You hit on some good points Jim. I consider the Pantera a muscle/exotic and am thankful it was created since I like both. My cousin is a Ferrari guy and says the trend is now towards the older models which feature a manual shift. Even 308's and 512's are experiencing a surge. My guess is collectors who occasionally drive them figured out they aren't race car drivers after all and want to be able to "feel and see" what gear it's in. That's what I would prefer over some tap,tap of the finger. What's old is new again? Plus much easier to bump start with a manual and clutch! However, if your Ferrari don't start I think you have something really wrong and prepare to get raked. Good day, Matt Wells 3584 On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso < detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Or another possibility is that the more cars are modded, the fewer visually stock ones remain. And those visually stock ones will become worth more.
The Pantera suffers from the narrow-minded point of view that since it has an American V8 it's not "exotic" and therefore not desirable. There will always be a number of people who can get over that and enjoy the car for what it is.
The classic Ferraris are now being bought up by wealthy collectors who never drive them, so there will more enthusiasts of more limited means who actually want to drive a car who will want them.
Jim Oddie -----Original Message----- From: gonancy <gonancy@juno.com> To: steve <steve@snclocks.com> Cc: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2016 11:17 pm Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] More of Steve's Yellow Car And THAT is exactly why De Tomasos, Panteras in general will NEVER be taken seriously by the Motoring World because of the ill conceived "additions" that are foisted on a great many of these cars. Granted I'm not saying that the usual upgrades like cooling, electrical and fuel systems shouldn't be addressed but clam shell rear deck lids is going WAY TO FAR. Flame away, I think most of you guys have less that good taste when it come to your car mods. GoNancy ---------- Original Message ---------- From: "Stephen" <steve@snclocks.com> To: <gonancy@juno.com>, <bill@incendium.com> Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] More of Steve's Yellow Car Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 19:01:49 -0700 That's the beauty of these cars - we can do what we want to - or not. Problem is the folks that really would like everyone do what they do. Reminds me of a gent in the local Cobra group - he positively pouted when I told him we had added mufflers to our Daytona. He made it clear he liked loud. So? He can have loud. And Nancy can have original. I just like driving mine. Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of gonancy@juno.com Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:34 PM To: bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] More of Steve's Yellow Car What are you gonna impeach me from? The Forum? Big deal. Look, someone has to point up these mindless modifications to cars that are now ( who knows why ) worth something. The unmolested cars are the ones that will raise to the top of the money pile. Remember I was the one who started the "impeach Shortt movement ". And look what happened. Gonancy, leaving my car mostly alone. Please note: message attached From: "bill@incendium.com" <bill@incendium.com> To: "gonancy@juno.com" <gonancy@juno.com>, davel@emspace.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] More of Steve's Yellow Car Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:43:10 -0600 ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $14.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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You hit on some good points Jim. I consider the Pantera a muscle/exotic and am thankful it was created since I like both.A My cousin is a Ferrari guy and says the trend is now towards the older models which feature a manual shift. Even 308's and 512's are experiencing a surge. My guess is collectors who occasionally drive them figured out they aren't race car drivers after all and want to be able to "feel and see" what gear it's in. That's what I would prefer over some tap,tap of the finger. What's old is new again? Plus much easier to bump start with a manual and clutch! However, if your Ferrari don't start I think you have something really wrong and prepare to get raked. Good day, Matt Wells 3584 On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Pantdino via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: A A Or another possibility is that the more cars are modded, the fewer A A visually stock ones remain.A And those visually stock ones will become A A worth more. A A The Pantera suffers from the narrow-minded point of view that since it A A has an American V8 it's not "exotic" and therefore not desirable. A A There will always be a number of people who can get over that and enjoy A A the car for what it is. A A The classic Ferraris are now being bought up by wealthy collectors who A A never drive them, so there will more enthusiasts of more limited means A A who actually want to drive a car who will want them. A A Jim Oddie A A -----Original Message----- A A From: gonancy <[2]gonancy@juno.com> A A To: steve <[3]steve@snclocks.com> A A Cc: detomaso <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Sat, Aug 27, 2016 11:17 pm A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] More of Steve's Yellow Car A A And THAT is exactly why De Tomasos, Panteras in general will NEVER be A A taken seriously by the Motoring World because of the ill conceived A A "additions" that are foisted on a great many of these cars. Granted I'm A A not saying that the usual upgrades like cooling, electrical and fuel A A systems shouldn't be addressed but clam shell rear deck lids is going A A WAY TO FAR. A A Flame away, I think most of you guys have less that good taste when it A A come to your car mods. A A GoNancy A A ---------- Original Message ---------- A A From: "Stephen" <[5]steve@snclocks.com> A A To: <[6]gonancy@juno.com>, <[7]bill@incendium.com> A A Cc: <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> A A Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] More of Steve's Yellow Car A A Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 19:01:49 -0700 A A That's the beauty of these cars - we can do what we want to - or not. A A Problem is the folks that really would like everyone do what they do. A A Reminds me of a gent in the local Cobra group - he positively pouted A A when I A A told him we had added mufflers to our Daytona. He made it clear he A A liked A A loud. So? He can have loud. And Nancy can have original. I just like A A driving mine. A A Stephen Nelson A A -----Original Message----- A A From: DeTomaso [mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces@ server.detomasolist.com] On A A Behalf A A Of [10]gonancy@juno.com A A Sent: Saturday, August 27, 2016 6:34 PM A A To: [11]bill@incendium.com A A Cc: [12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] More of Steve's Yellow Car A A What are you gonna impeach me from? The Forum? Big deal. Look, someone A A has A A to point up these mindless modifications to cars that are now ( who A A knows A A why ) worth something. A A The unmolested cars are the ones that will raise to the top of the A A money A A pile. A A Remember I was the one who started the "impeach Shortt movement ". And A A look A A what happened. A A Gonancy, leaving my car mostly alone. A A Please note: message attached A A From: "[13]bill@incendium.com" <[14]bill@incendium.com> A A To: "[15]gonancy@juno.com" <[16]gonancy@juno.com>, [17]davel@emspace.com A A Cc: [18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] More of Steve's Yellow Car A A Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2016 17:43:10 -0600 A A ____________________________________________________________ A A Affordable Wireless Plans A A Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. A A Starting at only $14.95 per month! A A [19]www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216 A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [20]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. 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