I think typically the factory chassis holes between the coolant tubes you refer to carries the steel pipe that runs the vacuum brake booster to engine vacuum. Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:51 AM To: Guido deTomaso; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Top of radiator connected to swirl tank, was Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 OK i may have stated this incorrectly there is a steel pipe running from the top of the rad back to the engine and i forget exactly where is ends in the engine bay but this was clearly a factory installation as the chassis pieces had nicely flared hole and grommets lying between the two main steel pipes and the chassis pieces it runs through were clearly in the original steel pressing so this was not an after market fitting i will check on exactly where in the engine bay the pipes are going - i only guesses the swirl tank owen cooke On 21/09/2016 22:37, Guido deTomaso wrote:
"but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank"
I'm kinda fascinated by this mod, which I believe is in the TSB's, connecting the top of the radiator to the swirl tank with a long hose. Not sure how it works or what it was supposed to do.
With a completely dry system, I can visualise how it would allow the radiator to fill completely, as air formerly trapped in the top of the radiator would have a path back to the swirl tank, a higher point.
But once the engine is started, water or air is going to move from the swirl tank to the radiator, because of pressure difference. Not sure this is helpful but maybe isn't harmful.
Most difficult to visualize, if the engine is off and there is air in the radiator, can the weight / head / row gee aych of the water in the swirl tank push the air into the swirl tank ? Is there some Archimedes rule I'm not seeing here ?
Also did any cars come from the factory this way, was there an official path and mounting systems for the hose ? Cable ties ?
Thanks,
Guy D.
------------------------------------------------------------------------ *From:* Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com> *To:* detomaso@server.detomasolist.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
guys
i had overheating problems
i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw
so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe to it
then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays
i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
i removed that and fitted a new stat
now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions
my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect
very happy with result
owen cooke
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com <mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov <mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>> ??
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>> Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________
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I think typically the factory chassis holes between the coolant tubes you refer to carries the steel pipe that runs the vacuum brake booster to engine vacuum. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2016 2:51 AM To: Guido deTomaso; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Top of radiator connected to swirl tank, was Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19 OK i may have stated this incorrectly there is a steel pipe running from the top of the rad back to the engine and i forget exactly where is ends in the engine bay but this was clearly a factory installation as the chassis pieces had nicely flared hole and grommets lying between the two main steel pipes and the chassis pieces it runs through were clearly in the original steel pressing so this was not an after market fitting i will check on exactly where in the engine bay the pipes are going - i only guesses the swirl tank owen cooke On 21/09/2016 22:37, Guido deTomaso wrote:
"but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank"
I'm kinda fascinated by this mod, which I believe is in the TSB's, connecting the top of the radiator to the swirl tank with a long hose. Not sure how it works or what it was supposed to do.
With a completely dry system, I can visualise how it would allow the radiator to fill completely, as air formerly trapped in the top of
radiator would have a path back to the swirl tank, a higher point.
But once the engine is started, water or air is going to move from
swirl tank to the radiator, because of pressure difference. Not sure this is helpful but maybe isn't harmful.
Most difficult to visualize, if the engine is off and there is air in the radiator, can the weight / head / row gee aych of the water in
the the the
swirl tank push the air into the swirl tank ? Is there some Archimedes rule I'm not seeing here ?
Also did any cars come from the factory this way, was there an official path and mounting systems for the hose ? Cable ties ?
Thanks,
Guy D.
*From:* Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com> *To:* detomaso@server.detomasolist.com *Sent:* Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM *Subject:* Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
guys
i had overheating problems
i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad back to the swirl tank and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a top bleed screw
so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed
----------------------------------------------------------------------- - pipe
to it
then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets and wired them directly from the battery to the relays
i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
i removed that and fitted a new stat
now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or 195f in all conditions
my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its steady and i know what to expect
very happy with result
owen cooke
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Message: 1 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700 From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com
To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <[7]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <[8]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <[9]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <[10]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com <[11]mailto:CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
<[6]mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348
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Message: 2 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov <[12]mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com <[13]mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <[14]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <[15]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud Message-ID: <D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov <[16]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Jack,
Good stuff. I too am running the original radiator with new fans. I'm not going to change it now but I will follow your progress. Someday I will have to deal with it. So keep posting and I will keep saving the responses. ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov <[17]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov <[18]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>> ??
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum. And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past Brassworks - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?. Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
<[30]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>> perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions: jack #4348 _______________________________________________
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