Radiator Dilemma

9 Aug 2016

Interesting topic.  I have a fluidyne radiator in my car installed by the PO several years ago. No leaks at all at this point. I bought a zinc anode and plan on putting it in on the next flush:Here is the one I bought from Amazon  
Are most people using distilled water mixed 50/50 with coolant?
I seem to recall reading either on the PI forum or in the newsletter that tap water is better.  
Dennis

    On Monday, August 15, 2016 1:46 PM, Thomas Tornblom <thomas@hax.se> wrote:

 I just pulled the anode for checking, and it shows no wear, which I 
attribute to the use of soft water (I have a softener in my house) and 
1/3 propylene glycol.

I cleaned it with an abrasive scotch brite and inserted it again. I'll 
check again in a couple of years.

I have not had to replace the magnesium anode in my boiler either, and 
it has been in use since 2004. It has an indicator that turns red when 
it needs to be replaced, and it is still white, which probably indicates 
that the water is soft.

Thomas

Den 2016-08-10 kl. 09:06, skrev thomas:
> I have not checked the anode since I installed it. I should perhaps do that. 😎
> I used the radiator without an anode for a few years initially.
>
> Thomas
>
>> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 08:44 skrev Roland <willibillie@live.de>:
>>
>> Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to change it in ten years?
>>
>> Roland
>>
>>> Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas Törnblom <tipo874@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in my Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for well over ten years without issues.
>>>
>>> I use propylene antifreeze and soft water.
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>>> 9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com>:
>>>>
>>>> The Pantera Parts Connection Fluidyne system with shroud and fans runs
>>>> $1250.00 complete. We have never had one fail since running the No-rossion
>>>> water treatment additive to insure the Lucas electrical back-feed doesn¹t
>>>> turn the Aluminum radiator into an anode, which is the main reason for
>>>> aluminum radiators to fail. BTW Soft water works best for filling your
>>>> system against electrolysis. Larry
>>>>
>>>> On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela MacArthur"
>>>> <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of klckmac@msn.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Jack,
>>>>>
>>>>> I received lots of good feedback on radiators recently as you may have
>>>>> seen. I have an older Hall Brass radiator that was in good shape
>>>>> overall in our car which I decided to repair for a couple hundred bucks
>>>>> and add their Mariah fans since mine were stock. Many people like the
>>>>> Hall one. Many liked aluminum, especially the Ron Davis sold by Pantera
>>>>> Performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis Quella @ [1]http://panteraperformance.com/  was recommended for
>>>>> a high quality, all tig welded aluminum setup from Ron Davis racing. I
>>>>> was told they do not stock them and they special order them as needed,
>>>>> takes about 3 weeks to a month. I believe his radiator and fans package
>>>>> are around $1600.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't heard of anyone
>>>>> but they do reference a Pantera owner on their site. They are kind of
>>>>> expensive, around $1300. There may be other Brass/copper radiators done
>>>>> by others, but I haven't seen any.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sooo, timing and money were one factor for us, plus our radiator is
>>>>> repairable and works well, will work even better once the fans and
>>>>> correct relays are in. The Hall radiator is around $600 brand new.
>>>>> [2]http://hallpantera.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> Hope this helps some, good luck.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ken MacArthur
>>>>>
>>>>> 72L 4443
>>>>>  __________________________________________________________________
>>>>>
>>>>> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
>>>>> Bill Moore <bill@incendium.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:32 PM
>>>>> To: 'Jack Donahue'; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
>>>>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello Jack:
>>>>> What seems to be the problem with your existing setup, you have had it
>>>>> 12 years ?
>>>>> Cheers:
>>>>> Please use my bill@incendium.com email address in all messages.
>>>>> Bill Moore
>>>>> Incendium Supply Ltd.
>>>>> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
>>>>> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
>>>>> 403.202.0055
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: DeTomaso [[3]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On
>>>>> Behalf Of Jack Donahue
>>>>> Sent: August-09-16 1:23 PM
>>>>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
>>>>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
>>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
>>>>> Hey all - I need some good advice on radiators. I currently have a
>>>>> Fluidyne performance unit without a shroud. I've been told that a
>>>>> shroud is a necessity, which I understand. I've had it for about 12
>>>>> years now - no leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a unit by
>>>>> Dennis Quella(?) - don't know the correct spelling or the company, but
>>>>> the last I had read from someone was just to get his radiator and "be
>>>>> done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I guess that's good) - and
>>>>> I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me asks - which is better -
>>>>> copper or aluminum? And Why? I know the copper units are heavier, but I
>>>>> am not concerned about extra weight. I am familiar with the company  -
>>>>> Brassworks - they have been at it since the early 1900's. Ken and Lela
>>>>> MacArthur had mentioned Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I know
>>>>> the discussion will generate a fair amount of opinions - which I always
>>>>> welcome, since it will generate more questions too. Looking forward to
>>>>> hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
>>>>> jack #4348
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>>>>> References
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. http://panteraperformance.com/
>>>>> 2. http://hallpantera.com/
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   Interesting topic.  I have a fluidyne radiator in my car installed by
   the PO several years ago. No leaks at all at this point. I bought a
   zinc anode and plan on putting it in on the next flush:
   Here is the one I bought from Amazon
   Inline image
   Are most people using distilled water mixed 50/50 with coolant?
   I seem to recall reading either on the PI forum or in the newsletter
   that tap water is better.
   Dennis
   On Monday, August 15, 2016 1:46 PM, Thomas Tornblom <thomas@hax.se>
   wrote:
   I just pulled the anode for checking, and it shows no wear, which I
   attribute to the use of soft water (I have a softener in my house) and
   1/3 propylene glycol.
   I cleaned it with an abrasive scotch brite and inserted it again. I'll
   check again in a couple of years.
   I have not had to replace the magnesium anode in my boiler either, and
   it has been in use since 2004. It has an indicator that turns red when
   it needs to be replaced, and it is still white, which probably
   indicates
   that the water is soft.
   Thomas
   Den 2016-08-10 kl. 09:06, skrev thomas:
   > I have not checked the anode since I installed it. I should perhaps
   do that. d-
   > I used the radiator without an anode for a few years initially.
   >
   > Thomas
   >
   >> 10 aug. 2016 kl. 08:44 skrev Roland <[1]willibillie@live.de>:
   >>
   >> Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to change it in
   ten years?
   >>
   >> Roland
   >>
   >>> Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas TAP:rnblom
   <[2]tipo874@gmail.com>:
   >>>
   >>> I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in my
   Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for well
   over ten years without issues.
   >>>
   >>> I use propylene antifreeze and soft water.
   >>>
   >>> Thomas
   >>>
   >>>> 9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock
   <[3]larrys@panteraparts.com>:
   >>>>
   >>>> The Pantera Parts Connection Fluidyne system with shroud and fans
   runs
   >>>> $1250.00 complete. We have never had one fail since running the
   No-rossion
   >>>> water treatment additive to insure the Lucas electrical back-feed
   doesnA^1t
   >>>> turn the Aluminum radiator into an anode, which is the main reason
   for
   >>>> aluminum radiators to fail. BTW Soft water works best for filling
   your
   >>>> system against electrolysis. Larry
   >>>>
   >>>> On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela MacArthur"
   >>>> <[4]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
   [5]klckmac@msn.com>
   >>>> wrote:
   >>>>
   >>>>> Jack,
   >>>>>
   >>>>> I received lots of good feedback on radiators recently as you may
   have
   >>>>> seen. I have an older Hall Brass radiator that was in good shape
   >>>>> overall in our car which I decided to repair for a couple hundred
   bucks
   >>>>> and add their Mariah fans since mine were stock. Many people like
   the
   >>>>> Hall one. Many liked aluminum, especially the Ron Davis sold by
   Pantera
   >>>>> Performance.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Dennis Quella @ [1][6]http://panteraperformance.com/ was
   recommended for
   >>>>> a high quality, all tig welded aluminum setup from Ron Davis
   racing. I
   >>>>> was told they do not stock them and they special order them as
   needed,
   >>>>> takes about 3 weeks to a month. I believe his radiator and fans
   package
   >>>>> are around $1600.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't heard of
   anyone
   >>>>> but they do reference a Pantera owner on their site. They are
   kind of
   >>>>> expensive, around $1300. There may be other Brass/copper
   radiators done
   >>>>> by others, but I haven't seen any.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Sooo, timing and money were one factor for us, plus our radiator
   is
   >>>>> repairable and works well, will work even better once the fans
   and
   >>>>> correct relays are in. The Hall radiator is around $600 brand
   new.
   >>>>> [2][7]http://hallpantera.com/
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Hope this helps some, good luck.
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Ken MacArthur
   >>>>>
   >>>>> 72L 4443
   >>>>>
   __________________________________________________________________
   >>>>>
   >>>>> From: DeTomaso <[8]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on
   behalf of
   >>>>> Bill Moore <[9]bill@incendium.com>
   >>>>> Sent: Tuesday, August 9, 2016 12:32 PM
   >>>>> To: 'Jack Donahue'; [10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
   >>>>> Cc: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
   >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
   >>>>>
   >>>>> Hello Jack:
   >>>>> What seems to be the problem with your existing setup, you have
   had it
   >>>>> 12 years ?
   >>>>> Cheers:
   >>>>> Please use my [12]bill@incendium.com email address in all
   messages.
   >>>>> Bill Moore
   >>>>> Incendium Supply Ltd.
   >>>>> Suite 416, #305-4625 Varsity Drive N.W.
   >>>>> Calgary, AB T3A 0Z9
   >>>>> 403.202.0055
   >>>>> -----Original Message-----
   >>>>> From: DeTomaso
   [[3]mailto:[13]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On
   >>>>> Behalf Of Jack Donahue
   >>>>> Sent: August-09-16 1:23 PM
   >>>>> To: [14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
   >>>>> Cc: [15]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
   >>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
   >>>>> Hey all - I need some good advice on radiators. I currently have
   a
   >>>>> Fluidyne performance unit without a shroud. I've been told that a
   >>>>> shroud is a necessity, which I understand. I've had it for about
   12
   >>>>> years now - no leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a
   unit by
   >>>>> Dennis Quella(?) - don't know the correct spelling or the
   company, but
   >>>>> the last I had read from someone was just to get his radiator and
   "be
   >>>>> done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I guess that's good)
   - and
   >>>>> I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me asks - which is better
   -
   >>>>> copper or aluminum? And Why? I know the copper units are heavier,
   but I
   >>>>> am not concerned about extra weight. I am familiar with the
   company  -
   >>>>> Brassworks - they have been at it since the early 1900's. Ken and
   Lela
   >>>>> MacArthur had mentioned Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I
   know
   >>>>> the discussion will generate a fair amount of opinions - which I
   always
   >>>>> welcome, since it will generate more questions too. Looking
   forward to
   >>>>> hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
   >>>>> jack #4348
   >>>>> _______________________________________________
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   >>>>> References
   >>>>>
   >>>>> 1. [18]http://panteraperformance.com/
   >>>>> 2. [19]http://hallpantera.com/
   >>>>> 3. mailto:[20]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com
   >>>>> 4. [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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   5. mailto:klckmac@msn.com
   6. http://panteraperformance.com/
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