Re: [DeTomaso] Fw: Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
I shudder to think of the number of people who have been scarred, or left the club over the years from slung arrows or miss-information, ether over forums or from the rumor mill. When I read/hear of such things, it strikes a familial chord: My father, Don, joined POCA back in ’75, and was shortly thereafter “drafted” (as a lot of us were for Board positions back in the day) to be the club’s Membership Chairman. As a software designer, he wrote and administered POCA’s first membership software, as well as provided all the mailing labels, reports and printouts to the Board (keep in mind, this was in the days of mainframes, punch cards and massive line printers). After several years, he stepped aside as Membership Chairman, but continued to provide POCA with a free terminal/modem, data processing, reports, labels etc. Even as he migrated from mainframes to minis and micro-computers, he shouldered the cost of converting and housing POCA’s data. He would probably still be donating his time and supplies to the Club, had it not been for a group of people, and one particular board member, referencing my father, who wrote “Never again shall POCA be held to ransom by a third-party vendor” among other unfortunate writings. What was said cut my father to the core. After years of dedication, volunteering his time and supplies – again at absolutely no charge -- to an organization he adored, he quietly turned all the data over to club (even converting the data to their then-new system), let his POCA membership expire and sold his car for far below market value. I only recount this event, as it serves as a good reminder that before we click on the “send” key, it would behoove us to read what we wrote, and ask ourselves “would I like to be on the receiving end of this message?” If not, then think twice before clicking the mouse button. Mahalo, Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of scott black via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:52 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC Yes, it was disappointing email response. I appreciated the kind words from those who know me. And no, we have yet to represent (or even pitch) any oil change business. Though, we would happily accept the work, LOL. I hope that cooler heads prevail in the POCA leadership than occurred in this unfortunate attack. Scott Black Former POCA Board Member TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com On Sunday, May 22, 2016 3:37 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote: As I recall, Scott was the PR chair for POCA for many years and did a wonderful job. I think it was (like many of us) more work and less play in his own life that caused him to step back. But I'm sure he can defend himself on this one too. ;) Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/21/2016 5:40 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
"PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince."
A good guitarist or dead? ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt<michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A<detomaso@realbig.com>; scott black<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions.
However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee.
There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true.
Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention.
Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will.
Michael in Savannah
On 8/24/07, Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> wrote:
Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I never will!
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: "scott black"<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> To: "DeTomaso A"<detomaso@realbig.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with
any
Jiffy's in your town?
http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200 k .asx
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Well put. -- Will On 5/24/16 12:14 AM, "Scott Mead Photography" <scott@scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
I shudder to think of the number of people who have been scarred, or left the club over the years from slung arrows or miss-information, ether over forums or from the rumor mill. When I read/hear of such things, it strikes a familial chord: My father, Don, joined POCA back in ¹75, and was shortly thereafter ³drafted² (as a lot of us were for Board positions back in the day) to be the club¹s Membership Chairman. As a software designer, he wrote and administered POCA¹s first membership software, as well as provided all the mailing labels, reports and printouts to the Board (keep in mind, this was in the days of mainframes, punch cards and massive line printers). After several years, he stepped aside as Membership Chairman, but continued to provide POCA with a free terminal/modem, data processing, reports, labels etc. Even as he migrated from mainframes to minis and micro-computers, he shouldered the cost of converting and housing POCA¹s data.
He would probably still be donating his time and supplies to the Club, had it not been for a group of people, and one particular board member, referencing my father, who wrote ³Never again shall POCA be held to ransom by a third-party vendor² among other unfortunate writings. What was said cut my father to the core. After years of dedication, volunteering his time and supplies again at absolutely no charge -- to an organization he adored, he quietly turned all the data over to club (even converting the data to their then-new system), let his POCA membership expire and sold his car for far below market value.
I only recount this event, as it serves as a good reminder that before we click on the ³send² key, it would behoove us to read what we wrote, and ask ourselves ³would I like to be on the receiving end of this message?² If not, then think twice before clicking the mouse button.
Mahalo,
Scott
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of scott black via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:52 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
Yes, it was disappointing email response. I appreciated the kind words from those who know me. And no, we have yet to represent (or even pitch) any oil change business. Though, we would happily accept the work, LOL. I hope that cooler heads prevail in the POCA leadership than occurred in this unfortunate attack. Scott Black Former POCA Board Member TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com
On Sunday, May 22, 2016 3:37 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
As I recall, Scott was the PR chair for POCA for many years and did a wonderful job. I think it was (like many of us) more work and less play in his own life that caused him to step back. But I'm sure he can defend himself on this one too. ;)
Asa Jay
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On 5/21/2016 5:40 PM, Julian Kift wrote:
"PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince."
A good guitarist or dead? ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt<michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A<detomaso@realbig.com>; scott black<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions.
However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee.
There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true.
Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention.
Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will.
Michael in Savannah
On 8/24/07, Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> wrote:
Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I never will!
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: "scott black"<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> To: "DeTomaso A"<detomaso@realbig.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with
any
Jiffy's in your town?
http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200 k .asx
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What does this have to do with Panteras or DeTomaso? Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus
On 24/05/2016, at 04:35, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote:
Well put.
-- Will
On 5/24/16 12:14 AM, "Scott Mead Photography" <scott@scottmeadphotography.com> wrote:
I shudder to think of the number of people who have been scarred, or left the club over the years from slung arrows or miss-information, ether over forums or from the rumor mill. When I read/hear of such things, it strikes a familial chord: My father, Don, joined POCA back in ¹75, and was shortly thereafter ³drafted² (as a lot of us were for Board positions back in the day) to be the club¹s Membership Chairman. As a software designer, he wrote and administered POCA¹s first membership software, as well as provided all the mailing labels, reports and printouts to the Board (keep in mind, this was in the days of mainframes, punch cards and massive line printers). After several years, he stepped aside as Membership Chairman, but continued to provide POCA with a free terminal/modem, data processing, reports, labels etc. Even as he migrated from mainframes to minis and micro-computers, he shouldered the cost of converting and housing POCA¹s data.
He would probably still be donating his time and supplies to the Club, had it not been for a group of people, and one particular board member, referencing my father, who wrote ³Never again shall POCA be held to ransom by a third-party vendor² among other unfortunate writings. What was said cut my father to the core. After years of dedication, volunteering his time and supplies again at absolutely no charge -- to an organization he adored, he quietly turned all the data over to club (even converting the data to their then-new system), let his POCA membership expire and sold his car for far below market value.
I only recount this event, as it serves as a good reminder that before we click on the ³send² key, it would behoove us to read what we wrote, and ask ourselves ³would I like to be on the receiving end of this message?² If not, then think twice before clicking the mouse button.
Mahalo,
Scott
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of scott black via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:52 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
Yes, it was disappointing email response. I appreciated the kind words from those who know me. And no, we have yet to represent (or even pitch) any oil change business. Though, we would happily accept the work, LOL. I hope that cooler heads prevail in the POCA leadership than occurred in this unfortunate attack. Scott Black Former POCA Board Member TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com
On Sunday, May 22, 2016 3:37 PM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
As I recall, Scott was the PR chair for POCA for many years and did a wonderful job. I think it was (like many of us) more work and less play in his own life that caused him to step back. But I'm sure he can defend himself on this one too. ;)
Asa Jay
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On 5/21/2016 5:40 PM, Julian Kift wrote: "PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince."
A good guitarist or dead? ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt<michaelsavga@gmail.com> To: Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> Cc: DeTomaso A<detomaso@realbig.com>; scott black<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions.
However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee.
There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true.
Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention.
Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else ever will.
Michael in Savannah
On 8/24/07, Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> wrote: Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like I never will!
Art
----- Original Message ----- From: "scott black"<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> To: "DeTomaso A"<detomaso@realbig.com> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business with
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On 24/05/2016, at 04:35, Will Kooiman wrote:
Well put.
-- Will
On 5/24/16 12:14 AM, "Scott Mead Photography" wrote:
I shudder to think of the number of people who have been scarred, or left the club over the years from slung arrows or miss-information, ether over forums or from the rumor mill. When I read/hear of such things, it strikes a familial chord: My father, Don, joined POCA back in ¹75, and was shortly thereafter ³drafted² (as a lot of us were for Board
back in the day) to be the club¹s Membership Chairman. As a software designer, he wrote and administered POCA¹s first membership software, as well as provided all the mailing labels, reports and printouts to
Board (keep in mind, this was in the days of mainframes, punch cards and massive line printers). After several years, he stepped aside as Membership Chairman, but continued to provide POCA with a free terminal/modem, data processing, reports, labels etc. Even as he migrated from mainframes to minis and micro-computers, he shouldered the cost of converting and housing POCA¹s data.
He would probably still be donating his time and supplies to the Club, had it not been for a group of people, and one particular board member, referencing my father, who wrote ³Never again shall POCA be held to ransom by a third-party vendor² among other unfortunate writings. What was said cut my father to the core. After years of dedication, volunteering his time and supplies again at absolutely no charge -- to an organization he adored, he quietly turned all the data over to club (even converting the data to their then-new system), let his POCA membership expire and sold his car for far below market value.
I only recount this event, as it serves as a good reminder that before we click on the ³send² key, it would behoove us to read what we wrote, and ask ourselves ³would I like to be on the receiving end of this message?² If not, then think twice before clicking the mouse button.
Mahalo,
Scott
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of scott black via DeTomaso Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:52 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
Yes, it was disappointing email response. I appreciated the kind words from those who know me. And no, we have yet to represent (or even
any oil change business. Though, we would happily accept the work, LOL. I hope that cooler heads prevail in the POCA leadership than occurred in this unfortunate attack. Scott Black Former POCA Board Member TimePiece Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration www.tprm-usa.com
On Sunday, May 22, 2016 3:37 PM, Asa Jay Laughton wrote:
As I recall, Scott was the PR chair for POCA for many years and did a wonderful job. I think it was (like many of us) more work and less
in his own life that caused him to step back. But I'm sure he can defend himself on this one too. ;)
Asa Jay
Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com
On 5/21/2016 5:40 PM, Julian Kift wrote: "PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince."
A good guitarist or dead? ;-)
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC
I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to
own packets. Ken ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: Michael Shortt To: Art Stephens Cc: DeTomaso A; scott black Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC
I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very well have the best of intentions.
However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news (
was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee.
There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above all others should know that to be true.
Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for
_What does this have to do with Panteras or DeTomaso? _ Not much. That's what "NPC" is for. "Non-Pantera Cheese". (Surely you know this, Ed!) But I found all that kinda interesting. Which is another thing I like about our little email forum-- people like and respect each others' thoughts enough to engage in off-topic stuff. It shows we are more than just a car club comprised of a bunch of one-dimensional lug nuts. Thank God. I would be outta here by now from the boredom. Sent using Hushmail On May 24, 2016 at 8:27 AM, "Ed Mendez" wrote:What does this have to do with Panteras or DeTomaso? Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus positions the pitch) play line his that the
new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the
color of >>> the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, >>> refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want >>> is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed >>> crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention. >>> >>> Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take >>> and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a >>> backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, >>> then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else >>> ever will. >>> >>> Michael in Savannah >>> >>> >>>> On 8/24/07, Art Stephens wrote: >>>> Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like >>>> I never will! >>>> >>>> Art >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "scott black" >>>> To: "DeTomaso A" >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM >>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> 4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business >>>>> with >>>> any >>>>> Jiffy's in your town? >>>> http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183.200 >>>> k >>>> .asx >>>>> Scott Black >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> TimePiece Public Relations >>>>> Dallas - Houston - New York >>>>> www.timepiecepr.com >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------- >>>>> Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on >>>>> Yahoo! >>>>> TV. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>>>> >>>>> Archive Search Engine Now Available at >>>>> http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ >>>>> >>>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>>> DeTomaso@list.realbig.com >>>>> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.4/969 - Release Date: >>>> 8/23/2007 >>>>> 4:04 PM >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>>> >>>> Archive Search Engine Now Available at >>>> http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ >>>> >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> DeTomaso@list.realbig.com >>>> http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Michael L. 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Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. What does this have to do with Panteras or DeTomaso? Not much. That's what "NPC" is for. "Non-Pantera Cheese". (Surely you know this, Ed!) But I found all that kinda interesting. Which is another thing I like about our little email forum-- people like and respect each others' thoughts enough to engage in off-topic stuff. It shows we are more than just a car club comprised of a bunch of one-dimensional lug nuts. Thank God. I would be outta here by now from the boredom. Sent using Hushmail On May 24, 2016 at 8:27 AM, "Ed Mendez" <edducati@mac.com> wrote: What does this have to do with Panteras or DeTomaso? Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus > On 24/05/2016, at 04:35, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well put. > > -- > Will > > > > > > On 5/24/16 12:14 AM, "Scott Mead Photography" > <scott@scottmeadphotography.com> wrote: > >> I shudder to think of the number of people who have been scarred, or left >> the club over the years from slung arrows or miss-information, ether over >> forums or from the rumor mill. When I read/hear of such things, it >> strikes a familial chord: My father, Don, joined POCA back in A^175, and >> was shortly thereafter A^3draftedA^2 (as a lot of us were for Board positions >> back in the day) to be the clubA^1s Membership Chairman. As a software >> designer, he wrote and administered POCAA^1s first membership software, as >> well as provided all the mailing labels, reports and printouts to the >> Board (keep in mind, this was in the days of mainframes, punch cards and >> massive line printers). After several years, he stepped aside as >> Membership Chairman, but continued to provide POCA with a free >> terminal/modem, data processing, reports, labels etc. Even as he migrated >> from mainframes to minis and micro-computers, he shouldered the cost of >> converting and housing POCAA^1s data. >> >> He would probably still be donating his time and supplies to the Club, >> had it not been for a group of people, and one particular board member, >> referencing my father, who wrote A^3Never again shall POCA be held to >> ransom by a third-party vendorA^2 among other unfortunate writings. What >> was said cut my father to the core. After years of dedication, >> volunteering his time and supplies A again at absolutely no charge -- to >> an organization he adored, he quietly turned all the data over to club >> (even converting the data to their then-new system), let his POCA >> membership expire and sold his car for far below market value. >> >> I only recount this event, as it serves as a good reminder that before we >> click on the A^3sendA^2 key, it would behoove us to read what we wrote, and >> ask ourselves A^3would I like to be on the receiving end of this message?A^2 >> If not, then think twice before clicking the mouse button. >> >> Mahalo, >> >> Scott >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >> Behalf Of scott black via DeTomaso >> Sent: Monday, May 23, 2016 4:52 PM >> To: Asa Jay Laughton; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com >> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC >> >> Yes, it was disappointing email response. I appreciated the kind words >> from those who know me. And no, we have yet to represent (or even pitch) >> any oil change business. Though, we would happily accept the work, LOL. I >> hope that cooler heads prevail in the POCA leadership than occurred in >> this unfortunate attack. Scott Black Former POCA Board Member TimePiece >> Public Relations & Marketing Marketing Acceleration [1]www.tprm-usa.com >> >> On Sunday, May 22, 2016 3:37 PM, Asa Jay Laughton >> <asajay@asajay.com> wrote: >> >> >> As I recall, Scott was the PR chair for POCA for many years and did a >> wonderful job. I think it was (like many of us) more work and less play >> in his own life that caused him to step back. But I'm sure he can defend >> himself on this one too. ;) >> >> Asa Jay >> >> Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, >> WA >> ****************************** >> [2]http://w7tsc.org >> [3]http://www.teampanteraracing.com >> >> >>> On 5/21/2016 5:40 PM, Julian Kift wrote: >>> "PS: I know Scott Black and he is a prince." >>> >>> A good guitarist or dead? ;-) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On >>> Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso >>> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 6:56 PM >>> To: detomaso@detomasolist.com >>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Jiffy Lube - NPC >>> >>> >>> >>> I suppose this post from 2007 might give you an idea of Mr. >>> Short's temperament. A few folks on the forum did not take kindly to >>> the negative comments suggesting that Scott Black was trying to line his >>> own packets. >>> Ken >>> ----- Forwarded Message ----- >>> From: Michael Shortt<michaelsavga@gmail.com> >>> To: Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> >>> Cc: DeTomaso A<detomaso@realbig.com>; scott >>> black<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> >>> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 2:46 AM >>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC >>> >>> I don't know you Scott, through my search of the last 24 months of >>> Detomaso List postings I can't find another post by you. You may very >>> well have the best of intentions. >>> >>> However, as a PR Professional (?), your rehashing of old news ( that >>> was on Dateline 3 years ago ) seems highly irresponsible, leading me to >>> question your motives, seeing that your business targets the automotive >>> marketplace does nothing to remove any doubt, nothing like creating a >>> problem that you can offer to help fix for a fee. >>> >>> There are crooks in every business, yes even PR firms and Jiffy Lube >>> franchisees, but to use a broad brush to paint all of them as being such >>> is nothing more than over the backyard fence fearmongering. You above >>> all others should know that to be true. >>> >>> Anybody who has their car serviced at any dealership of any kind, esp. >>> one that promises 30 min or less, and goes and sits on their ass and >>> watches TV instead of watching their car probably deserves whatever they >>> get. There is no excuse for the crooks, they should have been arrested, >>> that is nothing more than stealing, but a smart consumer would be >>> watching and would ALWAYS request your parts. I personally ask for the >>> new oil filter and date it myself with a sharpie "for my own records". >>> Fluids changes can be checks by examining the dipstick for the color of >>> the replacement fluids and lastly if they don't meet your expectations, >>> refuse to pay until proof has been furnished, the last thing they want >>> is a car blocking the bay or the police to show up if they are indeed >>> crooks, too much attention and the last thing a crook wants is attention. >>> >>> Trust is overrated, knowing for sure is always the best route to take >>> and if you're too sorry, too unskilled, or like me, lack the space for a >>> backyard buddy so that I could easily do those routine things myself, >>> then it is your responsibility to look out for number one. Nobody else >>> ever will. >>> >>> Michael in Savannah >>> >>> >>>> On 8/24/07, Art Stephens<artstephens@charter.net> wrote: >>>> Thank you Scott. I don't do business with them and it looks like >>>> I never will! >>>> >>>> Art >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "scott black"<timepiecepr2@yahoo.com> >>>> To: "DeTomaso A"<detomaso@realbig.com> >>>> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 7:53 PM >>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Jiffy Lube - NPC >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> 4 minute video of California Jiffy Lubes at work....do business >>>>> with >>>> any >>>>> Jiffy's in your town? >>>> [4]http://mfile.akamai.com/12924/wmv/vod.ibsys.com/2006/0503/9152183 .200 >>>> k >>>> .asx >>>>> Scott Black >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> TimePiece Public Relations >>>>> Dallas - Houston - New York >>>>> [5]www.timepiecepr.com >>>>> >>>>> --------------------------------- >>>>> Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on >>>>> Yahoo! >>>>> TV. >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >>>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>>>> >>>>> Archive Search Engine Now Available at >>>>> [6]http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ >>>>> >>>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>>> DeTomaso@list.realbig.com >>>>> [7]http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>>> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.4/969 - Release Date: >>>> 8/23/2007 >>>>> 4:04 PM >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> Detomaso Forum Managed by POCA >>>> >>>> Archive Search Engine Now Available at >>>> [8]http://www.realbig.com/detomaso/ >>>> >>>> DeTomaso mailing list >>>> DeTomaso@list.realbig.com >>>> [9]http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Michael L. 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