Is Laurie's statement truthful?
All, Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather lengthy email. For someone who just last week talked about being “positive”, “congenial” and “professional”, I found today’s post to exhibit very little of those qualities. But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not intend to run again as Editor of Profiles.” Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the pertinent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let’s see if I can find where/when such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Boilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officers up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. That page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Treasurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members been nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual Editor position in September's newsletter was: Annual Editor - Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requirement.) Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November issue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a candidate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again No new candidate Write-in candidate ——————— Associate Vote ——————— I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed to submit the required statement. Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candidate's statement. "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” - ‘Freewill’ by Rush, 1980 I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsletter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, just a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettable omission by Mike Drew. Laurie’s statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Drew’s actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. Larry All, Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather lengthy email. For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very little of those qualities. But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E ditor position in September's newsletter was: Annual Editor - Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir ement.) Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again No new candidate Write-in candidate -------------- Associate Vote -------------- I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed to submit the required statement. Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida te's statement. "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl e omission by Mike Drew. Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. Larry
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles
On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
All,
Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather lengthy email.
For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very little of those qualities.
But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
"You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more.
Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E ditor position in September's newsletter was: Annual Editor - Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir ement.)
Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this -
ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again No new candidate Write-in candidate -------------- Associate Vote --------------
I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed to submit the required statement. Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida te's statement.
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl e omission by Mike Drew.
Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. Larry
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On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
All,
Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather lengthy email.
For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very little of those qualities.
But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
"You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on
ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of
s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more.
Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on
hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of
ditor position in September's newsletter was: Annual Editor - Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir ement.)
Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this -
ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again No new candidate Write-in candidate -------------- Associate Vote --------------
I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed to submit the required statement. Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida te's statement.
"If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or
tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl e omission by Mike Drew.
Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. Larry
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Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using [1]Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles page #12. Bo the officer page #9. T the Annual E the newsle list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [5]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [6]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. 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John, Say what you will but none of this took place until after Mr. Shortt started reviling people. Maybe you should get more facts before backing someone up.Forest From: John Bennett <jbennett111@zoho.com> To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com> Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using [1]Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Maybe you should get more facts before backing someone up. Forest __________________________________________________________________ From: John Bennett <jbennett111@zoho.com> To: Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com> Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using [1]Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <[1]nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[2][2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3][3]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [4][4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . ) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: jbennett111@zoho.com To: nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com; fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . ) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: jbennett111@zoho.com To: nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com; fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I j ust joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behav ior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Sh ortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails o n someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emai ls from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should de fect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presid ents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person wh o just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payrol l. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abra sive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt sh ould not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organ ization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computer s and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things ab out someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers be cause it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of po ssible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your finge rs inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com> ;wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.det omasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew di d not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/ when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #1 2. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the of ficer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett a nd Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required u nder > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other member s bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Ann ual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the Novemb er is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included thi s - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he fa iled > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his ca ndida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the n ewsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRyk es, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regre ttabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mik e Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use t he links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any mess age posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also g rant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving o f list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [2]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the li nks above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message p osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of lis t messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso
James,
I found no record of John Bennett as being a member of POCA...
John's first post to this board was on June 18th. (about 11 days ago)
Additionally, John Bennett is posting his messages from Hamilton,
Waikato, New Zealand (NZ) *(98% confidence)*
Welcome John.... Do you happen to know Ed ?
Cheers !
-dt
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:55 PM, James coyne <tecnosound@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being
> discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have
> not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or
> non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be
> a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of
> your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond
> when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain
> about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with
> the header NPC . )
> Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700
> From: jbennett111@zoho.com
> To: nathan.giles@ex3.com
> CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com; fresnofinches@aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
> Thank you Nathan!
>
>
>
> Oh My God.
>
>
>
> What is wrong with you people?
>
>
>
> I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it
> gets. I j
> ust joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in
> the VIN,
> and get subjected to this rhetoric?
>
>
>
> This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like
> behav
> ior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what
> Mr. Sh
> ortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no
> better.
> I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and
> insulting, to
> say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up
> emails o
> n someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent
> personal emai
> ls from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I
> should de
> fect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the
> chapters
> are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter
> presid
> ents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a
> person wh
> o just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady
> practice
> by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers
> payrol
> l. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would
> be abra
> sive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr
> Shortt sh
> ould not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national
> organ
> ization. That is just not acceptable.
>
>
>
> Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your
> computer
> s and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write
> things ab
> out someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point
> fingers be
> cause it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list
> of po
> ssible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
>
>
>
> Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
>
>
>
> Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your
> finge
> rs inwards. All of you on both sides!
>
>
>
> Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars?
>
>
>
> Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
>
>
>
> John
>
>
>
> Sent using Zoho Mail
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com
> >
> ;wrote ----
>
>
>
>
> Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
>
>
>
> Nathan Giles
>
>
>
> > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.det
> omasolist.com> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > All,
>
> >
>
> > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather
>
> > lengthy email.
>
> >
>
> > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
>
> > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very
>
> > little of those qualities.
>
> >
>
> > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
>
> >
>
> > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew
> di
> d not
>
> > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> >
>
> > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have
> the
> perti
>
> > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find
> where/
> when
>
> > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> >
>
> > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page
> #1
> 2. Bo
>
> > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the
> of
> ficer
>
> > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing
> more.
>
>
> >
>
> > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on
> page
> #9. T
>
> > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike
> Burnett a
> nd Tr
>
> > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is
> required u
> nder
>
> > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other
> member
> s bee
>
> > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the
> Ann
> ual E
>
> > ditor position in September's newsletter was:
>
> > Annual Editor -
>
> > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
>
> > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir
>
> > ement.)
>
> >
>
> > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the
> Novemb
> er is
>
> > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had
> submitted
> a can
>
> > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included
> thi
> s -
>
> >
>
> > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
>
> > No new candidate
>
> > Write-in candidate --------------
>
> > Associate Vote --------------
>
> >
>
> > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he
> fa
> iled
>
> > to submit the required statement.
>
> > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his
> ca
> ndida
>
> > te's statement.
>
> >
>
> > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
>
> > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> >
>
> > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or
> the n
> ewsle
>
> > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the
> DeRyk
> es, j
>
> > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a
> regre
> ttabl
>
> > e omission by Mike Drew.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about
> Mik
> e Dre
>
> > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> >
>
> > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited
>
> > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
>
> > Larry
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
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James,
I found no record of John Bennett as being a member of POCA...A
John'sA first post to this board was on June 18th. (about 11 days ago)
Additionally, John Bennett is posting his messages from Hamilton,
Waikato,A New Zealand (NZ) (98% confidence)
Welcome John.... Do you happen to know Ed ?
Cheers !
-dt
On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:55 PM, James coyne
<[1]tecnosound@hotmail.com> wrote:
A A Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are
being
A A discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when
you have
A A not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera
related or
A A non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you
claim to be
A A a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some
photos of
A A your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you
respond
A A when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you
complain
A A about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we
note with
A A the header NPC . )
A A Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700
A A From: [2]jbennett111@zoho.com
A A To: [3]nathan.giles@ex3.com
A A CC: [4]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [5]fresnofinches@aol.com
A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as
it gets. I j
ust joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT
in the VIN,
A and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and
Man-Child like behav
ior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter
what Mr. Sh
ortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all
no better.
I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and
insulting, to
say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig
up emails o
n someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent
personal emai
ls from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why
I should de
fect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of
the chapters
are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the
chapter presid
ents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming
a person wh
o just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the
shady practice
by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the
printers payrol
l. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone
would be abra
sive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise,
Mr Shortt sh
ould not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a
national organ
ization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of
your computer
s and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and
write things ab
out someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and
point fingers be
cause it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is
a list of po
ssible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and
point your finge
rs inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to
the cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles
<[6]nathan.giles@ex3.com>
;wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is
enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<detomaso@server.det
[7]omasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a
rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit
very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by
Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that
Mike Drew di
d not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to
have the
perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can
find where/
when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter
on page #1
2. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties
of the of
ficer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates.
Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter
on page
#9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike
Burnett a
nd Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is
required u
nder
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any
other member
s bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention
of the Ann
ual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws
requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in
the Novemb
er is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had
submitted
a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot
included thi
s -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he
acknowledges he fa
iled
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to
submit his ca
ndida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee
or the n
ewsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by
the DeRyk
es, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due
to a regre
ttabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied
about Mik
e Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the
cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
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Congratulations Yank,Would you'll like my bank details and address as well?Yes I know Ed, he signed me up to the New Zealand Chapter of the Pantera club. There are 14 De Tomaso down here I reckon. Now I've had about enough for one day.Kind Regards,JohnSent using Zoho Mail---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 23:56:00 -0700 Don Thomas<don.thomas.ieee@gmail.com> wrote ----James, I found no record of John Bennett as being a member of POCA... John's first post to this board was on June 18th. (about 11 days ago) Additionally, John Bennett is posting his messages from Hamilton, Waikato, New Zealand (NZ) (98% confidence)Welcome John.... Do you happen to know Ed ? Cheers ! -dtOn Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:55 PM, James coyne <tecnosound@hotmail.com> wrote: Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . ) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: jbennett111@zoho.com To: nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com; fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I j ust joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behav ior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Sh ortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails o n someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emai ls from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should de fect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presid ents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person wh o just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payrol l. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abra sive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt sh ould not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organ ization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computer s and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things ab out someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers be cause it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of po ssible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your finge rs inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com> ;wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.det omasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew di d not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/ when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #1 2. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the of ficer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett a nd Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required u nder > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other member s bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Ann ual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the Novemb er is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included thi s - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he fa iled > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his ca ndida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the n ewsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRyk es, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regre ttabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mik e Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > [1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use t he links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any mess age posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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References 1. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso 2. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Congratulations Yank, Would you'll like my bank details and address as well? Yes I know Ed, he signed me up to the New Zealand Chapter of the Pantera club. There are 14 De Tomaso down here I reckon. Now I've had about enough for one day. Kind Regards, John Sent using [1]Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 23:56:00 -0700 Don Thomas<don.thomas.ieee@gmail.com> wrote ---- James, I found no record of John Bennett as being a member of POCA... John's first post to this board was on June 18th. (about 11 days ago) Additionally, John Bennett is posting his messages from Hamilton, Waikato, New Zealand (NZ) (98% confidence) Welcome John.... Do you happen to know Ed ? Cheers ! -dt On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:55 PM, James coyne <[2]tecnosound@hotmail.com> wrote: Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . ) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: [3]jbennett111@zoho.com To: [4]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [5]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [6]fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I j ust joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behav ior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Sh ortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails o n someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emai ls from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should de fect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presid ents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person wh o just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payrol l. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abra sive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt sh ould not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organ ization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computer s and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things ab out someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers be cause it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of po ssible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your finge rs inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <[7]nathan.giles@ex3.com> ;wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <[8]detomaso@server.det [9]omasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew di d not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/ when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #1 2. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the of ficer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett a nd Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required u nder > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other member s bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Ann ual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the Novemb er is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included thi s - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he fa iled > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his ca ndida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the n ewsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRyk es, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regre ttabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mik e Dre > w's actions. 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Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first post from John Bennett. -----Original Message----- From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:56 AM To: John Bennett; Nathan Giles Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . ) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: jbennett111@zoho.com To: nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com; fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
There are clues in each one of his postings .
From: dave@damardirect.com To: tecnosound@hotmail.com; jbennett111@zoho.com; nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com; fresnofinches@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first post from John Bennett.
-----Original Message----- From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:56 AM To: John Bennett; Nathan Giles Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . )
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: jbennett111@zoho.com To: nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com; fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
Sent using Zoho Mail
---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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From: dave@damardirect.com To: tecnosound@hotmail.com; jbennett111@zoho.com; nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com; fresnofinches@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first
There are clues in each one of his postings . post from John Bennett.
-----Original Message----- From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:56 AM To: John Bennett; Nathan Giles Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being
discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . )
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: jbennett111@zoho.com To: nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com; fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as
it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child
like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of
your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point
your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the
cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
Sent using Zoho Mail
---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles
<nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a
rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit
very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by
Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that
Mike Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen
to have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can
find where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter
on page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and
duties of the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates.
Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014
newsletter on page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate
Mike Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is
required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any
other members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention
of the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California
(PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a
Bylaws requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in
the November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had
submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot
included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he
acknowledges he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to
submit his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election
committee or the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct
by the DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due
to a regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely
lied about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing
the cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
>
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There is a way to get a particular email's IP address, then find the geographical location (city & state). I did it a few years ago but forget the process. Bet you could Google how to do it. From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:29 PM To: Dave; John Bennett Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett There are clues in each one of his postings .
From: dave@damardirect.com<mailto:dave@damardirect.com> To: tecnosound@hotmail.com<mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com>; jbennett111@zoho.com<mailto:jbennett111@zoho.com>; nathan.giles@ex3.com<mailto:nathan.giles@ex3.com> CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>; fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com> Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first post from John Bennett.
-----Original Message----- From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:56 AM To: John Bennett; Nathan Giles Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>; Larry Finch Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . )
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: jbennett111@zoho.com<mailto:jbennett111@zoho.com> To: nathan.giles@ex3.com<mailto:nathan.giles@ex3.com> CC: detomaso@detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com>; fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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From: [1]dave@damardirect.com To: [2]tecnosound@hotmail.com; [3]jbennett111@zoho.com; [4]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [5]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [6]fresnofinches@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first
There is a way to get a particular email's IP address, then find the geographical location (city & state). I did it a few years ago but forget the process. Bet you could Google how to do it. From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:29 PM To: Dave; John Bennett Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett There are clues in each one of his postings . post from John Bennett.
-----Original Message----- From: James coyne [[7]mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:56 AM To: John Bennett; Nathan Giles Cc: [8]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being
discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . )
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: [9]jbennett111@zoho.com To: [10]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [11]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [12]fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as
it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child
like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of
your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point
your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the
cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles
<nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a
rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit
very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by
Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that
Mike Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen
to have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can
find where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter
on page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and
duties of the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates.
Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014
newsletter on page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate
Mike Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is
required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any
other members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention
of the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California
(PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a
Bylaws requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in
the November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had
submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot
included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he
acknowledges he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to
submit his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election
committee or the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct
by the DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due
to a regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely
lied about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing
the cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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This seems non-productive. Just let it go an go back to Pantera related topics like dreaming of a visit to Mike Trusty's car playground. Paul #9270 On 6/30/2016 4:08 PM, Dave wrote:
There is a way to get a particular email's IP address, then find the geographical location (city & state). I did it a few years ago but forget the process. Bet you could Google how to do it.
From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:29 PM To: Dave; John Bennett Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
There are clues in each one of his postings .
From: [1]dave@damardirect.com To: [2]tecnosound@hotmail.com; [3]jbennett111@zoho.com; [4]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [5]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [6]fresnofinches@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first post from John Bennett.
-----Original Message----- From: James coyne [[7]mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:56 AM To: John Bennett; Nathan Giles Cc: [8]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . )
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: [9]jbennett111@zoho.com To: [10]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [11]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [12]fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
Sent using Zoho Mail
---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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>
>
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From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:29 PM To: Dave; John Bennett Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
There are clues in each one of his postings .
From: [1]dave@damardirect.com To: [2]tecnosound@hotmail.com; [3]jbennett111@zoho.com; [4]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [5]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [6]fresnofinches@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first post from John Bennett.
-----Original Message----- From: James coyne [[7]mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:56 AM To: John Bennett; Nathan Giles Cc: [8]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . )
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: [9]jbennett111@zoho.com To: [10]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [11]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [12]fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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Finally, a voice of reason. Everyone should just ignore what has happened in the past. Its over, done with and is only counterproductive to keep pointing fingers, looking for conspiracies under every rock, email and sneeze. This is a forum for Pantera lovers, owners and wannabes. I don't care if you put NPC in your title, it still ends up in my mailbox and has to be deleted. I don't need the aggravation of whether NancyGo is someone else or if John Bennet is some sort of shill sent by the "other" side. Who cares if he never posted before, it doesn't matter anymore. Let's get back to PANTERA related stuff, not POCA, not racism, not anything that isn't about the cars we love. Thank you all for wasting everyone's time b*tchin, moaning, complaining, attacking, defaming, slandering, expressing disgust or whatever other vitriolic posting, whether right or wrong or in your mind justified. Get back to Pantera, or in my most humble opinion, many current forum users are going to just unsubscribe and be done with it and that would be exactly what the "other" side wants - the shutdown of this forum. Excuse me for my contribution. V. Michael Arias, Esq. V. Michael Arias, P.A. 100 Almeria Ave. Suite 310 Coral Gables, FL 33134 (305) 984-6453 www.vmichaelarias@aol.com **************************************************************************** *************************** This electronic message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). They may contain confidential and/or privileged information or other information subject to legal restrictions regarding disclosure and/or dissemination. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, any review, retransmission, copying, use, disclosure, or dissemination of this message or its attachments is prohibited. If you received this message in error please notify the sender by replying to this message and deleting or destroying all copies of this message and any attachments. Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with U.S. Treasury Regulations, we inform you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used by the recipient or any other person, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or any other applicable tax law, or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction, arrangement or other matter addressed herein. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Paul Timko Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:24 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett This seems non-productive. Just let it go an go back to Pantera related topics like dreaming of a visit to Mike Trusty's car playground. Paul #9270 On 6/30/2016 4:08 PM, Dave wrote: the links above.
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From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:29 PM To: Dave; John Bennett Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
There are clues in each one of his postings .
From: [1]dave@damardirect.com To: [2]tecnosound@hotmail.com; [3]jbennett111@zoho.com; [4]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [5]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [6]fresnofinches@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first post from John Bennett.
-----Original Message----- From: James coyne [[7]mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:56 AM To: John Bennett; Nathan Giles Cc: [8]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . )
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: [9]jbennett111@zoho.com To: [10]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [11]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [12]fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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You could consider adding a rule to your email inbox where anything with "NPC" in the title is auto deleted, then you wouldn't have to read it and be compelled to respond..... Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of V Michael Arias via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 2:34 PM To: 'Paul Timko'; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett Finally, a voice of reason. Everyone should just ignore what has happened in the past. Its over, done with and is only counterproductive to keep pointing fingers, looking for conspiracies under every rock, email and sneeze. This is a forum for Pantera lovers, owners and wannabes. I don't care if you put NPC in your title, it still ends up in my mailbox and has to be deleted. I don't need the aggravation of whether NancyGo is someone else or if John Bennet is some sort of shill sent by the "other" side. Who cares if he never posted before, it doesn't matter anymore. Let's get back to PANTERA related stuff, not POCA, not racism, not anything that isn't about the cars we love. Thank you all for wasting everyone's time b*tchin, moaning, complaining, attacking, defaming, slandering, expressing disgust or whatever other vitriolic posting, whether right or wrong or in your mind justified. Get back to Pantera, or in my most humble opinion, many current forum users are going to just unsubscribe and be done with it and that would be exactly what the "other" side wants - the shutdown of this forum. Excuse me for my contribution. V. Michael Arias, Esq. V. Michael Arias, P.A. 100 Almeria Ave. Suite 310 Coral Gables, FL 33134 (305) 984-6453 www.vmichaelarias@aol.com<http://www.vmichaelarias@aol.com> [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/AOL_logo.svg/100px-AOL_logo.svg.png]<http://www.vmichaelarias@aol.com/> News, Sports, Weather, Entertainment, Local & Lifestyle - AOL<http://www.vmichaelarias@aol.com/> aol.com Founded in 1985 to provide interactive services, Web brands, Internet technologies and e-commerce services. Part of AOL Time Warner. Based in Dulles, Loudoun County ... **************************************************************************** *************************** This electronic message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). They may contain confidential and/or privileged information or other information subject to legal restrictions regarding disclosure and/or dissemination. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, any review, retransmission, copying, use, disclosure, or dissemination of this message or its attachments is prohibited. If you received this message in error please notify the sender by replying to this message and deleting or destroying all copies of this message and any attachments. Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with U.S. Treasury Regulations, we inform you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used by the recipient or any other person, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or any other applicable tax law, or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction, arrangement or other matter addressed herein. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Paul Timko Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:24 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett This seems non-productive. Just let it go an go back to Pantera related topics like dreaming of a visit to Mike Trusty's car playground. Paul #9270 On 6/30/2016 4:08 PM, Dave wrote: the links above.
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From: James coyne [[5]mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:29 PM To: Dave; John Bennett Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
There are clues in each one of his postings .
From: [1]dave@damardirect.com To: [2]tecnosound@hotmail.com; [3]jbennett111@zoho.com; [4]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [5]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [6]fresnofinches@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first post from John Bennett.
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Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . )
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: [9]jbennett111@zoho.com To: [10]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [11]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [12]fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from
long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and
is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then
email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least
are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard
of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders
can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and
your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back
to the cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles
<nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is
enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile,
rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being
"positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to
exhibit very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written
by Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter
Mike Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I
happen to have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I
can find where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014
newsletter on page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and
duties of the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for
candidates. Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014
newsletter on page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP
candidate Mike Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's
statement is required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had
any other members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only
mention of the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California
(PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a
Bylaws requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot
included in the November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no
one had submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the
ballot included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he
acknowledges he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing
to submit his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election
committee or the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any
mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it
was due to a regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had
lied about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by
viewing the cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new
website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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Its over, done with and is only counterproductive to keep pointing fingers, looking for conspiracies under every rock, email and sneeze. This is a forum for Pantera lovers, owners and wannabes. I don't care if you put NPC in your title, it still ends up in my mailbox and has to be deleted. I don't need the aggravation of whether NancyGo is someone else or if John Bennet is some sort of shill sent by the "other" side. Who cares if he never posted before, it doesn't matter anymore. Let's get back to PANTERA related stuff, not POCA, not racism, not anything that isn't about the cars we love. Thank you all for wasting everyone's time b*tchin, moaning, complaining, attacking, defaming, slandering, expressing disgust or whatever other vitriolic posting, whether right or wrong or in your mind justified. 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From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:29 PM To: Dave; John Bennett Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
There are clues in each one of his postings .
From: [1]dave@damardirect.com To: [2]tecnosound@hotmail.com; [3]jbennett111@zoho.com; [4]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [5]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [6]fresnofinches@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first post from John Bennett.
-----Original Message----- From: James coyne [[7]mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:56 AM To: John Bennett; Nathan Giles Cc: [8]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . )
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: [9]jbennett111@zoho.com To: [10]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [11]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [12]fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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A most excellent idea Julian ! Eventually all this will indeed " blow over " and be in the past , But until then , I most humbly ask for peoples patience with those of us who do want to express our points of views to one another , and currently this is the only place certain issues that affect the Pantera community can be discussed openly by concerned and conscientious members of the Pantera community . I promise to do my very best to remember to note in the Header when the posting is NPC . Thank you for your understanding and patience at this time . Sincerely , Jim Coyne From: julian_kift@hotmail.com To: thedrol@pobox.com; vmichaelarias@aol.com; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 21:40:41 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett You could consider adding a rule to your email inbox where anything with "NPC" in the title is auto deleted, then you wouldn't have to read it and be compelled to respond..... Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of V Michael Arias via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 2:34 PM To: 'Paul Timko'; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett Finally, a voice of reason. Everyone should just ignore what has happened in the past. Its over, done with and is only counterproductive to keep pointing fingers, looking for conspiracies under every rock, email and sneeze. This is a forum for Pantera lovers, owners and wannabes. I don't care if you put NPC in your title, it still ends up in my mailbox and has to be deleted. I don't need the aggravation of whether NancyGo is someone else or if John Bennet is some sort of shill sent by the "other" side. Who cares if he never posted before, it doesn't matter anymore. Let's get back to PANTERA related stuff, not POCA, not racism, not anything that isn't about the cars we love. Thank you all for wasting everyone's time b*tchin, moaning, complaining, attacking, defaming, slandering, expressing disgust or whatever other vitriolic posting, whether right or wrong or in your mind justified. Get back to Pantera, or in my most humble opinion, many current forum users are going to just unsubscribe and be done with it and that would be exactly what the "other" side wants - the shutdown of this forum. Excuse me for my contribution. V. Michael Arias, Esq. V. Michael Arias, P.A. 100 Almeria Ave. Suite 310 Coral Gables, FL 33134 (305) 984-6453 www.vmichaelarias@aol.com<http://www.vmichaelarias@aol.com> [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/AOL_logo.svg/100px-AOL_logo.svg.png]<http://www.vmichaelarias@aol.com/> News, Sports, Weather, Entertainment, Local & Lifestyle - AOL<http://www.vmichaelarias@aol.com/> aol.com Founded in 1985 to provide interactive services, Web brands, Internet technologies and e-commerce services. Part of AOL Time Warner. Based in Dulles, Loudoun County ... **************************************************************************** *************************** This electronic message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). They may contain confidential and/or privileged information or other information subject to legal restrictions regarding disclosure and/or dissemination. If you are not an intended recipient of this message, any review, retransmission, copying, use, disclosure, or dissemination of this message or its attachments is prohibited. If you received this message in error please notify the sender by replying to this message and deleting or destroying all copies of this message and any attachments. Circular 230 Disclosure: To comply with U.S. Treasury Regulations, we inform you that, unless otherwise expressly indicated, any tax advice contained in this communication (including any attachments) is not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used by the recipient or any other person, for the purpose of (1) avoiding penalties that may be imposed under the Internal Revenue Code or any other applicable tax law, or (2) promoting, marketing or recommending to another party any transaction, arrangement or other matter addressed herein. Thank you. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Paul Timko Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:24 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett This seems non-productive. Just let it go an go back to Pantera related topics like dreaming of a visit to Mike Trusty's car playground. Paul #9270 On 6/30/2016 4:08 PM, Dave wrote: the links above.
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From: James coyne [mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 4:29 PM To: Dave; John Bennett Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
There are clues in each one of his postings .
From: [1]dave@damardirect.com To: [2]tecnosound@hotmail.com; [3]jbennett111@zoho.com; [4]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [5]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [6]fresnofinches@aol.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 16:08:17 -0400 Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Who could John Bennett be??? I thought this after reading the first post from John Bennett.
-----Original Message----- From: James coyne [[7]mailto:tecnosound@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 1:56 AM To: John Bennett; Nathan Giles Cc: [8]detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett
Dear Mr. John Bennett , Can you explain why the things that are being discussed on this non POCA forum are so upsetting to you when you have not participated whatsoever on a single topic either Pantera related or non-Pantera related over on the POCA forum ? (of which you claim to be a member of ) You were invited on this forum to share some photos of your car and its unique features but you have not . Nor did you respond when the topic of discussion was your very car . But yet you complain about non-Pantera related topics . ( Which on this forum , we note with the header NPC . )
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:33:31 -0700 From: [9]jbennett111@zoho.com To: [10]nathan.giles@ex3.com CC: [11]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [12]fresnofinches@aol.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful?
Thank you Nathan!
Oh My God.
What is wrong with you people?
I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric?
This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable.
Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation.
Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach.
Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides!
Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars?
Thank you for ruining my first club experience.
John
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---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ----
Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough?
Nathan Giles
> On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
>
> All,
>
> Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather
> lengthy email.
>
> For someone who just last week talked about being "positive",
> "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very
> little of those qualities.
>
> But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie:
>
> "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not
> intend to run again as Editor of Profiles."
>
> Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti
> nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when
> such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay?
>
> First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo
> ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer
> s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more.
>
> Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T
> hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr
> easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under
> the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee
> n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E
> ditor position in September's newsletter was:
> Annual Editor -
> Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC)
> No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir
> ement.)
>
> Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is
> sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can
> didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this -
>
> ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again
> No new candidate
> Write-in candidate --------------
> Associate Vote --------------
>
> I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed
> to submit the required statement.
> Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida
> te's statement.
>
> "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi
> ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980
>
> I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle
> tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j
> ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl
> e omission by Mike Drew.
>
>
> Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre
> w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true.
>
> If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited
> newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website.
> Larry
>
>
>
>
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Eventually all this will indeed " blow over " and be in the past , But until then , I most humbly ask for peoples patience with those of us who do want to express our points of views to one another , and currently this is the only place certain issues that affect the Pantera community can be discussed openly by concerned and conscientious members of the Pantera community . I promise to do my very best to remember to note in the Header when the posting is NPC . Thank you for your understanding and patience at this time . Sincerely , Jim Coyne From: julian_kift@hotmail.com To: thedrol@pobox.com; vmichaelarias@aol.com; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2016 21:40:41 +0000 Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett You could consider adding a rule to your email inbox where anything with "NPC" i n the title is auto deleted, then you wouldn't have to read it and be compelled to respond..... Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of V Michael Arias via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 2:34 PM To: 'Paul Timko'; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC -Dear Mr. John Bennett Finally, a voice of reason. Everyone should just ignore what has happened in the past. Its over, done with and is only counterproductive to keep pointing fingers, looking for conspiracies under every rock, email and sneeze. This is a forum for Pantera lovers, owners and wannabes. I don't care if you put NPC in your title, it still ends up in my mailbox and has to be deleted. I don't need the aggravation of whether NancyGo is someone else or if John Bennet is some sort of shill sent by the "other" side. Who cares if he never posted before, it doesn't matter anymore. Let's get back to PANTERA related stuff, not POCA, not racism, not anything that isn't about the cars we love. 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I would like to know some of the mental disorders. I am worried about Larry(Cleveland). IndyDave -----Original Message----- From: John Bennett [mailto:jbennett111@zoho.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2016 11:34 PM To: Nathan Giles Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Is Laurie's statement truthful? Thank you Nathan! Oh My God. What is wrong with you people? I didn't realize that this list was about as non Pantera related as it gets. I just joined this Pantera club with my original GTS; yes there is a GT in the VIN, and get subjected to this rhetoric? This has got to be the biggest form of online bullying, and Man-Child like behavior that I have ever witnessed in my life, from all sides! No matter what Mr. Shortt has done in the past, you people who disparage him make you all no better. I was emailed some of his posts from 9 years ago; yes vulgar, and insulting, to say the least; I do not agree, but how pathetic that you have to dig up emails on someone from that long ago to prove your point. I have been sent personal emails from people outlining their grievances, and giving me reasons why I should defect from the club that I just joined? I was notified that some of the chapters are planning to secede from the national club, and that it is the chapter presidents arranging the little coup d'etat. Then this email here slamming a person who just volunteered to be a new editor and letting us know of the shady practice by the previous editors; I now wonder myself if they were on the printers payroll. At least they are gone. No wonder you have these issues, anyone would be abrasive and discontent after getting bullied in this manner. Likewise, Mr Shortt should not be unprofessional and abusive as the representative of a national organization. That is just not acceptable. Curious? Do you all spend every waking hour behind the keyboard of your computers and devise ways to "get back" at someone? Do you sit there and write things about someone from the safety of your home, make accusations, and point fingers because it makes you feel like a man? It is not what men do. There is a list of possible mental disorders that can be the only explanation. Shame on you, and Go Nancy, an absolute peach. Who is destroying the Pantera club? Look within yourselves, and point your fingers inwards. All of you on both sides! Now yes as Nathan so gracelessly stated can we please get back to the cars? Thank you for ruining my first club experience. John Sent using Zoho Mail ---- On Wed, 29 Jun 2016 20:24:37 -0700 Nathan Giles <nathan.giles@ex3.com>wrote ---- Can we please get off this and focus on the cars? How much is enough? Nathan Giles > On Jun 29, 2016, at 20:04, Larry Finch via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > All, > > Earlier today the new Profiles Editor, Laurie Basile, posted a rather > lengthy email. > > For someone who just last week talked about being "positive", > "congenial" and "professional", I found today's post to exhibit very > little of those qualities. > > But what struck me the strongest was the following written by Laurie: > > "You may recall how the DeRykes published in a Newsletter that Mike Drew did not > intend to run again as Editor of Profiles." > > Hmmmm? Is that true? Seems easy enough to research as I happen to have the perti > nent 2014 newsletters right here on my desk. Let's see if I can find where/when > such a statement was placed in a newsletter, okay? > > First mention of the election was in the August, 2014 newsletter on page #12. Bo > ilerplate text from the Bylaws which outlined the term and duties of the officer > s up for election, followed by a solicitation for candidates. Nothing more. > > Next mention of the election was in the September, 2014 newsletter on page #9. T > hat page included the candidate statements from VP candidate Mike Burnett and Tr > easurer candidate Bob Reid. Providing a candidate's statement is required under > the Bylaws, but no other statements were submitted nor had any other members bee > n nominated for any of the four open positions. The only mention of the Annual E > ditor position in September's newsletter was: > Annual Editor - > Incumbent - Mike Drew, Pantera Club of Northern California (PCNC) > No candidates yet (and no Candidate Statements, either - a Bylaws requir > ement.) > > Next newsletter election mention was just the ballot included in the November is > sue. At the time the ballot was sent to the printers, no one had submitted a can > didate statement for the Annual Editor position. So the ballot included this - > > ANNUAL EDITOR Incumbent chose not to run again > No new candidate > Write-in candidate -------------- > Associate Vote -------------- > > I have personally spoken with my friend Mike Drew and he acknowledges he failed > to submit the required statement. > Thus Mike, in essence, "chose not to run again" by failing to submit his candida > te's statement. > > "If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choi > ce." - `Freewill' by Rush, 1980 > > I do not know who composed the election ballot (Election committee or the newsle > tter Editor), but in either case there was not any mis-conduct by the DeRykes, j > ust a ballot that contained a truthful statement; and it was due to a regrettabl > e omission by Mike Drew. > > > Laurie's statement seemed to imply the DeRykes had purposely lied about Mike Dre > w's actions. As outlined above, that is simply not true. > > If you are a POCA member, you can confirm all this by viewing the cited > newsletters which are available for viewing on the new website. > Larry > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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