FWIW, I think there is a new refrigerant used in Europe, but the real problem is, as usual none are compatible with the reclaiming systems that U.S shops are forced to use by the DOT. Most AC shops now have two- one for R-12 and a different one for r-134a. A third system would be too much expense and complication. Neither U.S system will handle Freeze-12 or the several propane based refrigerants, for instance so people who bought into those now cannot get their systems serviced at most shops. They all cross-contaminate each other. I think the lube-oils are incompatible, too. Or so I'm told. Sorry- J Deryke -----Original Message----- From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> To: detomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sat, May 21, 2016 11:15 am Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Air Conditioning re-visit I don't wish to complicate anything, I was mostly just wondering, because I thought I'd heard there was something new out there. I'm not actually looking to work on an A/C, it's just a question that came up. I know most folks have great luck with both the R12 and the R134a conversions. But if a person were starting out with a non-working stock system, is there a third option available and how does it compare to R12 and R134? I might be all wet here too, I just thought I'd heard there was something new out there. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/21/2016 10:49 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
I have done quite a bit of work on Pantera A/C systems of late, both R-12 and R-134a conversions, both refrigerants are available, why do you want to complicate things?
Julian ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton<asajay@asajay.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:38 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Air Conditioning re-visit
Alright, so we know the cars came with R-12 and then sometime in the not too distant past cars converted to R-134.
Was there a -new- refrigerant talked about recently that is replacing R-134? Is it better? Is it worse? Can it work with R-12 or R134 components?
Does anyone have the inside scoop on A/C systems today?
Asa Jay
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I have done quite a bit of work on Pantera A/C systems of late, both R-12 and R-134a conversions, both refrigerants are available, why do you want to complicate things?
Julian ________________________________________ From: DeTomaso<detomaso-[3]bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton<[4]asajay@asajay.com> Sent: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:38 AM To: [5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Air Conditioning re-visit
Alright, so we know the cars came with R-12 and then sometime in the not too distant past cars converted to R-134.
Was there a -new- refrigerant talked about recently that is replacing R-134? Is it better? Is it worse? Can it work with R-12 or R134 components?
Does anyone have the inside scoop on A/C systems today?
Asa Jay
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