Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
On Jun 11, 2016, at 5:41 PM, <jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com> <jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
Mike
Pardon my butting in with an experience when you question ws posited to Asa.
With my oil/coolant heat exchanger, the oil temp eventually matches
That type of oil cooler was used on Volvo P1800 in the sixties already. They have a big advantage in requiring no extrenal oil lines at all. I don't know how well they work cooling, I guess it depends on how much water you can pass through it. How do you route water through it Brian? Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> From: Brian Dudley [bd8134@gmail.com] Sent: 12/6/2016 12:48:01 AM To: jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature I have a oil/ water heat exchanger which is the type mounted under the oil filter. I have a water temp sender installed in an Amando oil pan with a switch under the dash, one position for water temp the other for oil temp. The oil does heat up quicker with this setup and the oil temp does read higher than the water. I use a 190 F thermostat, never seen the temp excessively high with spirited driving. No track use. YMMV the coolant temp on highway drives. Unfortunately, that is closer to 190 degrees. I believe that Rousch did testing on optimum oil temps and horsepower creation. The magic number I recall John Christian sharing was 220 degrees, not 230.
The other advantage to a heat exchanger is that when starting a cold
engine the coolant helps raise oil temps quicker.
JT ---- Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
============= AJ,
Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at
freeway speeds?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com>
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this
topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer
will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic
of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump,
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wrote: 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me. thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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On Jun 11, 2016, at 5:41 PM, <jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com> <jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
Mike
Pardon my butting in with an experience when you question ws posited to Asa.
With my oil/coolant heat exchanger, the oil temp eventually matches
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The other advantage to a heat exchanger is that when starting a cold
engine the coolant helps raise oil temps quicker.
JT ---- Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
============= AJ,
Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at
freeway speeds?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com>
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this
topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a
racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and
topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump,
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wrote: 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me. thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. .
I plumbed it in via the heater hoses. Some Cobra Mustangs have a special lower radiator hose. I use an electric heater valve which is mounted by the a/c compressor and has 4 ports so there is constant water flow going through the oil/water exchanger. All the Ford cars we have use a similar exchanger, the unit I used added 2" to the length of oil filter, the long Motorcraft FL1A style filter still fits well. The important parts to me is getting the engine oil to temp in cooler climates with a 10 qt pan and not having to mess about with oil hoses, thermostat, location, etc on an external cooler. On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 4:46 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson <guson@home.se> wrote:
That type of oil cooler was used on Volvo P1800 in the sixties already. They have a big advantage in requiring no extrenal oil lines at all. I don't know how well they work cooling, I guess it depends on how much water you can pass through it. How do you route water through it Brian?
Tomas
<-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> *From: Brian Dudley [bd8134@gmail.com <bd8134@gmail.com>]* Sent: 12/6/2016 12:48:01 AM To: jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com Cc: MikeLDrew@aol.com;detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperature
I have a oil/ water heat exchanger which is the type mounted under the oil filter. I have a water temp sender installed in an Amando oil pan with a switch under the dash, one position for water temp the other for oil temp. The oil does heat up quicker with this setup and the oil temp does read higher than the water. I use a 190 F thermostat, never seen the temp excessively high with spirited driving. No track use. YMMV
On Jun 11, 2016, at 5:41 PM, <jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com> < jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
Mike
Pardon my butting in with an experience when you question ws posited to Asa.
With my oil/coolant heat exchanger, the oil temp eventually matches the coolant temp on highway drives. Unfortunately, that is closer to 190 degrees. I believe that Rousch did testing on optimum oil temps and horsepower creation. The magic number I recall John Christian sharing was 220 degrees, not 230.
The other advantage to a heat exchanger is that when starting a cold engine the coolant helps raise oil temps quicker.
JT ---- Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
============= AJ,
Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at freeway speeds?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me.
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump, thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. #4348 _______________________________________________
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On Jun 11, 2016, at 5:41 PM, <[6]jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com> <[7]jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com> wrote:
Mike
Pardon my butting in with an experience when you question ws posited to Asa.
With my oil/coolant heat exchanger, the oil temp eventually matches
I plumbed it in via the heater hoses. Some Cobra Mustangs have a special lower radiator hose. I use an electric heater valve which is mounted by the a/c compressor and has 4 ports so there is constant water flow going through the oil/water exchanger. All the Ford cars we have use a similar exchanger, the unit I used added 2" to the length of oil filter, the long Motorcraft FL1A style filter still fits well. The important parts to me is getting the engine oil to temp in cooler climates with a 10 qt pan and not having to mess about with oil hoses, thermostat, location, etc on an external cooler. On Sun, Jun 12, 2016 at 4:46 AM, Tomas Gunnarsson <[1]guson@home.se> wrote: That type of oil cooler was used on Volvo P1800 in the sixties already. They have a big advantage in requiring no extrenal oil lines at all. I don't know how well they work cooling, I guess it depends on how much water you can pass through it. How do you route water through it Brian? Tomas <-----Ursprungligt Meddelande-----> A A From: Brian Dudley [[2]bd8134@gmail.com] Sent: 12/6/2016 12:48:01 AM To: [3]jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com Cc: [4]MikeLDrew@aol.com;[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil temperatureA I have a oil/ water heat exchanger which is the type mounted under the oil filter. I have a water temp sender installed in an Amando oil pan with a switch under the dash, one position for water temp the other for oil temp. The oil does heat up quicker with this setup and the oil temp does read higher than the water. I use a 190 F thermostat, never seen the temp excessively high with spirited driving. No track use. YMMV the coolant temp on highway drives. Unfortunately, that is closer to 190 degrees. I believe that Rousch did testing on optimum oil temps and horsepower creation. The magic number I recall John Christian sharing was 220 degrees, not 230.
The other advantage to a heat exchanger is that when starting a cold
engine the coolant helps raise oil temps quicker.
JT ---- Mike Drew via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
wrote:
============= AJ,
Since you had instrumentation, what were your temps when driving at
freeway speeds?
Mike
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 11, 2016, at 13:18, Asa Jay Laughton <[9]asajay@asajay.com>
Talking with another open road racer a few years ago about this
topic, I was told you want about 230 degrees F and nothing near 290. That's a nearly 60 degree difference. But the way he gave me the information makes me think you want to make sure you stay down around
For open road racing, depnding on the engine build and speed, a
racer will definitely want an oil cooler. Last year I ran the 120 class and spent a good amount of time near 130. My oil temp ran right around 230, so I knew if I wanted to move up to the 130-140 class, I'd need to add an oil cooler.
Your mileage may vary, Asa Jay
Quoting Jack Donahue <[10]demongusta@gmail.com>:
Once again, as summer approaches, cooling becomes an issue and
topic of some discussion. Rather than beating the radiator, water pump,
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wrote: 230. People smarter than me will know a lot more than me. I also run Amsoil full synthetic and there is a temp for viscocity breakdown but I don't have the spec in front of me. thermostat, and pressure cap horses to death, I thought I would pursue the oil temperature. So, all you gurus, what is the normal range of an oil temperature in these beautiful beasts? My next little project (get in line) is to install an oil temp gauge. Waste of time? I guess I need some feedback. All input is appreciated. list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [21]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [22]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. . References 1. mailto:guson@home.se 2. mailto:bd8134@gmail.com 3. mailto:jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com 4. mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com 5. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 6. mailto:jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com 7. mailto:jtaphorn@kingwoodcable.com 8. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 9. mailto:asajay@asajay.com 10. mailto:demongusta@gmail.com 11. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 12. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 13. http://www.w7tsc.org/ 14. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ 15. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 17. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 18. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 19. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 20. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 21. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com 22. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
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