would cost.
It is rumoured that there was more to that than I can confirm, but
result was without using THAT printer,, they stopped working.
Josette D'Orazio resigned as POCA store manager after 2.5 years of service while selling 166 orders., she said that my vision of an expanded store (revenue producing )was not
what she wanted to do and did not want to do the extra work as required. I understand and it was a nice parting.
Why the emphasis on Money, the club runs on money, Printing alone was 17% more than all of our dues.
The fun rally was supposed to make money, but they spent $20,205 on booze over 3 days, $47,000 in gross revenue and the club retained $1,600,
I will not bore you with a detailed list of improvements, but there have been many, suffice it to say, the club has seen more new and different in the last 7 months than in the past 20 years.
That was my goal and it was done while under constant attack. Most recently, worrying about the name of the forming "Southern Pride Panteras" chapter as being inappropriate
( clearly not knowing a large group of big cats is called a Pride, usually Lions, esp since Tigers, Leopards and Panthers are unlikely to gather in groups). Then it was us bring Tom Tjarrda
here to represent the club on the national stage ( while we still can have him with us) and so many other ridiculous things that were
none of their business, all while recruiting no members and
contributing nothing positive to the club.
WHY The website is down
over the last month, the miscreants finally realized I was immune to their nonsense and just carried on doing what needed to be done to create a better POCA Membership Experience,
value added if you will, for each of you.
S so they changed focus and begin attacking John Buckman, Joe Stockett and Ed Mendez, all fine gentlemen and a solid part of the fist 6 months of progress we made. I certainly could not have
done anything with their support.
Yet, they are not me, Larry Finch and Gil Mares specifically ( the same man who spent $1,200 of club money as a part of the Fun Rally committee to travel to Las Vegas earlier this year and then
quit the committee leaving us in the lurch to name replacements in March for the event in May ) browbeat John, Joe and Ed to such a degree, the following has occurred.
Yesterday they called the web hosting company and expressed a desire to change the direction of the club. Last night against all the rules, bylaws, etc.
they had a impromptu BOD meeting ( without us) and essentially have started acoup to take over the club.
The website host company as a matter of policy and to protect the content of the website learned of this, thankfully preserving my 600+ hours of work)
and disabled the website to keep them from destroying it and changing it , erasing everything that I have built.
As you can imagine, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I are beside ourselves at this turn of events.
The first thing a third world dictator or anarchist does when taking over a government ( but a car club,? it seems so stupid doesn't it) is to disable the communications.
You are going to be sent a survey this morning, it has biu one question.
Do you want me to fight and give you the club that you deserve, to continue these improvements and finish dragging us out of the 80's and into the 21st century?
or
Do you want us, Mike Burnett, Laurie Basile and I to just give up and let the weak have the club and be at the continued direction of
very, very small group* of haters and bullies letting
the club revert back to the way it was for the last 20 years?
You know I love a fight, you know I love to stand up to bullies, so do not worry about us, we can handle it if that is what you want.
* It should be noted that Rob D'Orazio attempted to have his small 30 member Chapter leave POCA last month and could not even manage to convince his own club to follow him.
If you indicate a fight, look for it to be epic. If you wish to return to the past, the three of us will resign ( as soon as Bob reid reimburses the $7,000 I am owed by the club for the new cards,
New POCA store items,and other expenses)
I await the results of the survey, I apologize this has happened and I hope that you will indicate in strong numbers your displeasure at
actions of 10 people over the rest of us ( 857 ).
Thank you,
Michael Shortt
STILL President
POCA -- Michael L. Shortt Savannah, Georgia [4][11]michael@michaelshortt.com 912-232-9390
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