Dear Judy, Well, it would seem that the Devil is in the details of the allegation that "POCA's BOD is wasting $8,000/year by willfully being overcharged". Thanks for sharing. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Judith McCartney Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 7:59 PM To: Forest Goodhart; Mark Charlton; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator. Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 22:01:54 +0000 From: forestg@att.net To: pantera01826@rogers.com; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 Mark,A point made clear at the President's meeting in Las Vegas. That is why printing costs have become the issue. If printed newsletters went away there would be no printing costs. Personally I would be OK with electronic newsletters. That is what we do with our chapter newsletter. I do not find it so hard to print and staple a newsletter but apparently others do so I am fine with continuing to print and mail but at some point we will have to address costs, probably with a dues adjustment. Again I am OK with that.Forest From: Mark Charlton <pantera01826@rogers.com> To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 2:49 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 If I was given a vote today, I would elect for printed full-color Profiles and downloadable-only (also color) e-mail delivery Newsletters (as International members have been getting for some time now). I really dislike having to view everything on a computer and/or having to self-print onto loose pages. I wonder how many of us has EVER thrown out an issue of Profiles? Certainly not me. And, as a very distant (from SoCal) POCA member, pretty much the most tangible benefit of my membership has been the printed materials and content of course. I am very happy to see a modern website with the back issues and articles as downloads as well, but if my membership was entirely digital (and more work for me) it would be less attractive to me. Mark Charlton [1]pantera01826@rogers.com On Aug 13, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Julian Kift <[2]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: The fact that the Profiles and Newsletters are now online (and hopefully at some point searchable for content and articles) I think adds a lot to the argument of paper vs. no paper. I must admit I do like the full color Profiles magazine in paper form in hand, the B&W newsletter would be easy to print articles from as required. As for the trash can all copies of both Profiles and Newsletters are stored on my bookshelf since I joined POCA in 2006. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Himes, Terry (397C) <[4]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart; Jeff Detrich; [5]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 References 1. mailto:pantera01826@rogers.com 2. mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com 4. mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov 5. mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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