The problem is, most place force you to buy both! Correct me if I'm wrong. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> Reply-To: "asajay@asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>" <asajay@asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:12 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation was to not bother with it for most purposes. Asa Jay Quoting Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>: If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm supports. Larry On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote: I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only taking briefs and bras... Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of John McKee <johnmckee@cox.net<mailto:johnmckee@cox.net>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to figure out the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by Precision ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks like I would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the upper suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to plug weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience installing these plates? Thank you, John _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. -- Asa Jay Laughton - sent from somewhere other than home ****************************************************** http://www.w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. The problem is, most place force you to buy both! Correct me if I'm wrong. "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <[3]asajay@asajay.com> Reply-To: "[4]asajay@asajay.com" <[5]asajay@asajay.com> Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:12 AM To: "[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation was to not bother with it for most purposes. Asa Jay Quoting Larry Stock <[8]larrys@panteraparts.com>: If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm supports. Larry On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" <[9]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of [10]julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote: I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only taking briefs and bras... Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[11]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of John McKee <[12]johnmckee@cox.net> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM To: [13]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to figure out the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by Precision ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks like I would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the upper suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to plug weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience installing these plates? 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