Richard Branson said it best… "It's better to have A Hole in your management team than an A-Hole in your management team!" "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Michael Haney <paso750@gmail.com<mailto:paso750@gmail.com>> Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:04 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Thomas, I couldn't have said it any better. Mike Haney Former Profiles editor -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Törnblom Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 1:36 AM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA 1) You can't do much about family, love it or hate it. 2) If you have an issue with a colleague, step away, if it is with management, get a new job 3) If you have an issue with the current leadership in a club you pay to be part of, then quitting, even temporarily, would at least send a fairly strong message that something is wrong, or else the club may not be for you anymore. As I've said before, I will likely not renew my POCA membership when it is due, and if I were ten years younger I would also get a new job. Life's too short to having to deal with a*holes. Thomas Den 2016-06-08 kl. 08:48, skrev Ed Mendez: Quitting is only going to hurt the club and the people in it who love you. We are all family here. Quit because of one person you don't agree with? Quit because of a family member you don't get along with? If we all did that none of us would be working in our day jobs, or have a family at all. I assume punch my brother in the face, but he is still my brother and that would really piss off my mom. Just saying. Better that maybe we all just step away from the computer screen for a while, there's a whole big world out there. Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus On 8/06/2016, at 17:14, Stephen <steve@snclocks.com<mailto:steve@snclocks.com>> wrote: Dear GoNancy Haney - I can readily understand your letting go of your POCA membership - right now the leadership is proving to be just plain polarizing. Just don't let go of this forum! And, one day, when hoof in mouth is not so rampant you can perhaps rejoin. Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of gonancy@juno.com<mailto:gonancy@juno.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Dear Forum, Even though I've just been a lurker and occasional poster and spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its inception, I wanted to put it out to the Pantera Community that I will be letting Judy McCartney know that I am ending my membership in POCA effective immediately. That means my associate member, the Profiles Editor, will be leaving also. Mike has the June issue at the printer's right now. It will be his last issue. As an aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA website, even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate member, not a "true " member according to whomever it was that he contacted about it. How do you like that? Makes him sound like a second class citizen. It's been a great 25 years, GoNancy Haney P.S. I listened in on the last BOD meeting last week and it was all I could do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental effort on my part. I could not believe my ears sometimes at what MS was saying. He is a real piece of work. ____________________________________________________________ Nextiva vFAX Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5757934166446134075b2st03vuc _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. Richard Branson said it best... "It's better to have A Hole in your management team than an A-Hole in your management team!" "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Michael Haney <[3]paso750@gmail.com> Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 7:04 AM To: "[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Thomas, I couldn't have said it any better. Mike Haney Former Profiles editor -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[6]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Toernblom Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2016 1:36 AM To: [7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA 1) You can't do much about family, love it or hate it. 2) If you have an issue with a colleague, step away, if it is with management, get a new job 3) If you have an issue with the current leadership in a club you pay to be part of, then quitting, even temporarily, would at least send a fairly strong message that something is wrong, or else the club may not be for you anymore. As I've said before, I will likely not renew my POCA membership when it is due, and if I were ten years younger I would also get a new job. Life's too short to having to deal with a*holes. Thomas Den 2016-06-08 kl. 08:48, skrev Ed Mendez: Quitting is only going to hurt the club and the people in it who love you. We are all family here. Quit because of one person you don't agree with? Quit because of a family member you don't get along with? If we all did that none of us would be working in our day jobs, or have a family at all. I assume punch my brother in the face, but he is still my brother and that would really piss off my mom. Just saying. Better that maybe we all just step away from the computer screen for a while, there's a whole big world out there. Sent from my iPhone 6 Plus On 8/06/2016, at 17:14, Stephen <[8]steve@snclocks.com> wrote: Dear GoNancy Haney - I can readily understand your letting go of your POCA membership - right now the leadership is proving to be just plain polarizing. Just don't let go of this forum! And, one day, when hoof in mouth is not so rampant you can perhaps rejoin. Stephen Nelson -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [[9]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of [10]gonancy@juno.com Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2016 8:38 PM To: [11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] POCA Dear Forum, Even though I've just been a lurker and occasional poster and spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its inception, I wanted to put it out to the Pantera Community that I will be letting Judy McCartney know that I am ending my membership in POCA effective immediately. That means my associate member, the Profiles Editor, will be leaving also. Mike has the June issue at the printer's right now. It will be his last issue. As an aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA website, even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate member, not a "true " member according to whomever it was that he contacted about it. How do you like that? Makes him sound like a second class citizen. It's been a great 25 years, GoNancy Haney P.S. I listened in on the last BOD meeting last week and it was all I could do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental effort on my part. I could not believe my ears sometimes at what MS was saying. He is a real piece of work. ____________________________________________________________ Nextiva vFAX Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine? [12]http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5757934166446134075b2st03v uc _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [13]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com [14]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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