You should talk with Tony Ortiz in Arizona. He modified his Pantera to install front and rear GT40 clips.

On Jul 31, 2016, at 6:17 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:

Hi Rod, My plan is to modify the area behind the radiator for a large vent. I'm taking out the light bar and will go to two motors or just clear covers, haven't decided yet. I took some rough measurements and plan to move the front of the trunk to where the flat part of the floor ends. That gives me about 24 inches from the nose without losing much useful storage. Kinda similar to what Gary did: [webicon_green.png] [1]http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/hood/hood15.jpg

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A drawing is attached showing the current plan. Ken __________________________________________________________________

From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Ken, I have a 73L with factory vents and a spare solid hood against the wall for you to measure should you choose to do so. I wanted a GT40 look. The problem for me was the light bar located in the wrong spot for a better opening. I even thought of having two bucket motors to eliminate it. Art had tried various designs on his hood taking pics as he went thru the process. Check with him too. Rod Sent from [1]Outlook References 1. [webicon_green.png] [4]http://aka.ms/weboutlook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [webicon_gray.png] [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.

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I really like the idea of boxing the trunk in your design. It means moving the support ribs for the hood. Can you enlarge the opening by starting closer to the radiator? From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> I think photos of that car were posted a year ago? I want the car to look like a Pantera, not a GT40. en From: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com> You should talk with Tony Ortiz in Arizona. He modified his Pantera to install front and rear GT40 clips. I really like the idea of boxing the trunk in your design. It means moving the support ribs for the hood. Can you enlarge the opening by starting closer to the radiator? From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> I think photos of that car were posted a year ago? I want the car to look like a Pantera, not a GT40. en From: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com> You should talk with Tony Ortiz in Arizona. He modified his Pantera to install front and rear GT40 clips.

How about a "Gurney Lip" ? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 10:00 AM To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? My gut feeing is the opening needs to be moved back to reduce air pressure over the opening. And that probably depends on speed. Ken

Another aero device is vortex generators. I would try VGs on the L’s front bumper to provide some down force by keep air flow on the hood. Hitting the Gurney lip would create lower pressure behind it, helping coolant air flow exhaust. From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 12:07 PM To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Yes, I asked the guy making the hood to include a leading lip. That seems to make sense, and is pretty universal. Ken _____ From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? How about a "Gurney Lip" ? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 10:00 AM To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? My gut feeing is the opening needs to be moved back to reduce air pressure over the opening. And that probably depends on speed. Ken _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Another aero device is vortex generators. I would try VGs on the L's front bumper to provide some down force by keep air flow on the hood. Hitting the Gurney lip would create lower pressure behind it, helping coolant air flow exhaust. From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 12:07 PM To: Joseph F. Byrd, Jr.; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Yes, I asked the guy making the hood to include a leading lip. That seems to make sense, and is pretty universal. Ken _______________________________________________________________________ From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[1]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> To: [2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? How about a "Gurney Lip" ? -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, August 01, 2016 10:00 AM To: Rod Kunishige; [4]scottcouchman@yahoo.com Cc: [5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? My gut feeing is the opening needs to be moved back to reduce air pressure over the opening. And that probably depends on speed. Ken _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [6]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [7]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:byrdjf@embarqmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso

Just a chance to play engineer again.  From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?   This seems like an awful lot of work for little to no gain, is this a   dedicated race car that will be running the 150mph+ classes at an Open   Road Race?   Julian     __________________________________________________________________   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of   Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>   Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:00 AM   To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com   Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?   My gut feeing is the opening needs to be moved back to reduce air   pressure over the opening.  And that probably depends on speed.   Ken         From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>     To: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green   <kenn_green@yahoo.com>   Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"   <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:13 PM     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?     I really like the idea of boxing the trunk in your design.     It means moving the support ribs for the hood.     Can you enlarge the opening by starting closer to the radiator?     From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>     I think photos of that car were posted a year ago?  I want the car to     look like a Pantera, not a GT40.     en     From: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>     You should talk with Tony Ortiz in Arizona. 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Just a chance to play engineer again. __________________________________________________________________ From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:49 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? This seems like an awful lot of work for little to no gain, is this a dedicated race car that will be running the 150mph+ classes at an Open Road Race? 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Probably more correct to say I intend the car to be able to run well over 150.  Not sure if I want to drive that fast on a country road.  I would be a lot more comfortable having fun at lower speeds in an ORR, and trying the flying mile type events to see how fast the car can actually go.  The older we get, the longer it takes to heal. Ken From: James coyne <tecnosound@hotmail.com> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? #yiv2414213389 #yiv2414213389 -- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv2414213389 I believe it is indeed Ken's intension to run in the 150mph+ classes at open road events . From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:49 AM To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Ken Green; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? This seems like an awful lot of work for little to no gain, is this a dedicated race car that will be running the 150mph+ classes at an Open Road Race? Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:00 AM To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? My gut feeing is the opening needs to be moved back to reduce air pressure over the opening.  And that probably depends on speed. Ken       From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>  To: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>  Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:13 PM  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?   I really like the idea of boxing the trunk in your design.   It means moving the support ribs for the hood.   Can you enlarge the opening by starting closer to the radiator?   From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>   I think photos of that car were posted a year ago?  I want the car to   look like a Pantera, not a GT40.   en   From: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>   You should talk with Tony Ortiz in Arizona. He modified his Pantera to   install front and rear GT40 clips. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso | DeTomaso Info Pageserver.detomasolist.comThis is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... | DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Probably more correct to say I intend the car to be able to run well over 150. Not sure if I want to drive that fast on a country road. I would be a lot more comfortable having fun at lower speeds in an ORR, and trying the flying mile type events to see how fast the car can actually go. The older we get, the longer it takes to heal. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: James coyne <tecnosound@hotmail.com> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? I believe it is indeed Ken's intension to run in the 150mph+ classes at open road events . __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:49 AM To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Ken Green; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? This seems like an awful lot of work for little to no gain, is this a dedicated race car that will be running the 150mph+ classes at an Open Road Race? Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:00 AM To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? My gut feeing is the opening needs to be moved back to reduce air pressure over the opening. And that probably depends on speed. Ken From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> To: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? I really like the idea of boxing the trunk in your design. It means moving the support ribs for the hood. Can you enlarge the opening by starting closer to the radiator? From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> I think photos of that car were posted a year ago? I want the car to look like a Pantera, not a GT40. en From: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com> You should talk with Tony Ortiz in Arizona. He modified his Pantera to install front and rear GT40 clips. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso [2]DeTomaso Info Page server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... 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From Goran's website (http://www.hemipanter.se/#Aerodynamic): "My own design front hood. All air passing through radiator is coming out here. I made this for my first Pantera. Altrouhgt this on is used on Bjorn Carapis 219 mph car.He did not experience any speed front end lift." Ken

From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: James coyne <tecnosound@hotmail.com>; Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?   Okay, let's put our engineering hats on and have some fun   technical discussion..... it sure beats the discussion over POCA of   late!   I think (but readily admit my engineering degree is not in   aerodynamics!) hood vents and location play a minor part in overall   aerodynamics.   Hood vents are a great way to provide additional cooling in traffic,   but perhaps  limited value at high speed when the front of the hood   becomes a high pressure area. Now you have opposing forces at play   and at speed 'x'  the pressure is likely enough to overcome that   produced by the radiator fans (I imagine that 'x' would not   be excessively high, perhaps even highway cruising speed). So   outside air now reverse enters the hood vents or at a minimum restricts   fan flow resulting in air that is forced under the car i.e. back to   the original Ford design concept. A Gurney lip on the frontal edge   of hood vents would help create a low pressure area, but I still   believe the air from the radiators will ultimately be forced under the   car at some speed now x+y.   As testament to the pressures on the hood Larry Stock told me that Mike   Cooke collapsed an aluminum hood at high speed.   As alternative thinking, most cars that employ an aerodynamic frontal   hood vent do so in combination with a full flat underside. I think this   is a critical element in the success of the design and one without the   other is likely non productive. Furthermore most running Pantera's in   ORR have reported that a front air dam is a key element in preventing   front end lift at +150mph, again attesting to restricting air flow   under the car is the most critical element.  I'd go for the front air   dam in combination with a fully enclosed flat floor/tray as my first   modifications and leave cutting the front trunk aspect (and the   ensuing frontal rigidity impact).   As an a side the popular radiator fan shrouds also become restrictive   at high speed and require opening up, some have achieved this with   simple hinged flaps that can freely open as the pressure through the   radiator increases.   Julian     __________________________________________________________________   From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>   Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 10:28 AM   To: James coyne; Julian Kift; Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com;   detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?   Probably more correct to say I intend the car to be able to run well   over 150.  Not sure if I want to drive that fast on a country road.  I   would be a lot more comfortable having fun at lower speeds in an ORR,   and trying the flying mile type events to see how fast the car can   actually go.   The older we get, the longer it takes to heal.   Ken     __________________________________________________________________   From: James coyne <tecnosound@hotmail.com>   To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Rod Kunishige   <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; "scottcouchman@yahoo.com"   <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>;   "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>   Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 9:00 AM   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?   I believe it is indeed Ken's intension to run in the 150mph+ classes at   open road events .     __________________________________________________________________   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of   Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>   Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:49 AM   To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Ken Green;   detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?   This seems like an awful lot of work for little to no gain, is this a   dedicated race car that will be running the 150mph+ classes at an Open   Road Race?   Julian   ________________________________   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of   Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>   Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:00 AM   To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com   Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?   My gut feeing is the opening needs to be moved back to reduce air   pressure over the opening.  And that probably depends on speed.   Ken         From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>     To: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green   <kenn_green@yahoo.com>   Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"   <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:13 PM     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?     I really like the idea of boxing the trunk in your design.     It means moving the support ribs for the hood.     Can you enlarge the opening by starting closer to the radiator?     From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>     I think photos of that car were posted a year ago?  I want the car to     look like a Pantera, not a GT40.     en     From: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>     You should talk with Tony Ortiz in Arizona. He modified his Pantera   to     install front and rear GT40 clips.   _______________________________________________   Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA   Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes   DeTomaso mailing list   DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com   [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   [2]DeTomaso Info Page   server.detomasolist.com   This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an   unmoderated mailing list ...   [3]DeTomaso Info Page   server.detomasolist.com   This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the   discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. 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References   1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso   4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. From Goran's website (http://www.hemipanter.se/#Aerodynamic): "My own design front hood. All air passing through radiator is coming out here. I made this for my first Pantera. Altrouhgt this on is used on Bjorn Carapis 219 mph car.He did not experience any speed front end lift." Ken Inline image __________________________________________________________________ From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> To: James coyne <tecnosound@hotmail.com>; Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 7:55 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Okay, let's put our engineering hats on and have some fun technical discussion..... it sure beats the discussion over POCA of late! I think (but readily admit my engineering degree is not in aerodynamics!) hood vents and location play a minor part in overall aerodynamics. Hood vents are a great way to provide additional cooling in traffic, but perhaps limited value at high speed when the front of the hood becomes a high pressure area. Now you have opposing forces at play and at speed 'x' the pressure is likely enough to overcome that produced by the radiator fans (I imagine that 'x' would not be excessively high, perhaps even highway cruising speed). So outside air now reverse enters the hood vents or at a minimum restricts fan flow resulting in air that is forced under the car i.e. back to the original Ford design concept. A Gurney lip on the frontal edge of hood vents would help create a low pressure area, but I still believe the air from the radiators will ultimately be forced under the car at some speed now x+y. As testament to the pressures on the hood Larry Stock told me that Mike Cooke collapsed an aluminum hood at high speed. As alternative thinking, most cars that employ an aerodynamic frontal hood vent do so in combination with a full flat underside. I think this is a critical element in the success of the design and one without the other is likely non productive. Furthermore most running Pantera's in ORR have reported that a front air dam is a key element in preventing front end lift at +150mph, again attesting to restricting air flow under the car is the most critical element. I'd go for the front air dam in combination with a fully enclosed flat floor/tray as my first modifications and leave cutting the front trunk aspect (and the ensuing frontal rigidity impact). As an a side the popular radiator fan shrouds also become restrictive at high speed and require opening up, some have achieved this with simple hinged flaps that can freely open as the pressure through the radiator increases. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Ken Green <[1]kenn_green@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 10:28 AM To: James coyne; Julian Kift; Rod Kunishige; [2]scottcouchman@yahoo.com; [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Probably more correct to say I intend the car to be able to run well over 150. Not sure if I want to drive that fast on a country road. I would be a lot more comfortable having fun at lower speeds in an ORR, and trying the flying mile type events to see how fast the car can actually go. The older we get, the longer it takes to heal. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: James coyne <[4]tecnosound@hotmail.com> To: Julian Kift <[5]julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Rod Kunishige <[6]rkunishige@hotmail.com>; "[7]scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <[8]scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <[9]kenn_green@yahoo.com>; "[10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? I believe it is indeed Ken's intension to run in the 150mph+ classes at open road events . __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[12]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <[13]julian_kift@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:49 AM To: Rod Kunishige; [14]scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Ken Green; [15]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? 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I might respectfully disagree (obviously not having tested this on my own...) The airflow over the car (like that over a wing) will be accelerated. The air going over the top of the car will create lift (as in the front of the stock Pantera lifting up at speeds above 125 mph, such that handling gets squirrely). This lift is due to low pressure over the top of the car (again like an airplane wing), which will tend to pull air out through the hood vents. I agree that ducting like GT-40s, Goran's picture, and Comp2 will be much more efficient at exhausting air than the hibacci grates that most use. I do agree this effect would be more pronounced with a flat bottom. Chuck -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 7:55 AM To: James coyne; Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; Ken Green Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Okay, let's put our engineering hats on and have some fun technical discussion..... it sure beats the discussion over POCA of late! I think (but readily admit my engineering degree is not in aerodynamics!) hood vents and location play a minor part in overall aerodynamics. Hood vents are a great way to provide additional cooling in traffic, but perhaps limited value at high speed when the front of the hood becomes a high pressure area. Now you have opposing forces at play and at speed 'x' the pressure is likely enough to overcome that produced by the radiator fans (I imagine that 'x' would not be excessively high, perhaps even highway cruising speed). So outside air now reverse enters the hood vents or at a minimum restricts fan flow resulting in air that is forced under the car i.e. back to the original Ford design concept. A Gurney lip on the frontal edge of hood vents would help create a low pressure area, but I still believe the air from the radiators will ultimately be forced under the car at some speed now x+y. As testament to the pressures on the hood Larry Stock told me that Mike Cooke collapsed an aluminum hood at high speed. As alternative thinking, most cars that employ an aerodynamic frontal hood vent do so in combination with a full flat underside. I think this is a critical element in the success of the design and one without the other is likely non productive. Furthermore most running Pantera's in ORR have reported that a front air dam is a key element in preventing front end lift at +150mph, again attesting to restricting air flow under the car is the most critical element. I'd go for the front air dam in combination with a fully enclosed flat floor/tray as my first modifications and leave cutting the front trunk aspect (and the ensuing frontal rigidity impact). As an a side the popular radiator fan shrouds also become restrictive at high speed and require opening up, some have achieved this with simple hinged flaps that can freely open as the pressure through the radiator increases. Julian ________________________________ From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 10:28 AM To: James coyne; Julian Kift; Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Probably more correct to say I intend the car to be able to run well over 150. Not sure if I want to drive that fast on a country road. I would be a lot more comfortable having fun at lower speeds in an ORR, and trying the flying mile type events to see how fast the car can actually go. The older we get, the longer it takes to heal. Ken ________________________________ From: James coyne <tecnosound@hotmail.com> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? I believe it is indeed Ken's intension to run in the 150mph+ classes at open road events . ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:49 AM To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Ken Green; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? This seems like an awful lot of work for little to no gain, is this a dedicated race car that will be running the 150mph+ classes at an Open Road Race? 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Understood Chuck, and at about 180 MPH the rear of the Pantera will lift off due this effect but not the front because of the downward pressure from the frontal hood area. An aluminum front hood will actually collapse inward at about the same speed. Larry On 8/2/16, 7:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Chuck and Linda Huber" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of lindahuber@cox.net> wrote:

I might respectfully disagree (obviously not having tested this on my own...)

The airflow over the car (like that over a wing) will be accelerated. The air going over the top of the car will create lift (as in the front of the stock Pantera lifting up at speeds above 125 mph, such that handling gets squirrely). This lift is due to low pressure over the top of the car (again like an airplane wing), which will tend to pull air out through the hood vents.

I agree that ducting like GT-40s, Goran's picture, and Comp2 will be much more efficient at exhausting air than the hibacci grates that most use.

I do agree this effect would be more pronounced with a flat bottom.

Chuck

-----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 2, 2016 7:55 AM To: James coyne; Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; Ken Green Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?

Okay, let's put our engineering hats on and have some fun technical discussion..... it sure beats the discussion over POCA of late!

I think (but readily admit my engineering degree is not in aerodynamics!) hood vents and location play a minor part in overall aerodynamics.

Hood vents are a great way to provide additional cooling in traffic, but perhaps limited value at high speed when the front of the hood becomes a high pressure area. Now you have opposing forces at play and at speed 'x' the pressure is likely enough to overcome that produced by the radiator fans (I imagine that 'x' would not be excessively high, perhaps even highway cruising speed). So outside air now reverse enters the hood vents or at a minimum restricts fan flow resulting in air that is forced under the car i.e. back to the original Ford design concept. A Gurney lip on the frontal edge of hood vents would help create a low pressure area, but I still believe the air from the radiators will ultimately be forced under the car at some speed now x+y.

As testament to the pressures on the hood Larry Stock told me that Mike Cooke collapsed an aluminum hood at high speed.

As alternative thinking, most cars that employ an aerodynamic frontal hood vent do so in combination with a full flat underside. I think this is a critical element in the success of the design and one without the other is likely non productive. Furthermore most running Pantera's in ORR have reported that a front air dam is a key element in preventing front end lift at +150mph, again attesting to restricting air flow under the car is the most critical element. I'd go for the front air dam in combination with a fully enclosed flat floor/tray as my first modifications and leave cutting the front trunk aspect (and the ensuing frontal rigidity impact).

As an a side the popular radiator fan shrouds also become restrictive at high speed and require opening up, some have achieved this with simple hinged flaps that can freely open as the pressure through the radiator increases.

Julian

________________________________ From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 10:28 AM To: James coyne; Julian Kift; Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?

Probably more correct to say I intend the car to be able to run well over 150. Not sure if I want to drive that fast on a country road. I would be a lot more comfortable having fun at lower speeds in an ORR, and trying the flying mile type events to see how fast the car can actually go.

The older we get, the longer it takes to heal.

Ken

________________________________ From: James coyne <tecnosound@hotmail.com> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 9:00 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?

I believe it is indeed Ken's intension to run in the 150mph+ classes at open road events .

________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:49 AM To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com; Ken Green; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?

This seems like an awful lot of work for little to no gain, is this a dedicated race car that will be running the 150mph+ classes at an Open Road Race?

Julian

________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 7:00 AM To: Rod Kunishige; scottcouchman@yahoo.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?

My gut feeing is the opening needs to be moved back to reduce air pressure over the opening. And that probably depends on speed. Ken

From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> To: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>; Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 10:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?

I really like the idea of boxing the trunk in your design.

It means moving the support ribs for the hood.

Can you enlarge the opening by starting closer to the radiator? From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> I think photos of that car were posted a year ago? I want the car to look like a Pantera, not a GT40. en From: "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com> You should talk with Tony Ortiz in Arizona. He modified his Pantera to install front and rear GT40 clips.

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YES ROD, just to create enough turbulence to keep the lift off the tail end, That is also why I developed a rear defuser under the Pantera. With a 3.2 R&P I did run up to 200 MPH with complete aero stability. With the stock GTS fiberglass front Spoiler I remember doing my best to straddle the Hwy 318 SilverState centerline badly at 155 MPH MAX, so I developed the race lip GT4 style Air Dam with up to 500 pounds of downforce designed into it and then added a lower wing under it. Good for 200+ Larry From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 12:43 PM To: Larry Stock <Larrys@PanteraParts.com>, Chuck and Linda Huber <lindahuber@cox.net>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com>, 'James coyne' <tecnosound@hotmail.com>, "scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <scottcouchman@yahoo.com>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>, 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Is this why you had 5-6" rear spoiler years ago? Rod From: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 12:35 Understood Chuck, and at about 180 MPH the rear of the Pantera will lift off due this effect but not the front because of the downward pressure from the frontal hood area. An aluminum front hood will actually collapse inward at about the same speed. Larry YES ROD, just to create enough turbulence to keep the lift off the tail end, That is also why I developed a rear defuser under the Pantera. With a 3.2 R&P I did run up to 200 MPH with complete aero stability. With the stock GTS fiberglass front Spoiler I remember doing my best to straddle the Hwy 318 SilverState centerline badly at 155 MPH MAX, so I developed the race lip GT4 style Air Dam with up to 500 pounds of downforce designed into it and then added a lower wing under it. Good for 200+ Larry From: Rod Kunishige <[1]rkunishige@hotmail.com> Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 at 12:43 PM To: Larry Stock <[2]Larrys@PanteraParts.com>, Chuck and Linda Huber <[3]lindahuber@cox.net>, 'Julian Kift' <[4]julian_kift@hotmail.com>, 'James coyne' <[5]tecnosound@hotmail.com>, "[6]scottcouchman@yahoo.com" <[7]scottcouchman@yahoo.com>, "[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>, 'Ken Green' <[10]kenn_green@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Is this why you had 5-6" rear spoiler years ago? Rod __________________________________________________________________ From: Larry Stock <[11]larrys@panteraparts.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 3, 2016 12:35 Understood Chuck, and at about 180 MPH the rear of the Pantera will lift off due this effect but not the front because of the downward pressure from the frontal hood area. An aluminum front hood will actually collapse inward at about the same speed. Larry References 1. mailto:rkunishige@hotmail.com 2. mailto:Larrys@PanteraParts.com 3. mailto:lindahuber@cox.net 4. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com 5. mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com 6. mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com 7. mailto:scottcouchman@yahoo.com 8. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com 11. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com

I am constantly amazed at the Pantera pride's (yes I know) ingenuity to invent, engineer, create, envision, parts & systems. (Maybe in annual Rallies in the future, there could be official seminars, and let BS sessions go on.) ---BILL Lewis ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Lynn Wall <lwall67@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 1:23 PM To: 'Ken Green'; 'Rod Kunishige' Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Hey Rod, I had a problem with my hood where it made it easier to install large "GT40" style vents then to restore the hood to stock. I too had to remove my light bar to make room but I love the look and the fit. To make the lights function I ordered the following from Detroit speed. They demonstrated the product at SEMA and then I had to wait for them to finish the design and put it into production. http://www.detroitspeed.com/1963-1967-Corvette-Products/122006-headlight-doo... [http://detroitspeed.com/images/122006-001-lg.jpg]<http://www.detroitspeed.com/1963-1967-Corvette-Products/122006-headlight-door-kit.html> Detroit Speed, Inc. - Electrical - 1963-1967 Corvette ...<http://www.detroitspeed.com/1963-1967-Corvette-Products/122006-headlight-door-kit.html> www.detroitspeed.com Electric Headlight Door Kit. The Detroit Speed Inc. Electric Headlight Door Kit replaces the stock vacuum actuated system on all 1968-82 Corvettes. Kind of expensive but the engineering is incredible and it works VERY smooth. We are in the process of doing the final install. I had some custom brackets made so that they can be installed with or without the fenders on (my passenger fender is off and my driver fender is on). By the way I am using Kirks kit that lowers the headlight buckets. The mechanism does not require any limit switches as all of that works within the system based on load and resistance. Great product. If you are interested and would like to order a set of the brackets let me know. I do not sell them (my body and paint guy does) and I do not have a financial interest in them. Hope that gives you options. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 7:17 PM To: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Hi Rod, My plan is to modify the area behind the radiator for a large vent. I'm taking out the light bar and will go to two motors or just clear covers, haven't decided yet. I took some rough measurements and plan to move the front of the trunk to where the flat part of the floor ends. That gives me about 24 inches from the nose without losing much useful storage. Kinda similar to what Gary did: http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/hood/hood15.jpg | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | View on www.rc-tech.net<http://www.rc-tech.net> | Preview by Yahoo | | | | A drawing is attached showing the current plan. Ken From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Ken, I have a 73L with factory vents and a spare solid hood against the wall for you to measure should you choose to do so. I wanted a GT40 look. The problem for me was the light bar located in the wrong spot for a better opening. I even thought of having two bucket motors to eliminate it. Art had tried various designs on his hood taking pics as he went thru the process. Check with him too. Rod Sent from [1]Outlook References 1. http://aka.ms/weboutlook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I am constantly amazed at the Pantera pride's (yes I know) ingenuity to invent, engineer, create, envision, parts & systems. (Maybe in annual Rallies in the future, there could be official seminars, and let BS sessions go on.) ---BILL Lewis __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Lynn Wall <lwall67@gmail.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 1:23 PM To: 'Ken Green'; 'Rod Kunishige' Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Hey Rod, I had a problem with my hood where it made it easier to install large "GT40" style vents then to restore the hood to stock. I too had to remove my light bar to make room but I love the look and the fit. To make the lights function I ordered the following from Detroit speed. They demonstrated the product at SEMA and then I had to wait for them to finish the design and put it into production. [1]http://www.detroitspeed.com/1963-1967-Corvette-Products/122006-headl ight-door-kit.html [2][122006-001-lg.jpg] [3]Detroit Speed, Inc. - Electrical - 1963-1967 Corvette ... www.detroitspeed.com Electric Headlight Door Kit. The Detroit Speed Inc. Electric Headlight Door Kit replaces the stock vacuum actuated system on all 1968-82 Corvettes. Kind of expensive but the engineering is incredible and it works VERY smooth. We are in the process of doing the final install. I had some custom brackets made so that they can be installed with or without the fenders on (my passenger fender is off and my driver fender is on). By the way I am using Kirks kit that lowers the headlight buckets. The mechanism does not require any limit switches as all of that works within the system based on load and resistance. Great product. If you are interested and would like to order a set of the brackets let me know. I do not sell them (my body and paint guy does) and I do not have a financial interest in them. Hope that gives you options. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 7:17 PM To: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Hi Rod, My plan is to modify the area behind the radiator for a large vent. I'm taking out the light bar and will go to two motors or just clear covers, haven't decided yet. I took some rough measurements and plan to move the front of the trunk to where the flat part of the floor ends. That gives me about 24 inches from the nose without losing much useful storage. Kinda similar to what Gary did: [5]http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/hood/hood15.jpg | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | View on [6]www.rc-tech.net | Preview by Yahoo | | | | A drawing is attached showing the current plan. Ken From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Ken, I have a 73L with factory vents and a spare solid hood against the wall for you to measure should you choose to do so. I wanted a GT40 look. The problem for me was the light bar located in the wrong spot for a better opening. I even thought of having two bucket motors to eliminate it. Art had tried various designs on his hood taking pics as he went thru the process. Check with him too. Rod Sent from [1]Outlook References 1. 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Lynn,    Did you do much research on the pressure distribution over the hood at high speed?  Do you have photos of the modifications you made? Ken From: Lynn Wall <lwall67@gmail.com> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; 'Rod Kunishige' <rkunishige@hotmail.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 6:23 AM Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Hey Rod, I had a problem with my hood where it made it easier to install large "GT40" style vents then to restore the hood to stock. I too had to remove my light bar to make room but I love the look and the fit. To make the lights function I ordered the following from Detroit speed.  They demonstrated the product at SEMA and then I had to wait for them to finish the design and put it into production.  http://www.detroitspeed.com/1963-1967-Corvette-Products/122006-headlight-doo... Kind of expensive but the engineering is incredible and it works VERY smooth.  We are in the process of doing the final install.  I had some custom brackets made so that they can be installed with or without the fenders on (my passenger fender is off and my driver fender is on). By the way I am using Kirks kit that lowers the headlight buckets. The mechanism does not require any limit switches as all of that works within the system based on load and resistance. Great product. If you are interested and would like to order a set of the brackets let me know.  I do not sell them (my body and paint guy does) and I do not have a financial interest in them. Hope that gives you options. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 7:17 PM To: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Hi Rod,     My plan is to modify the area behind the radiator for a large vent.  I'm taking out the light bar and will go to two motors or just clear covers, haven't decided yet.   I took some rough measurements and plan to move the front of the trunk to where the flat part of the floor ends.  That gives me about 24 inches from the nose without losing much useful storage.     Kinda similar to what Gary did:  http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/hood/hood15.jpg |  | |  |  |  |  |  |  |  | |  | |  | | View on www.rc-tech.net | Preview by Yahoo |  | |  |     A drawing is attached showing the current plan. Ken       From: Rod Kunishige <rkunishige@hotmail.com> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?     Ken,   I have a 73L with factory vents and a spare solid hood against the wall   for you to measure should you choose to do so.  I wanted a GT40 look.   The problem for me was the light bar located in the wrong spot for a   better opening.  I even thought of having two bucket motors to   eliminate it.   Art had tried various designs on his hood taking pics as he went thru   the process.  Check with him too.   Rod   Sent from [1]Outlook References   1. http://aka.ms/weboutlook _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.   Lynn, Did you do much research on the pressure distribution over the hood at high speed? Do you have photos of the modifications you made? Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Lynn Wall <lwall67@gmail.com> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; 'Rod Kunishige' <rkunishige@hotmail.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 6:23 AM Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Hey Rod, I had a problem with my hood where it made it easier to install large "GT40" style vents then to restore the hood to stock. I too had to remove my light bar to make room but I love the look and the fit. To make the lights function I ordered the following from Detroit speed. They demonstrated the product at SEMA and then I had to wait for them to finish the design and put it into production. [1]http://www.detroitspeed.com/1963-1967-Corvette-Products/122006-headl ight-door-kit.html Kind of expensive but the engineering is incredible and it works VERY smooth. We are in the process of doing the final install. I had some custom brackets made so that they can be installed with or without the fenders on (my passenger fender is off and my driver fender is on). By the way I am using Kirks kit that lowers the headlight buckets. The mechanism does not require any limit switches as all of that works within the system based on load and resistance. Great product. If you are interested and would like to order a set of the brackets let me know. I do not sell them (my body and paint guy does) and I do not have a financial interest in them. Hope that gives you options. Lynn -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 7:17 PM To: Rod Kunishige <[3]rkunishige@hotmail.com>; [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Hi Rod, My plan is to modify the area behind the radiator for a large vent. I'm taking out the light bar and will go to two motors or just clear covers, haven't decided yet. I took some rough measurements and plan to move the front of the trunk to where the flat part of the floor ends. That gives me about 24 inches from the nose without losing much useful storage. Kinda similar to what Gary did: [5]http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/hood/hood15.jpg | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | View on www.rc-tech.net | Preview by Yahoo | | | | A drawing is attached showing the current plan. Ken From: Rod Kunishige <[6]rkunishige@hotmail.com> To: "[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:08 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Ken, I have a 73L with factory vents and a spare solid hood against the wall for you to measure should you choose to do so. I wanted a GT40 look. The problem for me was the light bar located in the wrong spot for a better opening. I even thought of having two bucket motors to eliminate it. Art had tried various designs on his hood taking pics as he went thru the process. Check with him too. Rod Sent from [1]Outlook References 1. 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If the opening is large, there won't be much pressure built so I think just a rubber gasket would work, and I'll try to lean from what Gary has already done. Ken From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> To: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?   Nice idea. How do you seal the hood to the new cutout so hot air   doesn't get into the front trunk?   Jeff   6559   On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso   <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:     A  A Hi Rod,     A  A  A  A  My plan is to modify the area behind the radiator for a     large     A  A vent.A  I'm taking out the light bar and will go to two motors     or just     A  A clear covers, haven't decided yet.     A  A  A  I took some rough measurements and plan to move the front     of the     A  A trunk to where the flat part of the floor ends.A  That gives me     about 24     A  A inches from the nose without losing much useful storage.     A  A  A  A Kinda similar to what Gary did:A  [webicon_green.png]     A  A [1][2]http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/hood/hood15.jpg     A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  A  [2]image     A  A [webicon_green.png]     A  A [webicon_green.png] [3]View on [3]www.rc-tech.net     A  A Preview by Yahoo     A  A  A  A A drawing is attached showing the current plan.     A  A Ken     A  A     A __________________________________________________________________     A  A From: Rod Kunishige <[4]rkunishige@hotmail.com>     A  A To: "[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"     A  A <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>     A  A Sent: Sunday, July 31, 2016 4:08 PM     A  A Subject: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs?     A  A  A Ken,     A  A  A I have a 73L with factory vents and a spare solid hood     against the     A  A wall     A  A  A for you to measure should you choose to do so.A  I wanted a     GT40 look.     A  A  A The problem for me was the light bar located in the wrong     spot for a     A  A  A better opening.A  I even thought of having two bucket motors     to     A  A  A eliminate it.     A  A  A Art had tried various designs on his hood taking pics as he     went thru     A  A  A the process.A  Check with him too.     A  A  A Rod     A  A  A Sent from [1]Outlook     A  A References     A  A  A 1. 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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. If the opening is large, there won't be much pressure built so I think just a rubber gasket would work, and I'll try to lean from what Gary has already done. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> To: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, August 1, 2016 8:07 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? Nice idea. How do you seal the hood to the new cutout so hot air doesn't get into the front trunk? Jeff 6559 On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 8:17 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso <[1][1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A Hi Rod, A A A A My plan is to modify the area behind the radiator for a large A A vent.A I'm taking out the light bar and will go to two motors or just A A clear covers, haven't decided yet. A A A I took some rough measurements and plan to move the front of the A A trunk to where the flat part of the floor ends.A That gives me about 24 A A inches from the nose without losing much useful storage. A A A A Kinda similar to what Gary did:A [webicon_green.png] A A [1][2][2]http://www.rc-tech.net/pantera1/hood/hood15.jpg A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A A [2]image A A [webicon_green.png] A A [webicon_green.png] [3]View on [3]www.rc-tech.net A A Preview by Yahoo A A A A A drawing is attached showing the current plan. 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