Hi all, This email forum is not POCA nor is it run by POCA. It is run by Kurt and it is the Pantera community, many of whom are not in the club and all this arguing does not look good to prospective members. I recommend that you please take this discussion and address it on the poca.com forum. I believe this was suggested about 200 emails ago, maybe 300. The folks on here want to talk about Pantera stuff, like wheels, and wiring, and fun, and Monterey and fun, and going fast and fun, and car shows and fun. Get my point? Don't shoot the messenger, I believe I am not wrong in this thinking. But I know I'm going to get it anyway. :-) Have a great Pantera day. The POCA PR dude. :-) <---- this means I'm happy. Ps. Have fun. Now back to Facebook where it is actually fun. On Aug 16, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Judith McCartney <jpoca2@hotmail.com> wrote: To who ever thinks we have done wrong by the club, show proof. This is Michael Shortt saying we have done wrong, NO Proof in writing, He has said he will destroy POCA and is by his mouth causing all these problems you allowing this to happen. Time has come instead of saying we spend $8,000 dollars more than we should have, come up with proof that we did. The Color is a wonderful Idea, we will do that, no question it will be in color if that is what the members want. Michael was talking, but no proof that the BOD has seen any thing in writing. So give up unless you can show that we have spend more than should of. Another way of him creating trouble. His calling people names, which we have proof in writing who he called names too. Just remember the BOD works for the love the club, there is no money in the job, so step up and try to a better job if you can do it better. Other thing is you want it over the computer that didn't cost a cent, Jack does that. No money with the printer, after he makes the Newsletter and ready to send to the printer, he sends a copy to the members who request it by email. so lets put this problem to rest and pick up and go forward. I've been in the club for 41 years we never had problems before. Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator. Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:44:27 +0000 To: terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov; forestg@att.net; jjdetrich@gmail.com; laurieferrari@aol.com CC: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 From: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both / each publica tion and manor of dispersing prior to any voting?? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like t here is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; "lau rieferrari@aol.com" <laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg@att.net> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4]forestg@att.net> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich@gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari@aol.com" <[7]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <[10]jjdetrich@gmail.com> To: [11]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1][13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. [14]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [16][1]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Hi all, This email forum is not POCA nor is it run by POCA. It is run by Kurt and it is the Pantera community, many of whom are not in the club and all this arguing doe s not look good to prospective members. I recommend that you please take this di scussion and address it on the poca.com forum. I believe this was suggested abou t 200 emails ago, maybe 300. The folks on here want to talk about Pantera stuff, like wheels, and wiring, and fun, and Monterey and fun, and going fast and fun, and car shows and fun. Get m y point? Don't shoot the messenger, I believe I am not wrong in this thinking. But I know I'm going to get it anyway. :-) Have a great Pantera day. The POCA PR dude. :-) <---- this means I'm happy. Ps. Have fun. Now back to Facebook where it is actually fun. On Aug 16, 2016, at 10:36 AM, Judith McCartney <jpoca2@hotmail.com> wrote: To who ever thinks we have done wrong by the club, show proof. This is Michael Shortt saying we have done wrong, NO Proof in writing, He has said he will destroy POCA and is by his mouth causing all these problems you allowing this to happen. Time has come instead of saying we spend $8,000 dollars more than we should have, come up with proof that we did. The Color is a wonderful Idea, we will do that, no question it will be in color if that is what the members want. Michael was talking, but no proof that the BOD has seen any thing in writing. So give up unless you can show that we have spend more than should of. Another way of him creating trouble. His calling people names, which we have proof in writing who he called names too. Just remember the BOD works for the love the club, there is no money in the job, so step up and try to a better job if you can do it better. Other thing is you want it over the computer that didn't cost a cent, Jack does that. No money with the printer, after he makes the Newsletter and ready to send to the printer, he sends a copy to the members who request it by email. so lets put this problem to rest and pick up and go forward. I've been in the club for 41 years we never had problems before. Judith McCartney, Membership Director & Fun Rally coordinator. Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2016 16:44:27 +0000 To: [1]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov; [2]forestg@att.net; [3]jjdetrich@gmail.com; [4]laurieferrari@aol.com CC: [5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 From: [6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com FWIW, Shouldn't we get a true figure on cost differences for both / each publica tion and manor of dispersing prior to any voting?? Bud #3400 ( Drive it like t here is no tomorrow -- for there may not be ! ) From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com>; "lau [7]rieferrari@aol.com" <laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 3:51 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[3]forestg@att.net> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[4]forestg@att.net> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[5]jjdetrich@gmail.com>, "[6]laurieferrari@aol.com" <[7]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <[10]jjdetrich@gmail.com> To: [11]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1][13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. [14]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [15]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [16][1][8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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