My take is board and president elected. If you do not want them vote them out next election. Club was spending to much money on printing and not doing anything to bring in new members and the conflict must stop get along until next election. I think next board meeting needs to be open for all members to listen to and hear the issues. Thank you
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Message: 1 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 13:26:38 -0400 From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com> To: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>, Charles Engles <cengles@cox.net>, 'Ed Mendez' <edducati@mac.com>, 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms@live.com> Cc: "detomaso@detomasolist.com" <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) Message-ID: <D3B91EA2.279AD%will.kooiman@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1"
It isn?t about controlling the club.
It takes a lot of guts to step forward to be president (or any board position). It is often a thankless job, and you take a lot of crap for it - even when you are right.
MS just wants to improve the club. I?m impressed with his energy and most of his ideas. I disagree with some, but that?s another matter.
The problem is he pissed off a lot of people with his approach, and now it?s a back and forth verbal battle until someone has enough and leaves. Unfortunately, there are <many> against him, and they?ll never all shut up and leave. So, the ?fix" has to come from MS - somehow.
On 7/23/16, 9:54 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a car club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous. The hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about crap like this going on to gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a car club. Ken __________________________________________________________________
From: Charles Engles <cengles@cox.net> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati@mac.com>; 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms@live.com> Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) Dear Ken, The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly Cc: [2]detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to do things informed members would never approve? Ken From: Ed Mendez <[3]edducati@mac.com> To: Mike Reilly <[4]reillyms@live.com> Cc: "[5]detomaso@detomasolist.com" <[6]detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
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From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM To: [3][8]detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th reply. 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information and postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees and future publication mailings. The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email address to see whom to send above to.
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:[9]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM To: Ken Green; Pantdino; [10]julian_kift@hotmail.com; [11]bill@incendium.com Cc: [12]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; [13]detomaso@detomasolist.com; [14]mbglobalsc@aol.com; [15]gpd4@juno.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) Verbatim from the survey: 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and want you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, let the contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully support us, or you suck. How about this? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am unhappy with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the club better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have been damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without
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Message: 2 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 12:37:19 -0700 From: "Michael Haney" <paso750@gmail.com> To: "'Ken Green'" <kenn_green@yahoo.com>, "'Charles Engles'" <cengles@cox.net>, "'Ed Mendez'" <edducati@mac.com>, "'Mike Reilly'" <reillyms@live.com> Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) Message-ID: <5793c770.8e3d420a.72c2.4ff5@mx.google.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end goal was. I still haven't figured it out. Mike Haney
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly' Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a car club?? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous.? The hole just gets deeper and deeper.? You read about crap like this going on?to gain control of?multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a car club. Ken
From: Charles Engles <cengles@cox.net> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati@mac.com>; 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms@live.com> Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
Dear Ken,
? ? ? ? ? The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi.
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
This is sounding really political and dishonest.? Is it one of those surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to do things informed members would never approve? Ken
? ? ? From: Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com> Cc: "detomaso@detomasolist.com" <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) ? You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board.
Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that he has a list of.
On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com> wrote:
? Check your junk file.? Mine was there.
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? I have not received the survey.? I am hoping it would have a 4th ? reply. ? 4.? Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information ? and ? postings from POCA.com.? You may keep any pro-rated membership fees and ? future publication mailings. ? The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email ? address ? to see whom to send above to.
? -----Original Message----- ? From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On ? Behalf ? Of Will Kooiman ? Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM ? To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com ? Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; ? mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com ? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) ? Verbatim from the survey: ? 1.? We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and want ? you to fight for us and keep making the club better.? OR ? 2.? We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, let ? the ? contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. ? This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully ? support us, or you suck. ? How about this? ? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am ? unhappy ? with the way it has been done.? Please continue trying to make the club ? better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have been ? damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating ? people ? with respect, they should leave. ? -- ? Will ? _______________________________________________ ? Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA ? Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes ? DeTomaso mailing list ? DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com ? [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ? To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) ? use the links above. ? Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any ? message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the ? list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive ? or approve the archiving of list messages.
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Message: 3 Date: Sat, 23 Jul 2016 15:01:13 -0500 From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com> To: Michael Haney <paso750@gmail.com> Cc: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com>, detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) Message-ID: <CANX29aUbq2kbO6AX3O6U3+2=A3vh5wvrL1=oLf154ummzir=Yw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
World domination?
On Sat, Jul 23, 2016 at 2:37 PM, Michael Haney <paso750@gmail.com> wrote:
Ever since he started with his "agenda" I have wondered what his end goal was. I still haven't figured it out. Mike Haney
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:55 AM To: Charles Engles; 'Ed Mendez'; 'Mike Reilly' Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
You have to start wondering why anyone would work so hard to control a car club? The amount of counter-productive wasted effort is ridiculous. The hole just gets deeper and deeper. You read about crap like this going on to gain control of multi-million $ corporations, but it makes no sense for a car club. Ken
From: Charles Engles <cengles@cox.net> To: 'Ken Green' <kenn_green@yahoo.com>; 'Ed Mendez' <edducati@mac.com>; 'Mike Reilly' <reillyms@live.com> Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Sent: Saturday, July 23, 2016 6:43 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
Dear Ken,
The now infamous "survey" is an example of his modus operandi.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Ken Green via DeTomaso Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 11:09 PM To: Ed Mendez; Mike Reilly Cc: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
This is sounding really political and dishonest. Is it one of those surveys carefully constructed to get the answers the author wants as an excuse to do things informed members would never approve? Ken
From: Ed Mendez <edducati@mac.com> To: Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com> Cc: "detomaso@detomasolist.com" <detomaso@detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 4:50 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
You should leave it in Junk it was not written or condoned by the board.
Mr. Shortt created his own Survey Monkey account and is using emails that he has a list of.
On Jul 23, 2016, at 10:40, Mike Reilly <reillyms@live.com> wrote:
Check your junk file. Mine was there.
Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
From: [2]Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 3:31 PM To: [3]detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7)
I have not received the survey. I am hoping it would have a 4th reply. 4. Please revoke my membership and remove all personal information and postings from POCA.com. You may keep any pro-rated membership fees and future publication mailings. The reason I first noticed the site was down was looking the email address to see whom to send above to.
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[4]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Will Kooiman Sent: Friday, July 22, 2016 18:06 PM To: Ken Green; Pantdino; julian_kift@hotmail.com; bill@incendium.com Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com; detomaso@detomasolist.com; mbglobalsc@aol.com; gpd4@juno.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Website is Down, Here's Why (7) Verbatim from the survey: 1. We support Michael Shortt, Mike Burnett, and Laurie Basile and want you to fight for us and keep making the club better. OR 2. We Thank you for your service so far, please give up the fight, let the contentious people win and return the club to the way it was. This makes it look like there are only two choices - either you fully support us, or you suck. How about this? 3. I support much of what the new leadership has proposed, but I am unhappy with the way it has been done. Please continue trying to make the club better, but first attempt to reconcile the relationships that have been damaged, and if anyone is unable to serve on the BOD without treating people with respect, they should leave. -- Will _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [5]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages.
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