Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348
Jack, Unless you are driving HARD on the track, your oil temp will be just fine and you are engaging in recreational maintenance and spending.... Mike Sent from my iPad
On Jun 11, 2016, at 12:04 PM, Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com> wrote:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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I love synthetic oil and it can tolerate hot spots better than conventional oil. The serious open road racers seem to add oil coolers, but that is probably only needed for sustained high speeds/loads on the engine. Ken From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:04 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I love synthetic oil and it can tolerate hot spots better than conventional oil. The serious open road racers seem to add oil coolers, but that is probably only needed for sustained high speeds/loads on the engine. Ken __________________________________________________________________ From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 12:04 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [1]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me. For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler. Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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AJ, Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me.
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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Out of curiosity, where would you add an oil cooler? And would it be an air-to-liquid - or - liquid-to-liquid cooler? Having moved the A/C condenser to the front, I was thinking of using the original condenser-space for an air-to-liquid cooler with a pusher fan. I get the feeling, however, that it’s a waste of time, which sounds good/great to me. The old “track-pushing-hard” syndrome left me a few years back. Always looking for a way to NOT look at the temp gauge on hot days in traffic.
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AJ,
Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds?
Mike
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On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me.
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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Many moons ago, I saw a setup at Gary Hall's shop: He had installed a reverse-louvered, splash panel on the right rear with an oil cooler mounted to the inside (non-tire side) of the shield. The philosophy was that the spinning tire would provide a constant stream of air through the louvers at speed, cooling the oil. Whether it effectively worked, I have no idea, but it was a clean setup. FWIW, Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2016 10:55 AM To: Mike Drew Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature Out of curiosity, where would you add an oil cooler? And would it be an air-to-liquid - or - liquid-to-liquid cooler? Having moved the A/C condenser to the front, I was thinking of using the original condenser-space for an air-to-liquid cooler with a pusher fan. I get the feeling, however, that it’s a waste of time, which sounds good/great to me. The old “track-pushing-hard” syndrome left me a few years back. Always looking for a way to NOT look at the temp gauge on hot days in traffic.
On Jun 11, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
AJ,
Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me.
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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I think there are two methods available; oil to air and oil to water. I know John Taphorn and others have run an oil to water with great success. He will have to chime in to tell us how well it works in open road racing. As I recall, Dennis Antenucci runs a different style of oil to water these days, but input from other long time Pantera racers I've talked with have used air to oil very successfully. The water to oil can be mounted any place you have room and can get all the plumbing to. I think the most common is in the space behind the passenger side. Air to oil limits the options. One is to buy or modify the right rear quarter splash shield just in front of the right rear wheel. Hall Pantera used to sell an off the shelf solution that did that. Other folks who have had success with different methods will need to speak up. Asa As I am reading responding in chronological order, others may already have responded and I don't know it yet. ;) Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Out of curiosity, where would you add an oil cooler? And would it be an air-to-liquid - or - liquid-to-liquid cooler? Having moved the A/C condenser to the front, I was thinking of using the original condenser-space for an air-to-liquid cooler with a pusher fan. I get the feeling, however, that it’s a waste of time, which sounds good/great to me. The old “track-pushing-hard” syndrome left me a few years back. Always looking for a way to NOT look at the temp gauge on hot days in traffic.
On Jun 11, 2016, at 1:40 PM, Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
AJ,
Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me.
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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Mike Pardon my butting in with an experience when you question ws posited to Asa. With my oil/coolant heat exchanger, the oil temp eventually matches the coolant temp on highway drives. Unfortunately, that is closer to 190 degrees. I believe that Rousch did testing on optimum oil temps and horsepower creation. The magic number I recall John Christian sharing was 220 degrees, not 230. The other advantage to a heat exchanger is that when starting a cold engine the coolant helps raise oil temps quicker. JT ---- Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: ============= AJ, Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me.
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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Mike Pardon my butting in with an experience when you question ws posited to Asa. With my oil/coolant heat exchanger, the oil temp eventually matches the coolant temp on highway drives. Unfortunately, that is closer to 190 degrees. I believe that Rousch did testing on optimum oil temps and horsepower creation. The magic number I recall John Christian sharing was 220 degrees, not 230. The other advantage to a heat exchanger is that when starting a cold engine the coolant helps raise oil temps quicker. JT ---- Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: ============= AJ, Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me.
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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I have a oil/ water heat exchanger which is the type mounted under the oil filter. I have a water temp sender installed in an Amando oil pan with a switch under the dash, one position for water temp the other for oil temp. The oil does heat up quicker with this setup and the oil temp does read higher than the water. I use a 190 F thermostat, never seen the temp excessively high with spirited driving. No track use. YMMV
On Jun 11, 2016, at 5:41 PM, <jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com> <jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
Mike
Pardon my butting in with an experience when you question ws posited to Asa.
With my oil/coolant heat exchanger, the oil temp eventually matches the coolant temp on highway drives. Unfortunately, that is closer to 190 degrees. I believe that Rousch did testing on optimum oil temps and horsepower creation. The magic number I recall John Christian sharing was 220 degrees, not 230.
The other advantage to a heat exchanger is that when starting a cold engine the coolant helps raise oil temps quicker.
JT ---- Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
============= AJ,
Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds?
Mike
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On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me.
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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Hi Mike, I don't recall for certain but I do think at normal freeway speeds it ran over 200. The last I recall it was running a bit higher but I think that was due to a lean condition due to FOD in the jets. Asa Quoting Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com>:
AJ,
Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds?
Mike
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On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me.
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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