Wow. Does no one read? There is no debate. Just make paper copies to those who want/need it. Make electronic copies for those to don't. Easy breezy. It is not a "ALL OR NONE" debate. Very simple. It is almost funny to read the responses. Almost. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: Douglas Kelm <dakelm@qwest.net<mailto:dakelm@qwest.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:24 PM To: 'Stephen' <steve@snclocks.com<mailto:steve@snclocks.com>>, Terry Himes <Terry.Himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:Terry.Himes@jpl.nasa.gov>>, 'Forest Goodhart' <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>, 'Jeff Detrich' <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 No paper = no membership renewal for me. Before the club eliminates paper copies all together, I suggest the membership be polled to see just what effect such an action has on the membership count. Why would someone subscribe to digital publications when they can just be forwarded from one member to another? I'm perfectly willing to pay a premium for printed material, but am not willing to pay squat for digital info. Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 4:37 PM To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)'; 'Forest Goodhart'; 'Jeff Detrich'; laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net>>; Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>; laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT…. Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <forestg@att.net<mailto:forestg@att.net><mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich@gmail.com<mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com><mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: laurieferrari@aol.com<mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com><mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Wow. Does no one read? There is no debate. Just make paper copies to those who want/need it. Make electronic copies for those to don't. Easy breezy. It is not a "ALL OR NONE" debate. Very simple. It is almost funny to read the responses. Almost. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: Douglas Kelm <[2]dakelm@qwest.net> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 5:24 PM To: 'Stephen' <[3]steve@snclocks.com>, Terry Himes <[4]Terry.Himes@jpl.nasa.gov>, 'Forest Goodhart' <[5]forestg@att.net>, 'Jeff Detrich' <[6]jjdetrich@gmail.com>, "[7]laurieferrari@aol.com" <[8]laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: "[9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 No paper = no membership renewal for me. Before the club eliminates paper copies all together, I suggest the membership be polled to see just what effect such an action has on the membership count. Why would someone subscribe to digital publications when they can just be forwarded from one member to another? I'm perfectly willing to pay a premium for printed material, but am not willing to pay squat for digital info. Doug -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[11]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Stephen Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 4:37 PM To: 'Himes, Terry (397C)'; 'Forest Goodhart'; 'Jeff Detrich'; [12]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 I agree wholeheartedly! But, if those of us who want the paper lose it, well, I will have just wasted my $75 when I re-upped with the shortt gone. No flaming - but please - don't take my paper away! Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[14]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Himes, Terry (397C) Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:51 PM To: Forest Goodhart <[15]forestg@att.net>; Jeff Detrich <[16]jjdetrich@gmail.com>; [17]laurieferrari@aol.com Cc: [18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 BUT.... Has there been a poll to determine how many members really still want paper!! I would say they are in the minority. Our POCA membership database (if there is one) should reflect whether a member wants a paper copy of electronic copies. Stop sending out paper products that end up in the trash can 1 day after they arrive. Same Same for the newsletter. Let the members who want paper get them, but don't waste printing and mailing to paper that just will collect dust in a closet and eventually get thrown out.. IMHO. Feel free to flame me. ;-) "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [19]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[20]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> From: DeTomaso <[21]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<[22]mailto:detomaso-bounc es@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Forest Goodhart <[23]forestg@att.net<[24]mailto:forestg@att.net>> Reply-To: Forest Goodhart <[25]forestg@att.net<[26]mailto:forestg@att.net>> Date: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:33 PM To: Jeff Detrich <[27]jjdetrich@gmail.com<[28]mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>>, "[29]laurieferrari@aol.com<[30]mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>" <[31]laurieferrari@aol.com<[32]mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com>> Cc: "[33]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[34]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>" <[35]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[36]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma solist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 What you are all missing is that Michael's number of $8,000 is incorrect. He failed to factor in the mailing costs of the profiles. With a true comparison the difference is pennies. From: Jeff Detrich <[37]jjdetrich@gmail.com<[38]mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com>> To: [39]laurieferrari@aol.com<[40]mailto:laurieferrari@aol.com> Cc: [41]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[42]mailto:detomaso@server.detomas olist.com> Sent: Saturday, August 13, 2016 1:28 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 146, Issue 17 On Sat, Aug 13, 2016 at 1:18 PM, Laurie Ferrari via DeTomaso <[1][43]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[44]mailto:detomaso@server.d etomasolist.com>> wrote: save $8,000 Amen! That's not pocket change. It's significant and it works out about $10 per member. If it was a $1,000 difference, I'd say no big deal to keep everybody happy. It's just being thrown away right now. Jeff 6559 References 1. 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