We are a Toyota/Subaru/Porsche/Pantera family. The newer vehicles (Toyota Tundra and Subaru Outback) have integrated electronics that are wonderful at best and utterly frustrating at worst. Probably the biggest issue we’ve faced has to be Apple updates: Apple will introduce a new OS, and it cause havoc with CarPlay, often freezing the vehicle’s screen. I’ve asked the Subaru and Toyota techs about a firmware update, to fix the issues, and all I get is a shrug of the shoulders - a fix is allegedly coming, but nobody knows when. Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef> ________________________________ From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2025 7:28:38 AM To: JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Pantera horn ….. uh, ya gotta read it How many modern people have multiple brands of cars! 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Take caution when interacting with this message. NkdkJdXPPEBannerEnd How many modern people have multiple brands of cars! I have a pickup, a Jeep, wife had a Lexus, etc. And, with modern cars having so many electronic/computer gizmos - learning everything for each brand is, well, tough! __________________________________________________________________ From: Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 9:51 PM To: JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Pantera horn ….. uh, ya gotta read it Hahahaha 🤣 Jack, well that narrows it down to between 12 and maybe 24 issues. John, well….thats where they want to put the high beam foot switch. 😐 Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired On Apr 11, 2025, at 14:30, JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com> wrote: Only works if you never turn the steering wheel left or right. In todays cars they have a clock spring. It would be easier to put a high beam light switch on the floor. them a clock spring in the steering wheel. LOL In a message dated 4/11/2025 4:25:50 PM Central Daylight Time, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com writes: Asa, back in the '80s, a Swedish POCA member converted his Pantera to have a wheel-center horn also using the Ghia logo button. I did an illustrated Newsletter article on it. He did have to make some parts but it seemed quite do-able, as I remember. And no- I don't remember what issue but it was before year 2000. On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 01:27:47 PM PDT, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: So, Ummm …. I was approached by a Pantera owner today who would like their horn button to be in the center of the steering wheel -and- be functional. I don’t recall ever seeing such a thing done, but doesn’t mean it hasn’t been. Short of fabricating a slip ring kind of affair, I don’t see it being possible. What does the collective know? Has this been done and how? Thank you, Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to [2]detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [2]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. 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[5]mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 3. mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 5. mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com We are a Toyota/Subaru/Porsche/Pantera family. The newer vehicles (Toyota Tundra and Subaru Outback) have integrated electronics that are wonderful at best and utterly frustrating at worst. Probably the biggest issue we’ve faced has to be Apple updates: Apple will introduce a new OS, and it cause havoc with CarPlay, often freezing the vehicle’s screen. I’ve asked the Subaru and Toyota techs about a firmware update, to fix the issues, and all I get is a shrug of the shoulders - a fix is allegedly coming, but nobody knows when. Get [1]Outlook for iOS __________________________________________________________________ From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2025 7:28:38 AM To: JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Pantera horn ….. uh, ya gotta read it How many modern people have multiple brands of cars! I have a pickup, a Jeep, wife had a Lexus, etc. And, with modern cars having so many electronic/computer gizmos - learning everything for each brand is, well, tough! __________________________________________________________________ How many modern people have multiple brands of cars! I have a pickup, a Jeep, wife had a Lexus, etc. And, with modern cars having so many electronic/computer gizmos - learning everything for each brand is, well, tough! __________________________________________________________________ From: Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 9:51 PM To: JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Pantera horn ….. uh, ya gotta read it Hahahaha 🤣 Jack, well that narrows it down to between 12 and maybe 24 issues. John, well….thats where they want to put the high beam foot switch. 😐 Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired On Apr 11, 2025, at 14:30, JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com> wrote: Only works if you never turn the steering wheel left or right. In todays cars they have a clock spring. It would be easier to put a high beam light switch on the floor. them a clock spring in the steering wheel. LOL In a message dated 4/11/2025 4:25:50 PM Central Daylight Time, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com writes: Asa, back in the '80s, a Swedish POCA member converted his Pantera to have a wheel-center horn also using the Ghia logo button. I did an illustrated Newsletter article on it. He did have to make some parts but it seemed quite do-able, as I remember. And no- I don't remember what issue but it was before year 2000. On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 01:27:47 PM PDT, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: So, Ummm …. I was approached by a Pantera owner today who would like their horn button to be in the center of the steering wheel -and- be functional. I don’t recall ever seeing such a thing done, but doesn’t mean it hasn’t been. Short of fabricating a slip ring kind of affair, I don’t see it being possible. What does the collective know? Has this been done and how? Thank you, Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to [2]detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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