Thinking about doing fuel injection with independent throttle bodies similar to Pantera Performance Center's one where the throttle bodies and stacks fit under the engine scree. What happens when it rains? How do you keep the rain out of the rear throttle bodies? Jeff 6559 Thinking about doing fuel injection with independent throttle bodies similar to Pantera Performance Center's one where the throttle bodies and stacks fit under the engine scree. What happens when it rains? How do you keep the rain out of the rear throttle bodies? Jeff 6559
My tongue in cheek answer is to put in a rear window. Which hopefully I will get done in the next week or so. I plan to install a fan blowing air up from below on the passenger side with a thermostat controlling. With the MSD FI setup I suspect that, even with no glass in the opening above the engine, the FI body still gets pretty toasty when parked and idling. Hopefully I will have some actual data in a month or so... Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Detrich Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:40 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection stacks Thinking about doing fuel injection with independent throttle bodies similar to Pantera Performance Center's one where the throttle bodies and stacks fit under the engine scree. What happens when it rains? How do you keep the rain out of the rear throttle bodies? Jeff 6559
You could do something along the lines that Göran has done: http://hemipanter.se/ Thomas Den 2016-08-19 kl. 17:10, skrev Stephen:
My tongue in cheek answer is to put in a rear window. Which hopefully I will get done in the next week or so. I plan to install a fan blowing air up from below on the passenger side with a thermostat controlling. With the MSD FI setup I suspect that, even with no glass in the opening above the engine, the FI body still gets pretty toasty when parked and idling. Hopefully I will have some actual data in a month or so...
Stephen Nelson
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jeff Detrich Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 7:40 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection stacks
Thinking about doing fuel injection with independent throttle bodies similar to Pantera Performance Center's one where the throttle bodies and stacks fit under the engine scree. What happens when it rains? How do you keep the rain out of the rear throttle bodies?
Jeff 6559
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Some people have done oval filters that attach to the tops of the stacks. The filters can be done in plexiglass or aluminum. An air box works, but as others have said, it kills the visual appeal. I'm thinking about doing a plexiglass box for my webers with hoses to the side scoops. I currently have oval filters. Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2016, at 11:15 AM, Thomas Tornblom <thomas@hax.se> wrote:
You could do something along the lines that Göran has done: http://hemipanter.se/
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Den 2016-08-19 kl. 17:10, skrev Stephen: My tongue in cheek answer is to put in a rear window. Which hopefully I will get done in the next week or so. I plan to install a fan blowing air up from below on the passenger side with a thermostat controlling. With the MSD FI setup I suspect that, even with no glass in the opening above the engine, the FI body still gets pretty toasty when parked and idling. Hopefully I will have some actual data in a month or so...
Stephen Nelson
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Thinking about doing fuel injection with independent throttle bodies similar to Pantera Performance Center's one where the throttle bodies and stacks fit under the engine scree. What happens when it rains? How do you keep the rain out of the rear throttle bodies?
Jeff 6559
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My tongue in cheek answer is to put in a rear window. Which hopefully I will get done in the next week or so. I plan to install a fan blowing air up from below on the passenger side with a thermostat controlling. With the MSD FI setup I suspect that, even with no glass in the opening above the engine, the FI body still gets pretty toasty when parked and idling. Hopefully I will have some actual data in a month or so... /To answer your question about fuel injection system inlet air temperatures, I have some data on that. I found that pulling air into the injection system from the bottom of the car is about 40 degrees hotter than having air coming in from side window scoops and feeding it into a sealed air box. This test was done at 70 mph with ambient temperature at 80 degrees F. I didn't bother to check the temperatures at idle, but I expect it would still be about a 40 degree difference. I am using a F.A.S.T XFI 2.0 port injected system with a single throttle body and the EZ dash monitor which does indicate inlet air temperature./ My tongue in cheek answer is to put in a rear window. Which hopefully I will get done in the next week or so. I plan to install a fan blowing air up from below on the passenger side with a thermostat controlling. With the MSD FI setup I suspect that, even with no glass in the opening above the engine, the FI body still gets pretty toasty when parked and idling. Hopefully I will have some actual data in a month or so... To answer your question about fuel injection system inlet air temperatures, I have some data on that. I found that pulling air into the injection system from the bottom of the car is about 40 degrees hotter than having air coming in from side window scoops and feeding it into a sealed air box. This test was done at 70 mph with ambient temperature at 80 degrees F. I didn't bother to check the temperatures at idle, but I expect it would still be about a 40 degree difference. I am using a F.A.S.T XFI 2.0 port injected system with a single throttle body and the EZ dash monitor which does indicate inlet air temperature.
That sounds vaguely familiar... I had some fans installed in my back deck once, but Mike Drew shamed me into removing them! 😃 To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com From: pantera@vtc.net Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:58:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection stacks My tongue in cheek answer is to put in a rear window. Which hopefully I will get done in the next week or so. I plan to install a fan blowing air up from below on the passenger side with a thermostat controlling. With the MSD FI setup I suspect that, even with no glass in the opening above the engine, the FI body still gets pretty toasty when parked and idling. Hopefully I will have some actual data in a month or so... /To answer your question about fuel injection system inlet air temperatures, I have some data on that. I found that pulling air into the injection system from the bottom of the car is about 40 degrees hotter than having air coming in from side window scoops and feeding it into a sealed air box. This test was done at 70 mph with ambient temperature at 80 degrees F. I didn't bother to check the temperatures at idle, but I expect it would still be about a 40 degree difference. I am using a F.A.S.T XFI 2.0 port injected system with a single throttle body and the EZ dash monitor which does indicate inlet air temperature./ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. That sounds vaguely familiar... I had some fans installed in my back deck once, but Mike Drew shamed me into removing them! Emoji To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com From: pantera@vtc.net Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:58:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection stacks My tongue in cheek answer is to put in a rear window. Which hopefully I will get done in the next week or so. I plan to install a fan blowing air up from below on the passenger side with a thermostat controlling. With the MSD FI setup I suspect that, even with no glass in the opening above the engine, the FI body still gets pretty toasty when parked and idling. Hopefully I will have some actual data in a month or so... /To answer your question about fuel injection system inlet air temperatures, I have some data on that. I found that pulling air into the injection system from the bottom of the car is about 40 degrees hotter than having air coming in from side window scoops and feeding it into a sealed air box. This test was done at 70 mph with ambient temperature at 80 degrees F. I didn't bother to check the temperatures at idle, but I expect it would still be about a 40 degree difference. I am using a F.A.S.T XFI 2.0 port injected system with a single throttle body and the EZ dash monitor which does indicate inlet air temperature./ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
Very true Chris, but you had two fans...who would ever do like that?? Larry (excess) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Christopher Kimball Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 6:56 PM To: JFFR; Pantera Owners Club of America Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection stacks That sounds vaguely familiar... I had some fans installed in my back deck once, but Mike Drew shamed me into removing them! 😃 To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com From: pantera@vtc.net Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2016 13:58:19 -0700 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection stacks My tongue in cheek answer is to put in a rear window. Which hopefully I will get done in the next week or so. I plan to install a fan blowing air up from below on the passenger side with a thermostat controlling. With the MSD FI setup I suspect that, even with no glass in the opening above the engine, the FI body still gets pretty toasty when parked and idling. Hopefully I will have some actual data in a month or so... /To answer your question about fuel injection system inlet air temperatures, I have some data on that. I found that pulling air into the injection system from the bottom of the car is about 40 degrees hotter than having air coming in from side window scoops and feeding it into a sealed air box. This test was done at 70 mph with ambient temperature at 80 degrees F. I didn't bother to check the temperatures at idle, but I expect it would still be about a 40 degree difference. I am using a F.A.S.T XFI 2.0 port injected system with a single throttle body and the EZ dash monitor which does indicate inlet air temperature./ _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
Thank you! Data - I love data! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of JFFR Sent: Friday, August 19, 2016 1:58 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fuel injection stacks My tongue in cheek answer is to put in a rear window. Which hopefully I will get done in the next week or so. I plan to install a fan blowing air up from below on the passenger side with a thermostat controlling. With the MSD FI setup I suspect that, even with no glass in the opening above the engine, the FI body still gets pretty toasty when parked and idling. Hopefully I will have some actual data in a month or so... /To answer your question about fuel injection system inlet air temperatures, I have some data on that. I found that pulling air into the injection system from the bottom of the car is about 40 degrees hotter than having air coming in from side window scoops and feeding it into a sealed air box. This test was done at 70 mph with ambient temperature at 80 degrees F. I didn't bother to check the temperatures at idle, but I expect it would still be about a 40 degree difference. I am using a F.A.S.T XFI 2.0 port injected system with a single throttle body and the EZ dash monitor which does indicate inlet air temperature./
If you want to keep it all under an engine screen, the later screen has a solid center section. Side scoops to an air plenum would work, but loose the aesthetic appeal of the ITB's The real answer is just drive faster! Julian
On Aug 19, 2016, at 7:40 AM, Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote:
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My system is a Hilborn EFI managed by a FAST XFI fits under the screen and deckled no cutting. With and without the filters. Just had to keep the velocity stacks at 1”. :-) Ed Ed
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My system is a Hilborn EFI managed by a FAST XFI fits under the screen and deckled no cutting. With and without the filters. Just had to keep the velocity stacks at 1". :-) Ed Ed [cid:69798EF9-2024-405F-B5B5-250B8B1A8CE8@Home] [cid:E501E5DF-0186-4CE1-8F26-0975A03701B4@Home] [cid:5B2A93F2-A206-4386-A243-09B5BE86FA91@Home] [cid:8B265F5C-3E66-4C28-B804-0B1BB7601FB3@Home] On Aug 20, 2016, at 02:40, Jeff Detrich <[1]jjdetrich@gmail.com> wrote: Thinking about doing fuel injection with independent throttle bodies similar to Pantera Performance Center's one where the throttle bodies and stacks fit under the engine scree. What happens when it rains? How do you keep the rain out of the rear throttle bodies? Jeff 6559 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [2]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com 2. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com
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