Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma

10 Aug 2016

      I was interested to note the recommendation for a magnesium anode – I have zinc anodes in several of my cars that have aluminum heads or radiators.  So, I looked it up on line:

Magnesium has a low current capacity. Like a bowl of nuts, it’s quickly eaten. Zinc and aluminum are akin to a plate piled high with home cooking. The meal lasts longer. So, though magnesium offers more protective electrons faster, it protects for only about one-third the time of zinc, and just one-fifth the time of aluminum.

http://www.boatingmag.com/how-to/choosing-right-sacrificial-anode

Stephen Nelson

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From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Roland
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:03 AM
To: thomas <thomas@hax.se>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma

I was asking, because i know from my boating hobby, that an anode, that is not eaten up, doesn't do anything in the system.

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Am 10.08.2016 um 09:16 schrieb thomas < <mailto:thomas@hax.se> thomas@hax.se>:
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It looks like this:  <http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html> http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html
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And it is probably zinc, not magnesium. Was probably confusing it with the anode in some water boilers.
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10 aug. 2016 kl. 08:44 skrev Roland < <mailto:willibillie@live.de> willibillie@live.de>:
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Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to change it in ten years?
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Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas Törnblom < <mailto:tipo874@gmail.com> tipo874@gmail.com>:
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I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in my Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for well over ten years without issues.
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9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock < <mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com> larrys@panteraparts.com>:
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On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela MacArthur"
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the Ron Davis sold by Pantera Performance.
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Dennis Quella @ [1] <http://panteraperformance.com/> http://panteraperformance.com/  was
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from Ron Davis racing. I was told they do not stock them and they
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believe his radiator and fans package are around $1600.
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Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't heard of
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Sooo, timing and money were one factor for us, plus our radiator
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and correct relays are in. The Hall radiator is around $600 brand new.
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[2] <http://hallpantera.com/> http://hallpantera.com/
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Hope this helps some, good luck.
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
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Hello Jack:
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What seems to be the problem with your existing setup, you have
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[[3] <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of
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Sent: August-09-16 1:23 PM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma Hey all - I need some good
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advice on radiators. I currently have a Fluidyne performance unit
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without a shroud. I've been told that a shroud is a necessity,
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which I understand. I've had it for about 12 years now - no
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leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a unit by Dennis
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Quella(?) - don't know the correct spelling or the company, but
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the last I had read from someone was just to get his radiator and
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"be done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I guess that's
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good) - and I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me asks -
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which is better - copper or aluminum? And Why? I know the copper
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units are heavier, but I am not concerned about extra weight. I
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am familiar with the company  - Brassworks - they have been at it
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since the early 1900's. Ken and Lela MacArthur had mentioned
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Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I know the discussion will
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generate a fair amount of opinions - which I always welcome,
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since it will generate more questions too. Looking forward to hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
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1.  <http://panteraperformance.com/> http://panteraperformance.com/ 2.  <http://hallpantera.com/> http://hallpantera.com/ 3.
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   I was interested to note the recommendation for a magnesium anode - I
   have zinc anodes in several of my cars that have aluminum heads or
   radiators.  So, I looked it up on line:

   Magnesium has a low current capacity. Like a bowl of nuts, it's quickly
   eaten. Zinc and aluminum are akin to a plate piled high with home
   cooking. The meal lasts longer. So, though magnesium offers more
   protective electrons faster, it protects for only about one-third the
   time of zinc, and just one-fifth the time of aluminum.

   [1]http://www.boatingmag.com/how-to/choosing-right-sacrificial-anode

   Stephen Nelson

   -----Original Message-----
   From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On
   Behalf Of Roland
   Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 1:03 AM
   To: thomas <thomas@hax.se>
   Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma

   I was asking, because i know from my boating hobby, that an anode, that
   is not eaten up, doesn't do anything in the system.

   Roland
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Am 10.08.2016 um 09:16 schrieb thomas <[2]thomas@hax.se>:
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I got it from a local marine shop.
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It looks like this: [3]http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html
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And it is probably zinc, not magnesium. Was probably confusing it
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10 aug. 2016 kl. 09:03 skrev Christer Eriksson
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...and where do you buy the them? Seams like a smart solution that
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I'd like to copy :)
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10 aug. 2016 kl. 08:44 skrev Roland <[5]willibillie@live.de>:
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Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to change it in
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Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas Toernblom
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I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in my
   Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for well
   over ten years without issues.
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I use propylene antifreeze and soft water.
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9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock
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The Pantera Parts Connection Fluidyne system with shroud and fans
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runs
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$1250.00 complete. We have never had one fail since running the
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No-rossion water treatment additive to insure the Lucas
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back-feed doesn^1t turn the Aluminum radiator into an anode,
   which
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is the main reason for aluminum radiators to fail. BTW Soft water
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works best for filling your system against electrolysis. Larry
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On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela
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<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
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[8]klckmac@msn.com>
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Jack,
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I received lots of good feedback on radiators recently as you
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have seen. I have an older Hall Brass radiator that was in good
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shape overall in our car which I decided to repair for a couple
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hundred bucks and add their Mariah fans since mine were stock.
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Many people like the Hall one. Many liked aluminum, especially
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the Ron Davis sold by Pantera Performance.
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Dennis Quella @ [1][9]http://panteraperformance.com/  was
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recommended for a high quality, all tig welded aluminum setup
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from Ron Davis racing. I was told they do not stock them and
   they
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special order them as needed, takes about 3 weeks to a month. I
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believe his radiator and fans package are around $1600.
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References

   1. http://www.boatingmag.com/how-to/choosing-right-sacrificial-anode
   2. mailto:thomas@hax.se
   3. http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html
   4. mailto:unnerstad.ekelund@gmail.com
   5. mailto:willibillie@live.de
   6. mailto:tipo874@gmail.com
   7. mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com
   8. mailto:klckmac@msn.com
   9. http://panteraperformance.com/
  10. http://hallpantera.com/
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  12. mailto:bill@incendium.com
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  22. http://hallpantera.com/
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