To: LSJ <lashdeep@yahoo.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com, JFFR <pantera@vtc.net RE Message 1 Message: 1Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:09:07 -0400 From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> To: LSJ <lashdeep@yahoo.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>, JFFR <pantera@vtc.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 351C Engine Weight Savings Message-ID: <4F4A71EC-CF4D-4036-9E1C-D26B07DB07BC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I think someone else already said this,... Jack did an excellent analysis of weight savings. It's a lot harder than you would think. Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:56 PM, LSJ <lashdeep@yahoo.com> wrote:

Will, thank you for the stock block weight.

So there is an approx. 46 lbs reduction for the aluminum block. 70 lbs for Al heads? 20-30 lbs for Al intake?

Maybe another 30lbs saved with Al water pump, Al timing cover, smaller Al air cleaner, switch to headers, Al valve covers, etc.

Maybe more?

We're getting to 200lbs pretty quickly.

Swap to a Lithium battery (minus 35lbs), one piece race seats (minus 40 lbs), and back to Magnesium wheels (minus 40lbs) and there is probably a lot more that can be done without really being noticeable (except the seats)?

Is there potentially 300lbs that can be taken out of an otherwise completely stock looking Pantera?

LSJ

central wines-spirits est 1934

625 e street nw washington, dc 20004

On Sep 22, 2016, at 12:56 PM, LSJ <[10]lashdeep@yahoo.com> wrote:

Will, thank you for the stock block weight.

So there is an approx. 46 lbs reduction for the aluminum block. 70 lbs for Al heads? 20-30 lbs for Al intake?

Maybe another 30lbs saved with Al water pump, Al timing cover, smaller Al air cleaner, switch to headers, Al valve covers, etc.

Maybe more?

We're getting to 200lbs pretty quickly.

Swap to a Lithium battery (minus 35lbs), one piece race seats (minus 40 lbs), and back to Magnesium wheels (minus 40lbs) and there is

central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 I don't think you can pull quite 200 lbs out of an iron 351-C. I've spent a good portion of 30 years lightening up our street Pantera L. Although it looks stock on the exterior except for a Revson chin-spoiler, the car in fact now weighs around 2690 lbs ready to drive, and it still has the 351-C block in there along with stereo, heater & A/C. Only the heater is stock. In 1981 when I started this li'il hobby, the car weighed 3250 lbs during a tech session on Longacre scales. So- a stock displacement 351-C weighs about 575 lbs fully assembled (guesses vary) and its possible to lower that to around 425 lbs. The Auto Industry reckons that removing weight from a design already in in production costs around $100/lb removed. The Aerospace industry estimates far more cost per lb. removed. They are both correct if you count labor/hr as well as parts changed or redesigned. J DeRyke To: LSJ <[1]lashdeep@yahoo.com> Cc: [2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com, JFFR <[3]pantera@vtc.net RE Message 1 Message: 1Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2016 13:09:07 -0400 From: Will Kooiman <[4]will.kooiman@gmail.com> To: LSJ <[5]lashdeep@yahoo.com> Cc: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>, JFFR <[8]pantera@vtc.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] 351C Engine Weight Savings Message-ID: <4F4A71EC-CF4D-4036-9E1C-[9]D26B07DB07BC@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I think someone else already said this,... Jack did an excellent analysis of weight savings. It's a lot harder than you would think. Sent from my iPhone probably a lot more that can be done without really being noticeable (except the seats)?

Is there potentially 300lbs that can be taken out of an otherwise

completely stock looking Pantera?

LSJ

central wines-spirits est 1934

625 e street nw washington, dc 20004

central wines-spirits est 1934 625 e street nw washington, dc 20004 [1]centralwines.com [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors 202-737-2800 I don't think you can pull quite 200 lbs out of an iron 351-C. I've spent a good portion of 30 years lightening up our street Pantera L. Although it looks stock on the exterior except for a Revson chin-spoiler, the car in fact now weighs around 2690 lbs ready to drive, and it still has the 351-C block in there along with stereo, heater & A/C. Only the heater is stock. In 1981 when I started this li'il hobby, the car weighed 3250 lbs during a tech session on Longacre scales. So- a stock displacement 351-C weighs about 575 lbs fully assembled (guesses vary) and its possible to lower that to around 425 lbs. The Auto Industry reckons that removing weight from a design already in in production costs around $100/lb removed. The Aerospace industry estimates far more cost per lb. removed. They are both correct if you count labor/hr as well as parts changed or redesigned. J DeRyke References 1. mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:pantera@vtc.net 4. mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com 5. mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 7. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 8. mailto:pantera@vtc.net 9. mailto:D26B07DB07BC@gmail.com 10. mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com