As for bike manual/auto transmission--- Not something I follow, but the first hits from Google show full automatics (plus abs, traction control, etc) is available AND kits to add to manual for "paddle shift" -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Peter Menyhart Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:30 AM To: Charles McCall; pantera forum Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Absolutely zero DT content Interesting question,... I think your right, the weight gain is probably too much. Peter From: charlesmccall@gmail.com Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2016 09:45:11 +0200 To: detomaso@detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Absolutely zero DT content ... Anyway, my question. The tendency in race cars and sports cars is moving away from a manual transmission to an automatic. I know that isn't quite true but don't really care if there is still technically a clutch or not - if there isn't a clutch pedal inside, then it's an automatic! Why hasn't the same thing happened with motorcycles? Because the shift time on a motorcycle is already so short? Do racers even use the clutch on a race bike? The weight associated with the mechanism is a larger percentage of a light bike as opposed to a car?