This is familiar. I'm dealing with a guy (Pres. of our HOA) right now who is the same. Even worse.. he's a lawyer. Narcissistic. Makes horrifying decisions and costing us money! "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> 🇺🇸 From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> Date: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:29 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: We want your opinion Did this really happen? I only ask because I'm trying to understand the difference between who MS appears to be "in public" versus who he seemingly appears to be "in private" away from other eavesdroppers. Yours is not the first time I've heard this kind of thing, and if it's true it continues to speak to a disparity between the "kinder, gentler" POCA leadership and how MS actually treats people in person. Part of the trouble seems to be that if anyone disagrees with or even looks like the -might- disagree with him, they are put off immediately as an agitator. It's kind of sad really. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** http://w7tsc.org http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/21/2016 10:05 AM, R.J wrote: Last time, when Europeans where invited to Poca, i asked Mr. Shortt about the benefits, i got the nasty answer, invited people should not ask a question, they should take the invitation or leave... OK, i left.. Roland Am 21.05.2016 um 16:23 schrieb Asa Jay Laughton: Yes, there were too many that I thought simply couldn't be answered because there was NO balance to the answers, it was either I fully don't agree with you at all, or I think you need to fire everyone else so you can do what you want. I think the man is a closet narcissist. Why can't we have a middle of the road solution? Example. He says "he" wants an all-electronic newsletter. But what about those members who don't? Can't there be a happy medium where those who want electronic delivery can -have- electronic delivery and those who want a paper copy can get a paper copy? According to him... no. There can be no happy medium. You will conform or you will leave. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1]http://w7tsc.org [2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/21/2016 6:33 AM, Will Kooiman wrote: Hi Guys, I started to fill out the POCA Direction Survey, but I can't. Some of the questions are fine, and need to be asked. But some are designed to support one viewpoint over another. For example: 1. I fully support the direction the club is headed in under the new President and the progressive BOD members who support moving the club forward. O Absolutely, the change was long over due. I can already see the difference. O Not at all, please stop improving things and leave it alone. The responses can be interpreted thusly: A. Rock on, you are awesome, and everyone else is an idiot. B. I'm stupid, and I like it that way. Seriously? How about? C. I support the direction the club is headed, but the President is alienating too many members and needs to tone down his message. D. Why not have a free form text field and let the members write what they want? It's not like we have billions of members and can't sort through their responses. Will. From: [3]<[1]survey-noreply@smo.surveymonkey.com<mailto:survey-noreply@smo.surveymonkey.com>> on behalf of [4]"[2]pr@poca.com<mailto:pr@poca.com> via surveymonkey.com" [5]<[3]member@surveymonkey.com<mailto:member@surveymonkey.com>> Reply-To: [6]<[4]pr@poca.com<mailto:pr@poca.com>> Date: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 10:34 PM To: Will Kooiman [7]<[5]will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> Subject: We want your opinion POCA Direction Survey We're conducting a survey and your input would be appreciated. Click the button below to start the survey. Thank you for your participation! [6]Begin Survey Please do not forward this email as its survey link is unique to you. [7]Opt out of receiving surveys from this sender Powered by SurveyMonkey Logo References 1. [8]mailto:survey-noreply@smo.surveymonkey.com 2. 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Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2016.0.7597 / Virus Database: 4568/12269 - Release Date: 05/21/16 _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com> http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. This is familiar. I'm dealing with a guy (Pres. of our HOA) right now who is the same. Even worse.. he's a lawyer. Narcissistic. Makes horrifying decisions and costing us money! "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <[3]asajay@asajay.com> Date: Saturday, May 21, 2016 10:29 AM To: "[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FW: We want your opinion Did this really happen? I only ask because I'm trying to understand the difference between who MS appears to be "in public" versus who he seemingly appears to be "in private" away from other eavesdroppers. Yours is not the first time I've heard this kind of thing, and if it's true it continues to speak to a disparity between the "kinder, gentler" POCA leadership and how MS actually treats people in person. Part of the trouble seems to be that if anyone disagrees with or even looks like the -might- disagree with him, they are put off immediately as an agitator. It's kind of sad really. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [6]http://w7tsc.org [7]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/21/2016 10:05 AM, R.J wrote: Last time, when Europeans where invited to Poca, i asked Mr. Shortt about the benefits, i got the nasty answer, invited people should not ask a question, they should take the invitation or leave... OK, i left.. Roland Am 21.05.2016 um 16:23 schrieb Asa Jay Laughton: Yes, there were too many that I thought simply couldn't be answered because there was NO balance to the answers, it was either I fully don't agree with you at all, or I think you need to fire everyone else so you can do what you want. I think the man is a closet narcissist. Why can't we have a middle of the road solution? Example. He says "he" wants an all-electronic newsletter. But what about those members who don't? Can't there be a happy medium where those who want electronic delivery can -have- electronic delivery and those who want a paper copy can get a paper copy? According to him... no. There can be no happy medium. You will conform or you will leave. Asa Jay Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired & Shelley Marie Spokane, WA ****************************** [1][8]http://w7tsc.org [2][9]http://www.teampanteraracing.com On 5/21/2016 6:33 AM, Will Kooiman wrote: Hi Guys, I started to fill out the POCA Direction Survey, but I can't. Some of the questions are fine, and need to be asked. But some are designed to support one viewpoint over another. For example: 1. I fully support the direction the club is headed in under the new President and the progressive BOD members who support moving the club forward. O Absolutely, the change was long over due. I can already see the difference. O Not at all, please stop improving things and leave it alone. The responses can be interpreted thusly: A. Rock on, you are awesome, and everyone else is an idiot. B. I'm stupid, and I like it that way. Seriously? How about? C. I support the direction the club is headed, but the President is alienating too many members and needs to tone down his message. D. Why not have a free form text field and let the members write what they want? It's not like we have billions of members and can't sort through their responses. Will. From: [3]<[1][10]survey-noreply@smo.surveymonkey.com> on behalf of [4]"[2][11]pr@poca.com via surveymonkey.com" [5]<[3][12]member@surveymonkey.com> Reply-To: [6]<[4][13]pr@poca.com> Date: Friday, May 20, 2016 at 10:34 PM To: Will Kooiman [7]<[5][14]will.kooiman@gmail.com> Subject: We want your opinion POCA Direction Survey We're conducting a survey and your input would be appreciated. Click the button below to start the survey. Thank you for your participation! 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