Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[3]demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven". Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:demongusta@gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700 From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2@comcast.net<mailto:6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC) From: LSJ <lashdeep@yahoo.com<mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com>> To: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <1287234121.1004140.1474045730621@mail.yahoo.com<mailto:1287234121.1004140.1474045730621@mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What size wheel up front? ?LSJ central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <09791B61-DE0D-40CC-859D-437A8528952A@gmail.com<mailto:09791B61-DE0D-40CC-859D-437A8528952A@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front. Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good - (PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was ?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more repairable (which I like). jack On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote: Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> <mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com> <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front. Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good - (PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was "converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more repairable (which I like). jack On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[1]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote: Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [2]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven". Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:demongusta@gmail.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: GR2835@comcast.net<mailto:GR2835@comcast.net> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <2334BABE-726C-4D16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB@gmail.com<mailto:2334BABE-726C-4D16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I wish I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website, thanks. On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, GR2835@comcast.net<mailto:GR2835@comcast.net> wrote: Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the fan controller button on their website. I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air set on the warmest setting. Good luck Gerry in Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700 From: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4018324.17A0EF%larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:D4018324.17A0EF%larrys@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi Jack, You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have our Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds for a full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our half Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence. 11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00 11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00 11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00 11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3 $125.00 11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00 If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard radiator tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud under those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90 degree molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection LC 550 Mallory Way Carson City NV 89701 www.PanteraParts.com<http://www.PanteraParts.com> PH 775-283-4411 Fax 775-283-4410 Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627 On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> wrote: Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500 From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Good afternoon! Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 Thank you!! -------------- next part -------------- Good afternoon! Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 Thank you!! References 1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <1796334072.2409059.1474054066544@mail.yahoo.com<mailto:1796334072.2409059.1474054066544@mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, ??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here: https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/universal/pr... From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about? radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Jack, You should be able to find the fan and shroud here: [1]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/univ ersal/primary-fans.html __________________________________________________________________ From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be atried-and-provena. Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the Flex-a-liteas since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/universal/pr... 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700 From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156@aol.com<mailto:6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700 From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: LSJ <lashdeep@yahoo.com<mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <37e8f14d-dde9-3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234@comcast.net<mailto:37e8f14d-dde9-3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ /*central */ /*wines-spirits est 1934 */ /* */ /*625 e street nw */ /*washington, dc 20004*/ /* */ /*centralwines.com <http://centralwines.com/> */ /* */ /*facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> */ /* */ /*202-737-2800*/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> *To:* detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM *Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars [3]<mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700 From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <013ad905-7f93-99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb@comcast.net<mailto:013ad905-7f93-99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" I just checked Weld's website http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.html They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9" wide On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote: Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars [3]<mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I just checked Weld's website [1]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar. html They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9" wide On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote: Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars [3][2]<mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: [[3]4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[4]5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6][5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [6]http://centralwines.com/ 2. [7]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. [8]mailto:mycars@comcast.net 4. [9]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. [10]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. 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References 1. http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.html 2. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 3. mailto:4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. http://centralwines.com/ 7. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 8. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 12. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400 From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>>, Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <D401CD29.16A666%will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:D401CD29.16A666%will.kooiman@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500 From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <CAFwr-MXS50CCAQsJNmavjATb-j1RSZxcQrYF3EOYwY-xD=9Jpg@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAFwr-MXS50CCAQsJNmavjATb-j1RSZxcQrYF3EOYwY-xD=9Jpg@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble. (knocking on wood now). the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it. however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use the factory unit. Thank you sir. Cullen On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A (knocking on wood now). the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it. however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use the factory unit.A Thank you sir. Cullen On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: >Cullen, > >2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in >2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently >did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with >and ordered directly from McLeod. > >My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" > >The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout >spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had >on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG fitting >where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself, unseen of >course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line >attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up >very long against grinding by a pressure plate. > >The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking >outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. > >Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit >I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. >What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which >uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that >for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used >exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a >A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. >No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. > >While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task >of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and >unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the >transaxle and start all over again. > >The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has >been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. >Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my >experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that >road for themselves. > >Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory >details. > >Larry > >Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >[3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >[4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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References 1. mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700 From: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>>, Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <D401A883.17A144%larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:D401A883.17A144%larrys@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="EUC-KR" The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700 From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>> To: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> Cc: "<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <C4C5C3CB-D201-4825-A845-85208C7B8B62@aol.com<mailto:C4C5C3CB-D201-4825-A845-85208C7B8B62@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000 From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> To: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFFB644A895F30@CY4PR18MB1286.namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFFB644A895F30@CY4PR18MB1286.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: Rob, If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt tensioning a breeze. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm> Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm> www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: > Rob, > > If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It > eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. > It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web > site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. > > Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt > tensioning a breeze. > > [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm > > References > > 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind the bracket to tighten in ... > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 3. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: Rob, If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt tensioning a breeze. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind the bracket to tighten in ... _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 3. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700 From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <78A89D59-A850-402B-8862-ABC7DFF75CD9@aol.com<mailto:78A89D59-A850-402B-8862-ABC7DFF75CD9@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Heat? As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the McLeod systems. Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the hole that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an inspection hole. Your choice, I don't really care. Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a plug, have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in my many years of experience. I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500 From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>> To: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <CAFwr-MWHHeaX0ok7ajqCPFCdY9WbHzjGrnmoMoMYuHjYFCj-cA@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAFwr-MWHHeaX0ok7ajqCPFCdY9WbHzjGrnmoMoMYuHjYFCj-cA@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm. On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock <[1]larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of [3]will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: >Wow. > >I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. > >My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily >available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than building a new >bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. > >At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. > >-- >Will > > > > > >On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" ><[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: > >>Cullen, >> >>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in >>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently >>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with >>and ordered directly from McLeod. >> >>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" >> >>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout >>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had >>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG fitting >>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself, unseen of >>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line >>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up >>very long against grinding by a pressure plate. >> >>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking >>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. >> >>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit >>I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. >>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which >>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that >>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used >>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a >>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. >>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. >> >>While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task >>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and >>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the >>transaxle and start all over again. >> >>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has >>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. >>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my >>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that >>road for themselves. >> >>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory >>details. >> >>Larry >> >>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >>Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>DeTomaso mailing list >>[5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >>[6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >>To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>the links above. >> >>Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>approve the archiving of list messages. > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >[7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >[8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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References 1. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000 From: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Message-ID: <SN1PR07MB2254F82A006D414EA80223FCB9F30@SN1PR07MB2254.namprd07.prod.outlook.com<mailto:SN1PR07MB2254F82A006D414EA80223FCB9F30@SN1PR07MB2254.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All, I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That?s the reason for the overdrive. I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700 From: "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$@telus.net<mailto:003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$@telus.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Julian, Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with both IPSCO items installed. David -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: Rob, If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt tensioning a breeze. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . 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References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 3. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Hi All, I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission.? Manual or automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive. I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ?? Hi All, ?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since ?? 1961 and only has 25k miles, ?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. ?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will ?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete ?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. ?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an ?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or ?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used ?? regularly and would likely be run in an ?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive. ?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering ?? what would work well. ?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of? ?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. ?? Michael ?? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References ?? 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Michael: Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600 From: bill <bill@incendium.com<mailto:bill@incendium.com>> To: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>, 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <twbfe1jjjap5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843@email.android.com<mailto:twbfe1jjjap5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843@email.android.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Wow !,,,, That looks to nice to cover up..... CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with both IPSCO items installed. David -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: ?? Mike, ?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one ?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was ?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on ?? the rear. ?? Julian ???? __________________________________________________________________ ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of ?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> ?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM ?? To: David Nunn ?? Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> ?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises ?? All, ?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there ?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall ?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. ?? [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] ?? Mike ?? Sent from my iPhone ?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: ? Rob, ? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It? eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it ?? adjustable. ? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's ?? web ? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. ? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and ?? belt ? tensioning a breeze. ? [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References ? 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm ?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] ?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... ?? www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> ?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, ?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind ?? the bracket to tighten in ... _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) ?? use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward ?? any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the ?? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive ?? or approve the archiving of list messages. ?? _______________________________________________ ?? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ?? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ?? DeTomaso mailing list ?? 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Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with both IPSCO items installed. David -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > Mike, > > It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one > that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was > adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on > the rear. > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of > Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM > To: David Nunn > Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises > > All, > Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there > is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall > kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. > [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: >> Rob, >> >> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It >> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it > adjustable. >> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's > web >> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. >> >> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and > belt >> tensioning a breeze. >> >> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm >> >> References >> >> 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm > [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] > [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... > www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> > Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, > this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind > the bracket to tighten in ... >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ End of DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift@hotmail.com> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <[4]owen@tadhgcooke.com>, "[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Owen Cooke <[8]owen@tadhgcooke.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: [9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, [10]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<[13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [14]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [15]detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 15. 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Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <[16]demongusta@gmail.com> To: "[17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: "[19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[20]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[21]CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[22]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Jack Donahue <[23]demongusta@gmail.com>, "[24]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[25]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[26]D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [27]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[28]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <[29]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<[30]mailto:detomaso-bounc es@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[31]demongusta@gmail.com<[32]mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[34]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[35]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[36]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Cc: "[37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[38]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[39]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[40]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [41]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomas olist.com> [43]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America. I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job. Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science.... Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[3]demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven". Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [8]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:demongusta@gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700 From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2@comcast.net<mailto:6fa00360-0d5e-3618-1132-2455f7b0aca2@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC) From: LSJ <lashdeep@yahoo.com<mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com>> To: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <1287234121.1004140.1474045730621@mail.yahoo.com<mailto:1287234121.1004140.1474045730621@mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What size wheel up front? ?LSJ central wines-spirits?? est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 centralwines.com facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <09791B61-DE0D-40CC-859D-437A8528952A@gmail.com<mailto:09791B61-DE0D-40CC-859D-437A8528952A@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front. Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good - (PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was ?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more repairable (which I like). jack On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote: Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> <mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com> <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso <http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front. Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good - (PHPP). Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was "converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be more reliable - and more repairable (which I like). jack On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <[1]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote: Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [2]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven". Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved" - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov 2. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:demongusta@gmail.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: GR2835@comcast.net<mailto:GR2835@comcast.net> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <2334BABE-726C-4D16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB@gmail.com<mailto:2334BABE-726C-4D16-85EA-BB997B2B61CB@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I wish I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website, thanks. On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, GR2835@comcast.net<mailto:GR2835@comcast.net> wrote: Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the fan controller button on their website. I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air set on the warmest setting. Good luck Gerry in Illinois ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC) Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700 From: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4018324.17A0EF%larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:D4018324.17A0EF%larrys@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Hi Jack, You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have our Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds for a full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our half Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence. 11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00 11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00 11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00 11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3 $125.00 11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00 If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard radiator tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud under those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90 degree molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne. Larry Stock Pantera Parts Connection LC 550 Mallory Way Carson City NV 89701 www.PanteraParts.com<http://www.PanteraParts.com<http://www.PanteraParts.com<http://www.PanteraParts.com>> PH 775-283-4411 Fax 775-283-4410 Cell 1-800-DeTomaso 800-338-6627 On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> wrote: Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 8 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500 From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAFwr-MXfE-RBLar+qAHGPYYWnwSszwYufvAcAcUT2ngvZZ1Aqg@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Good afternoon! Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 Thank you!! -------------- next part -------------- Good afternoon! Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car application. [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 Thank you!! References 1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22 ------------------------------ Message: 9 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC) From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <1796334072.2409059.1474054066544@mail.yahoo.com<mailto:1796334072.2409059.1474054066544@mail.yahoo.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, ??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here: https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/universal/pr... From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about? radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Jack, You should be able to find the fan and shroud here: [1]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/univ ersal/primary-fans.html __________________________________________________________________ From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be atried-and-provena. Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the Flex-a-liteas since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/universal/pr... 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 10 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700 From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156@aol.com<mailto:6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. ------------------------------ Message: 11 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700 From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: LSJ <lashdeep@yahoo.com<mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <37e8f14d-dde9-3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234@comcast.net<mailto:37e8f14d-dde9-3ce5-f312-4dd9b1c3f234@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ /*central */ /*wines-spirits est 1934 */ /* */ /*625 e street nw */ /*washington, dc 20004*/ /* */ /*centralwines.com <http://centralwines.com/> */ /* */ /*facebook.com/CentralLiquors <http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors> */ /* */ /*202-737-2800*/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> *To:* detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> *Sent:* Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM *Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars [3]<mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://centralwines.com/ 2. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 12 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700 From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car Message-ID: <013ad905-7f93-99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb@comcast.net<mailto:013ad905-7f93-99e8-761f-878f602ee6cb@comcast.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed" I just checked Weld's website http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.html They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9" wide On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote: Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars [3]<mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- I just checked Weld's website [1]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar. html They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9" wide On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote: Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area. They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5" wide. On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote: What size wheel up front? LSJ central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 __________________________________________________________________ From: MyCars [3][2]<mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>> To: [[3]4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front. I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like? Thanks in advance for your thoughts Roy _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [[4]5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6][5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [6]http://centralwines.com/ 2. [7]http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 3. [8]mailto:mycars@comcast.net 4. [9]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. [10]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. 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References 1. http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.html 2. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 3. mailto:4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 6. http://centralwines.com/ 7. http://facebook.com/CentralLiquors 8. mailto:mycars@comcast.net 9. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 12. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 13. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 13 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400 From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>>, Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <D401CD29.16A666%will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:D401CD29.16A666%will.kooiman@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 14 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500 From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <CAFwr-MXS50CCAQsJNmavjATb-j1RSZxcQrYF3EOYwY-xD=9Jpg@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAFwr-MXS50CCAQsJNmavjATb-j1RSZxcQrYF3EOYwY-xD=9Jpg@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble. (knocking on wood now). the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it. however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use the factory unit. Thank you sir. Cullen On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A (knocking on wood now). the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it. however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use the factory unit.A Thank you sir. Cullen On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <[1]will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: >Cullen, > >2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in >2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently >did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with >and ordered directly from McLeod. > >My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" > >The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout >spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had >on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG fitting >where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself, unseen of >course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line >attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up >very long against grinding by a pressure plate. > >The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking >outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. > >Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit >I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. >What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which >uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that >for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used >exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a >A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. >No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. > >While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task >of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and >unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the >transaxle and start all over again. > >The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has >been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. >Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my >experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that >road for themselves. > >Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory >details. > >Larry > >Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >[3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >[4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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References 1. mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 15 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700 From: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>>, Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <D401A883.17A144%larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:D401A883.17A144%larrys@panteraparts.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="EUC-KR" The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700 From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>> To: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> Cc: "<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <C4C5C3CB-D201-4825-A845-85208C7B8B62@aol.com<mailto:C4C5C3CB-D201-4825-A845-85208C7B8B62@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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[1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 17 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000 From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> To: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFFB644A895F30@CY4PR18MB1286.namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:CY4PR18MB12865ADBFE3EEDECFFB644A895F30@CY4PR18MB1286.namprd18.prod.outlook.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: Rob, If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt tensioning a breeze. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm> Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm> www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind the bracket to tighten in ... _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: > Rob, > > If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It > eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. > It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web > site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. > > Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt > tensioning a breeze. > > [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm > > References > > 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind the bracket to tighten in ... > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: Rob, If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt tensioning a breeze. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind the bracket to tighten in ... _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 3. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 19 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700 From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <78A89D59-A850-402B-8862-ABC7DFF75CD9@aol.com<mailto:78A89D59-A850-402B-8862-ABC7DFF75CD9@aol.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Heat? As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the McLeod systems. Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the hole that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an inspection hole. Your choice, I don't really care. Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a plug, have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in my many years of experience. I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 20 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500 From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>> To: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>, Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out Message-ID: <CAFwr-MWHHeaX0ok7ajqCPFCdY9WbHzjGrnmoMoMYuHjYFCj-cA@mail.gmail.com<mailto:CAFwr-MWHHeaX0ok7ajqCPFCdY9WbHzjGrnmoMoMYuHjYFCj-cA@mail.gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm. On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: Wow. I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium. Rather than building a new bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. -- Will On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: Cullen, 2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod. My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate. The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again. The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves. Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details. Larry Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock <[1]larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote: The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is. Larry On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman" <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of [3]will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote: >Wow. > >I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly. > >My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily >available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A Rather than building a new >bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave. > >At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far. > >-- >Will > > > > > >On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso" ><[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: > >>Cullen, >> >>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in >>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently >>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with >>and ordered directly from McLeod. >> >>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!" >> >>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout >>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had >>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG fitting >>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself, unseen of >>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line >>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up >>very long against grinding by a pressure plate. >> >>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking >>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly. >> >>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit >>I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. >>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which >>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that >>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used >>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a >>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. >>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations. >> >>While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task >>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and >>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the >>transaxle and start all over again. >> >>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has >>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. >>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my >>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that >>road for themselves. >> >>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory >>details. >> >>Larry >> >>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo. >>_______________________________________________ >> >> >>Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >>Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >>DeTomaso mailing list >>[5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >>[6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >>To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >>the links above. >> >>Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >>message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >>They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >>approve the archiving of list messages. > > >_______________________________________________ > > >Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >DeTomaso mailing list >[7]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >[8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > >To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use >the links above. > >Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. >They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or >approve the archiving of list messages. > _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [9]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [10]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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References 1. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 9. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 10. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ------------------------------ Message: 21 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000 From: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Message-ID: <SN1PR07MB2254F82A006D414EA80223FCB9F30@SN1PR07MB2254.namprd07.prod.outlook.com<mailto:SN1PR07MB2254F82A006D414EA80223FCB9F30@SN1PR07MB2254.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi All, I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That?s the reason for the overdrive. I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 -------------- next part -------------- Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 ------------------------------ Message: 22 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700 From: "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$@telus.net<mailto:003301d21066$5739cc80$05ad6580$@telus.net>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Julian, Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with both IPSCO items installed. David -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: Mike, It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM To: David Nunn Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises All, Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: Rob, If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable. It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt tensioning a breeze. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . 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CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Hi All, I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission.? Manual or automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive. I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 ?? Hi All, ?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since ?? 1961 and only has 25k miles, ?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. ?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will ?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete ?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. ?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an ?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or ?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used ?? regularly and would likely be run in an ?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive. ?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering ?? what would work well. ?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of? ?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. ?? Michael ?? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 References ?? 1. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -------------- next part -------------- Michael: Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered. Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>> Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. Michael Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 Hi All, I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road. It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles, but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out. Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will remain. The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back. I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission. Manual or automatic, either one. It won't be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an open road race some time. That's the reason for the overdrive. I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well. What would bolt up and work. What would it come out of? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ------------------------------ Message: 24 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600 From: bill <bill@incendium.com<mailto:bill@incendium.com>> To: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>, 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Message-ID: <twbfe1jjjap5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843@email.android.com<mailto:twbfe1jjjap5dl76l23cu2gv.1474065106843@email.android.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Wow !,,,, That looks to nice to cover up..... CheersBill MooreCalgary -------- Original message --------From: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with both IPSCO items installed. David -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: ?? Mike, ?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one ?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was ?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on ?? the rear. ?? Julian ???? __________________________________________________________________ ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of ?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> ?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM ?? To: David Nunn ?? Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> ?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises ?? All, ?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there ?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall ?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. ?? [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] ?? Mike ?? Sent from my iPhone ?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: ? Rob, ? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It? eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it ?? adjustable. ? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's ?? web ? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. ? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and ?? belt ? tensioning a breeze. ? [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm References ? 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm ?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] ?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... ?? www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> ?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, ?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind ?? the bracket to tighten in ... _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) ?? use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward ?? any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the ?? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive ?? or approve the archiving of list messages. ?? _______________________________________________ ?? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ?? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ?? DeTomaso mailing list ?? 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References ?? 1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm ?? 2. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm ?? 3. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm ?? 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ?? 5. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Cheers Bill Moore Calgary -------- Original message -------- From: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with both IPSCO items installed. David -----Original Message----- From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com] Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises Julian, Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt. Mike Sent from my iPhone On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: > Mike, > > It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one > that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was > adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on > the rear. > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of > Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM > To: David Nunn > Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises > > All, > Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there > is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall > kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system. > [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>] > Mike > Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote: >> Rob, >> >> If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It >> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it > adjustable. >> It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's > web >> site so you have to call or e-mail to get details. >> >> Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and > belt >> tensioning a breeze. >> >> [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm >> >> References >> >> 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm > [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg] > [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ... > www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org> > Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, > this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind > the bracket to tighten in ... >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not >> exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list >> DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >> >> To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. >> >> Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America. I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job. Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science.... Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<[3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com> You can reach the person managing the list at detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-owner@server.det omasolist.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable. And just to keep the discussion lively - ***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
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<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable. And just to keep the discussion lively - ***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America. I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job. Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science.... Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso [1]<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) [2]<terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [4]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1][5]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <[6]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com[7]<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <[8]julian_kift@hotmail.com[9]<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <[10]owen@tadhgcooke.com[11]<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "[12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[13]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>" <[14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[15]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[16]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com[17]<mailto:detomaso-bounces@ser ve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <[18]owen@tadhgcooke.com[19]<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: [20]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[21]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist. co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, [22]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com[23]<mailto:detomaso-request@serv er .detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [24]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[25]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist. co m> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [2][26]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<[3][27]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [28]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com[29]<mailto:detomaso-request@serv er .detomasolist.com> You can reach the person managing the list at [30]detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com[31]<mailto:detomaso-owner@server.d et omasolist.com> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <[32]demongusta@gmail.com[33]<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>
To: "[34]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[35]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>" <[36]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[37]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>> Cc: "[38]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[39]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>" <[40]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[41]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[42]CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com[43]<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9- 42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[44]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov[45]<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <[46]demongusta@gmail.com[47]<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "[48]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[49]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>" <[50]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[51]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[52]D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov[53]<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl. na sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [54]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[4][55]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>[56]<mailto:thimes@ jpl.na sa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <[57]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com[58]<mailto:detomaso-bounces@ser ve r.detomasolist.com>[59]<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[60]demongusta@gmail.com[61]<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>[62]<mailto:demongu sta@gm ail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[63]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[64]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>[65]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[66]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[67]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>[68]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "[69]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[70]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>[71]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <[72]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com[73]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist .c om>[74]<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [75]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com[76]<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist. co m>[77]<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5][78]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
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<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec... With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
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<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4
protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of
The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; [1]https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-prod uct-specs-guide-2016.pdf With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone triple their
preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
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Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso
<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve
r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c
om>"
om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c the way
of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso
<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve
r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To:
detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co
m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To:
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om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID:
2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
<CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c
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<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c
om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID:
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sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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om><[6]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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Julian - do you have a good source for zddp levels in the different brands? I bought zddp additive a few years ago but have read that it does more harm than good when all is said and done. My personal philosophy is that any major brand of oil will protect your oil sufficiently, but I am concerned about zddp.. On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use.
The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings;
[1]https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-prod uct-specs-guide-2016.pdf
With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4
protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of
So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone triple their
preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on
behalf of
Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso
<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve
r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c
om>"
om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c the way
of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso
<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve
r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To:
detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co
m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To:
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2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
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suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
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sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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om><[6]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
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suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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Julian - do you have a good source for zddp levels in the different brands? I bought zddp additive a few years ago but have read that it does more harm than good when all is said and done. My personal philosophy is that any major brand of oil will protect your oil sufficiently, but I am concerned about zddp.. On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 10:02 PM, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: A A The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to A A comply with the mandated specs for street use. A A The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks A A like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit A A allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the A A various Mobil 1 offerings; A A [1][2]https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/ mobil-1-oil-prod A A uct-specs-guide-2016.pdf A A With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil A A initially to get the rings seated etc. A A Julian A A A ____________________________________________________________ ______ A A From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of A A Michael Barnes <[4]michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> A A Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM A A To: Dave Londry A A Cc: [5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions A A So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My A A engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One A A Sent from Michael's iPhone A A > On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <[6]davel@emspace.com> wrote: A A > A A > Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella A A T6. A A > It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable. A A > A A > And just to keep the discussion lively - A A > A A > ***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** A A > Dave A A > A A > A A >> On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: A A >>A A Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal A A with A A >>A A the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however A A with A A >>A A the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to A A gasoline A A >>A A formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils A A designed A A >>A A for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils A A do A A >>A A have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet A A >>A A cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually A A recommended A A >>A A by the Porsche Club of America. A A >> A A >>A A I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between A A "Rotella A A >>A A Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; A A no A A >>A A doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the A A Rotella T A A >>A A oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 A A triple A A >>A A protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. A A All A A >>A A have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would A A be the A A >>A A best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job. A A >> A A >>A A Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science.... A A >> A A >>A A Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of A A their A A >>A A preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure A A racing oils A A >>A A and marine products. A A >> A A >>A A Julian A A >> A A ____________________________________________________________ ______ A A >> A A >>A A From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com> on A A behalf of A A >>A A Himes, Terry (397C) <[8]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> A A >>A A Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM A A >>A A To: [9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A >>A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions A A >> A A >>A A Good Morning Everyone, A A >>A A I don't want to startup the oil discussion again.A But does A A anyone have A A >>A A thoughts on A A >>A A Rotella Type T 15w40.A Which is a heavy duty diesel oil.A It was A A >>A A suggested by a local A A >>A A Mustang shop.A I like to use the best oil.A A No synthetics. A A >>A A My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) A A has A A >>A A about 3,500 miles A A >>A A on it and running great. A A >>A A Thanks so much. A A >>A A Terry A A >>A A "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, A A >>A A A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" A A >>A A Terry W. Himes A A >>A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory A A >>A A Dawn Spacecraft Team A A >>A A Rosetta Sequence Team Lead A A >>A A Phone: [10](818) 393-6261 A A >>A A Cell:A A A [11](818) 653-8213 A A >>A A Fax:A A A [12](818) 393-3147 A A >>A A [13]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:[14] thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> A A >>A A From: DeTomaso A A >> A A <[15]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[16]detoma so-bounces@serve A A >>A A [17]r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift A A >>A A <[18]julian_kift@hotmail.com< mailto:[19]julian_kift@hotmail.com>> A A >>A A Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM A A >>A A To: Owen Cooke <[20]owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:[21]ow en@tadhgcooke.com>>, A A >> A A "[22]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[23]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om>" A A >> A A <[24]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[25]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om>> A A >>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 A A >>A A It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling A A system, A A >>A A although I have to wonder which of the particular changes A A contributed A A >>A A most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a A A bulk of A A >>A A the problem. A A >>A A I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it A A overheated A A >>A A in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about A A >>A A swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a A A setup. A A >>A A When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I A A found it A A >>A A was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland A A t-stat and A A >>A A voila heating issues resolved. A A >>A A It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying A A out big A A >>A A $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated A A about A A >>A A these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in A A the way A A >>A A of a good story" A A >>A A Julian A A >>A A ________________________________ A A >>A A From: DeTomaso A A >> A A <[26]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[27]detoma so-bounces@serve A A >>A A [28]r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke A A >>A A <[29]owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:[30]ow en@tadhgcooke.com>> A A >>A A Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM A A >>A A To: A A >> A A [31]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[32]detomaso@server.detomasolist.co A A >>A A m> A A >>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 A A >>A A guys A A >>A A i had overheating problems A A >>A A i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the A A rad A A >>A A back to the swirl tankA and no fitting in halls rad for it apart A A from a A A >>A A top bleed screw A A >>A A so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the A A bleed pipe A A >>A A to it A A >>A A then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock A A brackets A A >>A A and wired them directly from the batteryA to the relays A A >>A A i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder A A >>A A i removed that and fitted a new stat A A >>A A now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c A A or A A >>A A 195fA A in all conditions A A >>A A my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but A A its A A >>A A steady and i know what to expect A A >>A A very happy with result A A >>A A owen cooke A A >>A A On 16/09/2016 23:31, A A >> A A [33]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[34]detoma so-request@server A A >>A A .[35]detomasolist.com> wrote: A A >>A A Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to A A >> A A >> A A [36]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.co A A >>A A m> A A >>A A To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit A A >> A A [2][38]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A >>A A DeTomaso Info A A >>A A Page<[3][39]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/ listinfo/detomaso> A A >>A A [40]server.detomasolist.com A A >>A A This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the A A >>A A discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This A A is an A A >>A A unmoderated mailing list ... A A >>A A or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to A A >> A A >> A A [41]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[42]detoma so-request@server A A >>A A .[43]detomasolist.com> A A >>A A You can reach the person managing the list at A A >> A A >> A A [44]detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[45]detoma so-owner@server.det A A >>A A [46]omasolist.com> A A >>A A When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more A A specific A A >>A A than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." A A >>A A Daily Detomaso List Digest A A >>A A Today's Topics: A A >>A A A A A 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) A A >>A A A A A 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) A A >>A A A A A 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) A A >>A A A A A 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) A A >>A A A A A 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) A A >>A A A A A 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) A A >>A A A A A 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) A A >>A A A A A 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) A A >>A A A A A 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) A A >>A A A A 10.A McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) A A >>A A A A 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) A A >>A A A A 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) A A >>A A A A 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) A A >>A A A A 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) A A >>A A A A 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) A A >>A A A A 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) A A >>A A A A 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) A A >>A A A A 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) A A >>A A A A 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) A A >>A A A A 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) A A >>A A A A 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) A A >>A A A A 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) A A >>A A A A 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) A A >>A A A A 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) A A >> A A ------------------------------------------------------------ ---------- A A >>A A Message: 1 A A >>A A Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 A A >>A A From: Jack Donahue A A <[47]demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:[48]demongusta@gmail.com>> A A >>A A To: A A >> A A "[49]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[50]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om>" A A >> A A >> A A <[51]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[52]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om>> A A >>A A Cc: A A >> A A "[53]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[54]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om>" A A >> A A >> A A <[55]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[56]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om>> A A >>A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud A A >>A A Message-ID: A A >> A A <[57]CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:[58] CF682A66-9CF9-42 A A >>A A [59]2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> A A >>A A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 A A >>A A Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about A A >>A A radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, A A since I A A >>A A wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.A And, yes Mike Drew, I A A have to A A >>A A admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t A A broke, A A >>A A but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. A A There A A >>A A really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it A A right A A >>A A now; but I ran my idea pastA BrassworksA - who says they will A A >>A A ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be A A ?tried-and-proven?. A A >>A A Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but A A they are A A >>A A suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?A - A A >>A A sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, A A SPAL, A A >>A A and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the A A Flex-a-lite?s A A >>A A since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that A A is a A A >>A A perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone A A >>A A offered-upA a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal A A for A A >>A A me. A A >>A A So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: A A >>A A jack A A >>A A #4348 A A >>A A ------------------------------ A A >>A A Message: 2 A A >>A A Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 A A >>A A From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" A A >>A A <[60]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov< mailto:[61]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> A A >>A A To: Jack Donahue A A <[62]demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:[63]demongusta@gmail.com>>, A A >> A A >> A A "[64]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[65]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om>" A A >> A A <[66]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[67]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om>> A A >>A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud A A >>A A Message-ID: A A >> A A <[68]D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:[69]D4016E9F. 92F3B%thimes@jpl.na A A >>A A [70]sa.gov>> A A >>A A Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" A A >>A A Jack, A A >>A A Good stuff.A I too am running the original radiator with new A A fans.A I'm A A >>A A not going to change it A A >>A A now but I will follow your progress.A Someday I will have to deal A A with A A >>A A it.A So keep posting and A A >>A A I will keep saving the responses.A A ;-) A A >>A A Terry A A >>A A "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, A A >>A A A A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" A A >>A A Terry W. Himes A A >>A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory A A >>A A Dawn Spacecraft Team A A >>A A Rosetta Sequence Team Lead A A >>A A Phone: [71](818) 393-6261 A A >>A A Cell:A A A [72](818) 653-8213 A A >>A A Fax:A A A [73](818) 393-3147 A A >> A A [74]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:[75] thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:[76]thimes@jpl.na A A >>A A [77]sa.gov> A A >>A A ?? A A >>A A From: DeTomaso A A >> A A <[78]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[79]detoma so-bounces@serve A A >> A A [80]r.detomasolist.com><[2]mailto:[81]detomaso-bounces@server. detomasolist.com> A A > A A >>A A on behalf of Jack Donahue A A >> A A <[82]demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:[83]d emongusta@gmail.com><mailto:[84]demongusta@gm A A >>A A [85]ail.com>> A A >>A A Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM A A >>A A To: A A >> A A "[86]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[87]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om><[3]mailto:[88]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" A A >> A A <[89]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[90]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om><[4]mailto:[91]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> A A >>A A Cc: A A >> A A "[92]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[93]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om><[5]mailto:[94]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" A A >> A A <[95]detomaso@server.detomasolist. com<mailto:[96]detomaso@server.detomasolist.c A A >>A A om><[6]mailto:[97]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> A A >>A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud A A >>A A Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about A A >>A A radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, A A since I A A >>A A wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.A And, yes Mike Drew, I A A have to A A >>A A admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t A A broke, A A >>A A but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. A A There A A >>A A really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it A A right A A >>A A now; but I ran my idea pastA BrassworksA - who says they will A A >>A A ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be A A ?tried-and-proven?. A A >>A A Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but A A they are A A >>A A suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?A - A A >>A A sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, A A SPAL, A A >>A A and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the A A Flex-a-lite?s A A >>A A since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that A A is a A A >>A A perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone A A >>A A offered-upA a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal A A for A A >>A A me. 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Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec... With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com<mailto:davel@emspace.com>> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com<http://detomasolist.com>> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
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<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com><mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na<mailto:thimes@jpl.na> sa.gov<http://sa.gov>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov<http://sa.gov>> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com<http://ail.com>>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <[6]davel@emspace.com> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4
protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of
Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <[1]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; [2]https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-prod uct-specs-guide-2016.pdf With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Michael Barnes <[4]michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: [5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone triple their
preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian
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Himes, Terry (397C) <[8]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: [9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [10]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1][11]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso
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"[18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[19]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.c
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om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in
<[20]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[21]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.c the way
of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso
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[23]r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <[24]owen@tadhgcooke.com<[25]mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To:
[26]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[27]mailto:detomaso@server.detomas olist.co
m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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[51]2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
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suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
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[62]sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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om><[84]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
<[82]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[83]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.c they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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Julian, Is it true, racing oils, in general contain little to no detergents by design? Racing oil is usually changed often, usually after each race and detergents are not necessary. Street cars need detergents? IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Barnes [mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:12 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec... With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com<mailto:davel@emspace.com>> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com<http://detomasolist.com>> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
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<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com><mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na<mailto:thimes@jpl.na> sa.gov<http://sa.gov>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov<http://sa.gov>> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com<http://ail.com>>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
Dave, That is true, racing oils provide better wear protection, but are lower in detergents and not recommend for general street use. That said if you are a low mile user and change oil each season there's likely no harm. As said I use the Amsoil Z-Rod (Classic car formula) in my classics. I was previously using Brad Penn (old Kendall), but the local supplier disappeared (although Summit Racing now stock it) and I took the opportunity to switch to Amsoil as the Brad Penn is still a semi-synthetic. Julian ________________________________ From: Dave <dave@damardirect.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:32 AM To: Michael Barnes; Julian Kift Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Julian, Is it true, racing oils, in general contain little to no detergents by design? Racing oil is usually changed often, usually after each race and detergents are not necessary. Street cars need detergents? IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Barnes [mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:12 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec... With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com<mailto:davel@emspace.com>> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com><mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com<http://detomasolist.com>> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
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<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com><mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na<mailto:thimes@jpl.na> sa.gov<http://sa.gov>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov<http://sa.gov>> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com<http://r.detomasolist.com>><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com<http://ail.com>>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com<mailto:davel@emspace.com>> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4
protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of
Dave, That is true, racing oils provide better wear protection, but are lower in detergents and not recommend for general street use. That said if you are a low mile user and change oil each season there's likely no harm. As said I use the Amsoil Z-Rod (Classic car formula) in my classics. I was previously using Brad Penn (old Kendall), but the local supplier disappeared (although Summit Racing now stock it) and I took the opportunity to switch to Amsoil as the Brad Penn is still a semi-synthetic. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: Dave <dave@damardirect.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:32 AM To: Michael Barnes; Julian Kift Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Julian, Is it true, racing oils, in general contain little to no detergents by design? Racing oil is usually changed often, usually after each race and detergents are not necessary. Street cars need detergents? IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Barnes [[1]mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:12 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; [2]https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-prod uct-specs-guide-2016.pdf With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co. uk>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone triple their
preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian
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Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke .com>>,
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om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in
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of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso
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m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>> To:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
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suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
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To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>>,
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sa.gov<[9]http://sa.gov>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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on behalf of Jack Donahue
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om><[17]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
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suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com<mailto:davel@emspace.com>> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det omasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
From: DeTomaso
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Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com> ,
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om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso
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m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed
to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
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sa.gov<http://sa.gov>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
I'd say yes, we do need detergents in our drivers - otherwise there is potential for laying down sludge in anywhere oil can settle... Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:32 AM To: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>; Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Julian, Is it true, racing oils, in general contain little to no detergents by design? Racing oil is usually changed often, usually after each race and detergents are not necessary. Street cars need detergents? IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Barnes [mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:12 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec s-guide-2016.pdf With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det omasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.go v> pipe list.com><mailto:detomaso-owner@server.det thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.go v><mailto:thimes@jpl.na
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On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com<mailto:davel@emspace.com>> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det omasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com> ,
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om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso
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to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
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sa.gov<http://sa.gov/>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
I wonder how that works with a synthetic oil? I have drained synthetic oil that looks so good I feel guilty. I have concluded that most or all the sludge is an oxidation product on non-synthetic oil. Ken From: Stephen <steve@snclocks.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions I'd say yes, we do need detergents in our drivers - otherwise there is potential for laying down sludge in anywhere oil can settle... Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:32 AM To: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>; Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Julian, Is it true, racing oils, in general contain little to no detergents by design? Racing oil is usually changed often, usually after each race and detergents are not necessary. Street cars need detergents? IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Barnes [mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:12 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec s-guide-2016.pdf With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det omasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.go v> pipe list.com><mailto:detomaso-owner@server.det thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.go v><mailto:thimes@jpl.na
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om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <[16]davel@emspace.com<mailto:[17]davel@emspace.com>> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4
protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of
I wonder how that works with a synthetic oil? I have drained synthetic oil that looks so good I feel guilty. I have concluded that most or all the sludge is an oxidation product on non-synthetic oil. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Stephen <steve@snclocks.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions I'd say yes, we do need detergents in our drivers - otherwise there is potential for laying down sludge in anywhere oil can settle... Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:32 AM To: Michael Barnes <[2]michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>; Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Julian, Is it true, racing oils, in general contain little to no detergents by design? Racing oil is usually changed often, usually after each race and detergents are not necessary. Street cars need detergents? IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Barnes [mailto:[5]michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:12 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <[7]julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:[8]julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; [] [9]https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-prod uct-spec s-guide-2016.pdf With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[10]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[11]detomaso-bounc es@server.det omasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <[12]michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:[13]michaelbarnessrt10@hot mail.co.uk>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: [14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[15]detomaso@server.detomas olist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone triple their
preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
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Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in
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m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed
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to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <[70]demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:[71]demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:[72]d emongusta@gmail.c om>> To:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
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suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
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sa.gov< [] [105]http://sa.gov/>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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om><mailto:[136]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
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suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com <mailto:davel@emspace.com> <mailto:davel@emspace.com <mailto:davel@emspace.com> >> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det> omasolist.com>> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> <mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com <mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com> <mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com <mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com> ><mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com <mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com> > ,
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om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso
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m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed
to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
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sa.gov< <http://sa.gov/> http://sa.gov/>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
IF you had just asked me I would have said wear products were the primary component. But, being aware of how little I know (which is reinforced daily) I searched and found an SAE paper http://papers.sae.org/340090/ The abstract of which states: SINCE it appeared reasonably certain that the key to the presence of sludge deposits, regardless of form, lies in the oxidation of the oil to give the small amounts of asphaltic substances which are inevitably present, the authors prepared the following paper to summarize and appraise the evidence on this point and to present a method for measuring oil stability. After discussing sludge, its composition and effects, engine observations of oil oxidation are stated and the conclusions are reached: (a) that appreciable oxidation of each of the oils occurred in a 50-hr. run; that (b), variation in engine output markedly influenced oxidation of the oils while variation in sump temperatures did not; and (c), that even with the wide difference in the character of the oils used, chloroform insoluble material (“carbon”) did not vary greatly but appeared to be determined mainly by engine condition… In conclusion it is said that the indication is that the formation of sludge in motor oils is due primarily to asphaltenes resulting from oxidation of the oil. So, learned something today. Now, off to change the oil in our SLK. Stephen Nelson From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:33 AM To: Stephen <steve@snclocks.com>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions I wonder how that works with a synthetic oil? I have drained synthetic oil that looks so good I feel guilty. I have concluded that most or all the sludge is an oxidation product on non-synthetic oil. Ken _____ From: Stephen <steve@snclocks.com <mailto:steve@snclocks.com> > To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions I'd say yes, we do need detergents in our drivers - otherwise there is potential for laying down sludge in anywhere oil can settle... Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> ] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:32 AM To: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> >; Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com> > Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Julian, Is it true, racing oils, in general contain little to no detergents by design? Racing oil is usually changed often, usually after each race and detergents are not necessary. Street cars need detergents? IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Barnes [mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> ] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:12 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com> <mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com <mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com> >> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; <https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec> https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec s-guide-2016.pdf With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.det> omasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk <mailto:michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> >> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? 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om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <[19]davel@emspace.com<mailto:[20]davel@emspace.com>> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4
protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of
IF you had just asked me I would have said wear products were the primary component. But, being aware of how little I know (which is reinforced daily) I searched and found an SAE paper [1]http://papers.sae.org/340090/ The abstract of which states: SINCE it appeared reasonably certain that the key to the presence of sludge deposits, regardless of form, lies in the oxidation of the oil to give the small amounts of asphaltic substances which are inevitably present, the authors prepared the following paper to summarize and appraise the evidence on this point and to present a method for measuring oil stability. After discussing sludge, its composition and effects, engine observations of oil oxidation are stated and the conclusions are reached: (a) that appreciable oxidation of each of the oils occurred in a 50-hr. run; that (b), variation in engine output markedly influenced oxidation of the oils while variation in sump temperatures did not; and (c), that even with the wide difference in the character of the oils used, chloroform insoluble material ("carbon") did not vary greatly but appeared to be determined mainly by engine condition... In conclusion it is said that the indication is that the formation of sludge in motor oils is due primarily to asphaltenes resulting from oxidation of the oil. So, learned something today. Now, off to change the oil in our SLK. Stephen Nelson From: Ken Green [mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com] Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:33 AM To: Stephen <steve@snclocks.com>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions I wonder how that works with a synthetic oil? I have drained synthetic oil that looks so good I feel guilty. I have concluded that most or all the sludge is an oxidation product on non-synthetic oil. Ken _______________________________________________________________________ From: Stephen <[2]steve@snclocks.com> To: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 8:15 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions I'd say yes, we do need detergents in our drivers - otherwise there is potential for laying down sludge in anywhere oil can settle... Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[4]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, September 18, 2016 5:32 AM To: Michael Barnes <[5]michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>; Julian Kift <[6]julian_kift@hotmail.com> Cc: [7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Julian, Is it true, racing oils, in general contain little to no detergents by design? Racing oil is usually changed often, usually after each race and detergents are not necessary. Street cars need detergents? IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Barnes [mailto:[8]michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:12 PM To: Julian Kift Cc: [9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Thanks for that, I had no idea there were so many formulas Sent from Michael's iPhone On 17 Sep 2016, at 21:02, Julian Kift <[10]julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:[11]julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; [12]https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-pro duct-spec s-guide-2016.pdf With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[13]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[14]detomaso-bounc es@server.det omasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Barnes <[15]michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk<mailto:[16]michaelbarnessrt10@hot mail.co.uk>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: [17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:[18]detomaso@server.detomas olist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone triple their
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Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
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suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)"
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sa.gov<[110]http://sa.gov/>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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om><mailto:[141]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but
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suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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I use Brad Penn "Classic" IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:03 PM To: Michael Barnes; Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec... With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
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<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
I also use Brad Penn. It was recommended by a local engine rebuilder that caters to racers. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Dave <dave@damardirect.com> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>; Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 18, 2016 7:26 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions I use Brad Penn "Classic" IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift [mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:03 PM To: Michael Barnes; Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-product-spec... With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
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<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <[7]davel@emspace.com> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4
protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be
best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of
preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[8]bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <[9]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: [10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [11]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1][12]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso
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om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso
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m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed
to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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I also use Brad Penn. It was recommended by a local engine rebuilder that caters to racers. Tom 5186 -----Original Message----- From: Dave <dave@damardirect.com> To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com>; Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk>; Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sun, Sep 18, 2016 7:26 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions I use Brad Penn "Classic" IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: Julian Kift [[1]mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com] Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 4:03 PM To: Michael Barnes; Dave Londry Cc: [2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions The Mobil 1 Racing has the highest ZDDP at 1750 as it does not have to comply with the mandated specs for street use. The other weights of Mobil 1 have varying amounts of ZDDP, it looks like the 0-40W FS has 1,000 ppm which I think is the upper limit allowable for the SF rating compliance. Here's the 2016 specs of the various Mobil 1 offerings; [3]https://mobiloil.com/~/media/amer/us/pvl/files/pdfs/mobil-1-oil-prod uct-specs-guide-2016.pdf With your new rebuild you'll ideally want to use a good break in oil initially to get the rings seated etc. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[4]bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Michael Barnes <[5]michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 12:37 PM To: Dave Londry Cc: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone triple the their olist.co pipe olist.co
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <[39]demongusta@gmail.com<[40]mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To:
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2E-AD65-[51]2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[52]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<[53]mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <[54]demongusta@gmail.com<[55]mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
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sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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om><[80]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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the main advantage of synthetic oils is that they are less viscous at low temps, eg, during startup, so they get to the upper parts of the engine faster. Rotella T6 is an excellent oil and is available at Walmart for a good price. I add a little ZDDP to increase the concentration by about 200ppm to about 1400 in my Dino, but probably don't need to. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Michael Barnes <michaelbarnessrt10@hotmail.co.uk> To: Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, Sep 17, 2016 12:37 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions So , is synthetic compatible with our Cleveland engines, say 0-40 ? My engine is currently being upgraded and I am hoping to use Mobil One Sent from Michael's iPhone
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <davel@emspace.com> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4 triple protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be the best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of their preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.co m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-request@server .detomasolist.com> wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to
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<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-42 2E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.na sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[4]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.na sa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@serve r.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gm ail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.c om><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.co m><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
On 17 Sep 2016, at 19:12, Dave Londry <[1]davel@emspace.com> wrote:
Ever since the specs on Mobil 1 went to hell I've been using Rotella T6. It's got a great set of specs and they've been keeping them stable.
And just to keep the discussion lively -
***A synthetic is superior in every aspect of lubrication.*** Dave
On 2016-09-17 10:47 AM, Julian Kift wrote: Traditionally diesel oils have high levels of detergents to deal with the high sulfur, acidic conditions and higher heat etc. however with the advent of low sulfur diesels they have come closer to gasoline formulations. In fact there are a number of "Full fleet' oils designed for use in both gasoline and diesel engines now. What diesel oils do have is a high level of ZDDP required for older flat tappet cams (Rotella T is 1200 ppm ZDDP) and Rotella T is actually recommended by the Porsche Club of America.
I do think there's a bit of a contradiction in terms between "Rotella Type T 15W40" "I like to use the best oil" and "No synthetics"; no doubt synthetics are more robust than dinosaur oil and the Rotella T oils are now split into varying T grades T1 straight grade, T4
protection , T5 synthetic and T6 a synthetic extreme temperature. All have 1200 ppm of ZDDP as far as I can ascertain so the T6 would be
best, although I'm sure the lesser will do the job.
Yes it's confusing, but not rocket science....
Personally I use Amsoil Z-Rod in my classic cars and have one of
preferred customer accounts for discount as I also buy pure racing oils and marine products.
Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-[2]bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <[3]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions
Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [5]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[1][6]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso
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om>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso
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m> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed
to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31,
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2E-AD65-[45]2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[46]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<[47]mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <[48]demongusta@gmail.com<[49]mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
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sa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147
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om><[74]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list
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With a roller cam and rockers, is it even necessary to use ZDDP? Jeff 6559 With a roller cam and rockers, is it even necessary to use ZDDP? Jeff 6559
Even the most eco-fanatic oils have some, just a lot less than 1200 ppm. And you probably still have some sliding contacts - mech. fuel pump for instance? dave On 2016-09-18 8:31 AM, Jeff Detrich wrote:
With a roller cam and rockers, is it even necessary to use ZDDP? Jeff 6559
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That is what I have run for a long time now, in 3400. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 11:50 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift@hotmail.com> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <[4]owen@tadhgcooke.com>, "[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Owen Cooke <[8]owen@tadhgcooke.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: [9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, [10]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<[13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [14]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [15]detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 15. 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Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <[16]demongusta@gmail.com> To: "[17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: "[19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[20]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[21]CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[22]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Jack Donahue <[23]demongusta@gmail.com>, "[24]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[25]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[26]D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [27]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[28]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <[29]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<[30]mailto:detomaso-bounc es@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[31]demongusta@gmail.com<[32]mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[34]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[35]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[36]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Cc: "[37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[38]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[39]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[40]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [41]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomas olist.com> [43]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. That is what I have run for a long time now, in 3400. Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) __________________________________________________________________ From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 11:50 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1][1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2][2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <[3][3]julian_kift@hotmail.com> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <[4][4]owen@tadhgcooke.com>, "[5][5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[6][6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[7][7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Owen Cooke <[8][8]owen@tadhgcooke.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: [9][9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, [10][10]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [11][11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [12][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<[13][13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [14][14]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [15][15]detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <[16][16]demongusta@gmail.com> To: "[17][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[18][18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: "[19][19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[20][20]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[21][21]CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[22][22]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Jack Donahue <[23][23]demongusta@gmail.com>, "[24][24]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[25][25]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[26]D4016E9F.92F3B%[26]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [27][27]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[28]mailto:[28]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <[29][29]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<[30]mailto:detomaso-b ounc [30]es@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[31][31]demongusta@gmail.com<[32]mailto:[32]demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[33][33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[34]mailto:[34]detomaso@serve r.detoma solist.com>" <[35][35]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[36]mailto:[36]detomaso@serve r.detoma solist.com>> Cc: "[37][37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[38]mailto:[38]detomaso@serve r.detoma solist.com>" <[39][39]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[40]mailto:[40]detomaso@serve r.detoma solist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [41][41]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:[42]DeTomaso@server .detomas olist.com> [43][43]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
I thought I have heard that Chevron DELO 400 is about the same Rotella? From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift@hotmail.com> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <[4]owen@tadhgcooke.com>, "[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Owen Cooke <[8]owen@tadhgcooke.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: [9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, [10]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<[13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [14]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [15]detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <[16]demongusta@gmail.com> To: "[17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: "[19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[20]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[21]CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[22]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Jack Donahue <[23]demongusta@gmail.com>, "[24]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[25]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[26]D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [27]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[28]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <[29]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<[30]mailto:detomaso-bounc es@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[31]demongusta@gmail.com<[32]mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[34]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[35]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[36]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Cc: "[37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[38]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[39]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[40]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [41]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomas olist.com> [43]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I thought I have heard that Chevron DELO 400 is about the same Rotella? __________________________________________________________________ From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 9:50 AM Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions Good Morning Everyone, I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics. My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great. Thanks so much. Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1][1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2][2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Julian Kift <[3][3]julian_kift@hotmail.com> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <[4][4]owen@tadhgcooke.com>, "[5][5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[6][6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem. I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved. It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story" Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[7][7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Owen Cooke <[8][8]owen@tadhgcooke.com> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: [9][9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 guys i had overheating problems i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder i removed that and fitted a new stat now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect very happy with result owen cooke On 16/09/2016 23:31, [10][10]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com wrote: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to [11][11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit [12] [webicon_gray.png] [12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso DeTomaso Info Page<[13] [webicon_gray.png] [13]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> server.detomasolist.com This is the DeTomaso mailing list, a free and open forum for the discussion of issues surrounding all DeTomaso automobiles. This is an unmoderated mailing list ... or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [14][14]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at [15][15]detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: 1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C)) 3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ) 5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue) 7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock) 8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green) 10. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars) 13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman) 14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock) 16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift) 18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew) 19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch) 20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann) 21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier) 22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn) 23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill) 24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <[16][16]demongusta@gmail.com> To: "[17][17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[18][18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: "[19][19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[20][20]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[21][21]CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[22][22]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Jack Donahue <[23][23]demongusta@gmail.com>, "[24][24]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[25][25]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <[26]D4016E9F.92F3B%[26]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Jack, Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-) Terry "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [27][27]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[28]mailto:[28]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ?? From: DeTomaso <[29][29]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<[30]mailto:detomaso-b ounc [30]es@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <[31][31]demongusta@gmail.com<[32]mailto:[32]demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "[33][33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[34]mailto:[34]detomaso@serve r.detoma solist.com>" <[35][35]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[36]mailto:[36]detomaso@serve r.detoma solist.com>> Cc: "[37][37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[38]mailto:[38]detomaso@serve r.detoma solist.com>" <[39][39]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[40]mailto:[40]detomaso@serve r.detoma solist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [41][41]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:[42]DeTomaso@server .detomas olist.com> [43] [webicon_gray.png] [43]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
Terry. I am using Lucas Hot Rod & Classic High Zinc 10W-40 in my Pre-L 1972 Pantera. I live in So Cal as you do, and feel the 10W-40 is right for our climate. My Pantera 351C has never been overhauled and has only 35K miles on it. My 351C has, as you say, only the normal upgrades. I am changing the oil annually and drain it with the oil fully warmed up. I recently replaced the valve cover gaskets to help keep my ceramic coated headers cleaner and found a lot of sludge on the inside surfaces of the covers. So the detergent level in my oil is important. The most important additive to this Lucas oil is the high ZDDP value of 2200 ppm to coat the sliding surfaces on a cold start. John 3269 ---- "Himes wrote:
Good Morning Everyone,
I don't want to startup the oil discussion again. But does anyone have thoughts on Rotella Type T 15w40. Which is a heavy duty diesel oil. It was suggested by a local Mustang shop. I like to use the best oil. No synthetics.
My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles on it and running great.
Thanks so much.
Terry
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem.
I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved.
It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story"
Julian
________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>> Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
guys
i had overheating problems
i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw
so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it
then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays
i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
i removed that and fitted a new stat
now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions
my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect
very happy with result
owen cooke
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com<mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ??
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me. So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________
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