I have a stock space-saver spare mounted on a Campy wheel. Marshall -------------------------------------------- On Tue, 8/9/16, Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] im looking for a spair tire for my 1972 pantera or ideal what will fit in trunk To: "JACKIE RANS" <falconjackpam@sbcglobal.net> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com, mikedmayberry@hotmail.com Date: Tuesday, August 9, 2016, 1:13 PM    Check with Mike Mayberry cc'd in this    email. [1]mikedmayberry@hotmail.com    Ed    On Aug 09, 2016, at 08:10 AM, JACKIE RANS <falconjackpam@sbcglobal.net>    wrote:    --------------------------------------------    On Mon, 8/8/16, [2]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com    <detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:    Subject: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 8    To: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com    Date: Monday, August 8, 2016, 12:00 PM    Send DeTomaso mailing list    submissions to        [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com    To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit        [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso    or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help'    to        [6]detomaso-request@server.detomasolist.com    You can reach the person managing the list at        [7]detomaso-owner@server.detomasolist.com    When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more    specific    than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..."    Daily Detomaso List Digest    Today's Topics:       1. Re: latest numbers in AC that has been    retrofitted to 134a?          (Asa Jay Laughton)       2. NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on    Maseratisource (Mike Thomas)       3. 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up    and Ford GT (Matt)       4. Re: Has anyone researched hood    vent    designs?    (Dave    Londry)          (Charles Engles)       5. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow    up and Ford GT          (Julian Kift)       6. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow    up and Ford GT          (Dave Londry)       7. Re: 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow    up and Ford GT          (Dave Londry)    ----------------------------------------------------------------------    Message: 1    Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2016 09:07:11 -0700    From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com>    To: [8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] latest numbers in AC that has been    retrofitted        to 134a?    Message-ID: <57A75CAF.8080000@asajay.com>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"       I've not done A/C since my days in    Automotive Technology school.  But       as I recall, the "goal" was to have 45F    degrees at the vents.       38F at the vents sounds pretty darn good    to me.  :)       Can you come and do mine?       Asa  Jay    Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired    & Shelley Marie    Spokane, WA    ******************************    [1][9]http://w7tsc.org    [2][10]http://www.teampanteraracing.com       On 8/7/2016 3:25 AM, Jeff Cobb wrote:       Jim,       How cold do you want to be?       You are almost as cold as Hillary    Clinton's soul!       Remove tools and hang meat.       Jeff       On Aug 6, 2016, at 10:23 PM, Pantdino    [3]<[1]pantdino@aol.com>    wrote:       So at 83F ambient temp and 1500 rpm I see    7 psi on low side and 250 on       high.       I got one of those vent thermometers and    it shows 35F at the vent.       Sounds pretty good to me        Or should I add a bit more 134?       -----Original Message-----       From: Pantdino [4]<[2]pantdino@aol.com>       To: jeffcobb1 [5]<[3]jeffcobb1@me.com>;    detomaso       [6]<[4]detomaso@detomasolist.com>       Sent: Sat, Aug 6, 2016 12:23 pm       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in    AC that has been retrofitted       to 134a?       Jeff,       I hooked up the high pressure side gauge    and get these numbers:       before starting car, 100 psi both sides       after system settles down, at 1500 rpm,    low side 7 psi, high side 225       psi.  As the car warmed the engine    speed increased to maybe 1750 rpm       and the high side was creeping up to    240-250 but the low was staying at       5-7.       Ambient temp was 77F, so should be about    40-45 low side, 170 high side.       According to the info sheet, this "Hi side    too high, low side too low"       situation would imply "blockage of    expansion valve or orifice tube."       Would that be from having the R12 valve in    a system now using 134?       I used my laser thermometer on the vents    and got 20-40F, but I suspect       that kind of thermometer is not accurate    for this application because       on my street car I got like 13F, which I    think cannot be right.       Anyway, it seems to me if I add more 134 I    run the risk of blowing the       high side hose at 3000 rpm and 85F    temp.  Does that sound right?       I do have 15 12 oz cans of old school R12    I bought way back when, so I       could switch to R12, but I would have to    take the car to have the 134       recycled, replace the dryer, put the    system under vacuum, etc so would       like not to.       Thank you,       Jim       -----Original Message-----       From: JEFFREY COBB [7]<[5]jeffcobb1@me.com>       To: Pantdino [8]<[6]pantdino@aol.com>;    detomaso       [9]<[7]detomaso@detomasolist.com>       Sent: Fri, Aug 5, 2016 3:37 am       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in    AC that has been retrofitted       to 134a?       Jim,       All cars use different  pressures and    for examples this week we did a/c       work on a 124 Fiat, many    Benz-Bmws-Toyotas, a 71 e-type, Ford +Chevy       trucks, a Cobra kit car and a Mangusta.       But basic pressures at 1,500 rpm with    cooling fans on and on high, with       both windows open, rear and front hatch    closed, high fan and not on       recirc should be about 35 + - low side and    250 + - high. Seems like a       7:1 ratio works the best. Converted    systems do need different numbers       but never too much of a change. So your    low range should vary from 20       to 38 psi and the high 210 to 260 psi as    long as above written       parameters are meet. The proper pressures    will equate to the coolest       temps. You have to note that and remember    you are just setting the vent       output for the coolest temp not some    pre-considered ideal temp you hope       for.       About 30 % of all of our a/c fixes are    fixing the stuck on heaters. We       are in hot Louisiana, make sure your    heater is truly shut off by doing       a liquid test.       Do use the correct oil and add 2 oz if you    are not sure of how much is       in. You can always expel the working high    side into a cloth or jug for       2 seconds to get an idea if you are oily    enough. A lot of spit       indicates fine but dry expelled gas needs    oil.        Keep cool,       Jeff       Jeff Cobb- I pad       W-225-343-7525       C-225-907-4514       Jeff Cobb Auto Works       1316 S. Acadian Thruway       Baton Rouge, La.       70806       [8][11]http://www.LiveOakConcours.org       On Aug 4, 2016, at 11:05 PM, Pantdino    [10]<[9]pantdino@aol.com>    wrote:       Hi, Jeff,       What should the pressures be?       Thank you,       Jim       -----Original Message-----       From: Jeff Cobb [11]<[10]jeffcobb1@me.com>       To: Pantdino [12]<[11]pantdino@aol.com>;    detomaso       [13]<[12]detomaso@detomasolist.com>       Cc: Jeff Cobb [14]<[13]jeffcobb1@me.com>       Sent: Thu, Aug 4, 2016 6:55 pm       Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] use sight glass in    AC that has been retrofitted       to 134a?       The sight glass is always used as a    reference point. You must go by the       dual gauges.       Never by the low side only.       Jeff Cobb       On Aug 4, 2016, at 8:44 PM, Pantdino via    DeTomaso       [15]<[14]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>    wrote:       > After switching the AC system to    134a, do you use the sight glass in       > the dryer or go by the pressure at    the low pressure port like with       > modern cars?       >       > Sorry, but I don't recall what I    learned several years ago when I       > switched the system over.       >       > Jim Oddie       >    _______________________________________________       >       >       > Detomaso Email List is not managed by    POCA       > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5    Megabytes       > DeTomaso mailing list       > [[16]15]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com       >    [16][17][12]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso       >       > To manage your subscription (change    email address, unsubscribe, etc.)       use the links above.       >       > Members who post to this list grant    license to the list to forward       any message posted here to all past,    current, or future members of the       list. 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[23]http://www.avg.com/    ------------------------------    Message: 2    Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:06:54 -0700    From: "Mike Thomas" <mbefthomas@comcast.net>    To: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>    Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC: '78 Maserati Khamsin on    Maseratisource    Message-ID:    <05a101d1f0d6$7b679ab0$7236d010$@comcast.net>    Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"    A very original Maserati Khamsin Ebay listing sent out by    Masertisource.    Very original, but definitely not flawless.  Pretty    car, except for the    butt-ugly US bumpers.  The front looks like it's    choking on a hockey puck,    the back is just a visual mess between the PANTERA tail    lights, and the    rubber transom of a bumper.  It is the perfect color    though.    [24]http://www.ebay.com/itm/Maserati-KHAMSIN-Base-Coupe-2-Door-/4011647    35310?for    cerrptr=true&hash=item5d6748134e:g:sxQAAOSwhOdXoe8V&item=401164735310    Mike Thomas    Pres., Panteras Northwest    Yellow '74 #6328    ------------------------------    Message: 3    Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2016 11:48:56 -0700    From: Matt <nwpantera@gmail.com>    To: Pantera Mail List <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>    Subject: [DeTomaso] 73 Pantera L at Cats Exotics follow up    and Ford GT    Message-ID:    <CAAygGO-+eJ5mU5UFArxKv6uCGrR1CxxPbBoXpwoFdj9ZCy1otA@mail.gmail.com>    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"    I went to go inspect the car today. It was next door in the    detailing shop.    The sales guy, John Zuberek, could not gain access since    they were closed.    He reminded me of Tom Cruise in Risky Business, dealing    Lambos!    So he is going to email me when it's done and I can go back    for a look next    week.    He also said they have an interested buyer(don't they    all?),which may    explain the detailing.    They must have 20 Lamborghini's just that I could see and    some other    speciality cars too.    Millions of dollars worth of cars. I felt like I walked into    a bank vault.    I felt a little out of my comfort zone but we talked and he    filled me in on    the different Lambo models and car stuff in general.They    sell between 15-30    cars a month and cater to Lambo buyers primarily. They claim    to be one of    the biggest Lambo dealers around.    He said the owner, Roy Cats, has a special place in his    heart for Panteras    though.    He indicated Roy had recently found another car he's    purchasing soon. Stay    tuned.    John also said they feel the market is surging for Panteras    right now. Duh!    But in the same breath he added "it's like the stock market    ,who knows?".    They did have a car I would take over all the rest though, a    2006 Ford GT    in Gulf livery.    So I took a few pics for you. I haven't tried attaching pics    yet so please    let me know PM if they don't show up and I'll find another    way to post.    Let you know what I find out about the Pantera later this    week.    Matt    3584    [25]http://www.catsexotics.com/vehicle-details/1973-detomaso-    pantera-luxury-lynnwood-wa-id-14348375