Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19

19 Sep 2016

      Thomas,

I had to cut about 8 inches off of one of the SS lines and turn it a 
bit.  Then take a tour of the back room of our auto parts store to find 
a formed hose that I could cut up to provide the correct bends for the 
reverse attachment. Unfortunately it is about time to replace the cut up 
hose and I don't have any idea which hose I used.

jerry knotts

On 9/19/2016 9:07 AM, Thomas Törnblom wrote:
...
Checking the service manual I see that the return line to the water
    pump is connected to the top, and this is how it has always been
    connected on my car.
    Personally I think it makes sense to have it connected to the bottom
    for at least two reasons:
    1) The coolant is at least in theory cooler at the bottom
    2) It will supply coolant longer if there is a leak.
    Not sure how easy it would be to reverse the lines on my car. The lines
    would have to cross each other.
    Thomas
    Den 2016-09-19 kl. 15:46, skrev Jerry Knotts:
When I bought my first Pantera in 2000 I had a heating problem at the
    track.  When It would puke about 1/2 gal of coolant it would overheat
    and was hell to try and keep cool.  It would sometimes suck the full
    puke tank back in as it cooled and work for a few laps then overheat
    again.  I would refill the unit belch it at the radiator and it would
    work again for a while.
    After a couple of disappointing track days, I was under the car and
    followed the radiator lines forward.  The engine return was routed from
    the top of the radiator.  I found that when the car was rebuilt some
    years before they had replaced the radiator with a "Chevy" style
    radiator which had the lines reversed.  My engine return was from the
    top of the radiator and the engine hot was going to the bottom of the
    radiator.  Rearranged different radiator hook up hoses and it has been
    fine since.
    Sometimes the obvious isn't
    jerry knotts
    On 9/17/2016 9:56 AM, Julian Kift wrote:
It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system,
    although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed
    most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of
    the problem.
I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated
    in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about
    swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup.
    When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it
    was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and
    voila heating issues resolved.
It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big
    $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about
    these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way
    of a good story"
Julian
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    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
guys
    i had overheating problems
    i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
    back to the swirl tank  and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a
    top bleed screw
    so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe
    to it
    then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock
    brackets
    and wired them directly from the battery  to the relays
    i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
    i removed that and fitted a new stat
    now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
    195f   in all conditions
    my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
    steady and i know what to expect
    very happy with result
    owen cooke
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    > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
    > From: Jack Donahue [9][9]<demongusta@gmail.com>
    > To: [10][10]"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"
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    > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
    > Message-ID: [14][14]<CF682A66-9CF9-422E-AD65-2D23A9ABE4BC@gmail.com>
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    >
    > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
    now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
    > Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
    are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
    offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
    me.
    > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
    > jack
    > #4348
    >
    > ------------------------------
    >
    > Message: 2
    > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
    > From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" [15][15]<terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>
    > To: Jack Donahue [16][16]<demongusta@gmail.com>,
    >        [17][17]"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"
    [18][18]<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
    > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
    > Message-ID: [19][19]<D4016E9F.92F3B%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>
    > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
    >
    > Jack,
    >
    > Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.
    I'm not going to change it
    > now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal
    with it.  So keep posting and
    > I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
    >
    > Terry
    >
    >
    >
    > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
    >   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
    >
    > Terry W. Himes
    > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
    > Dawn Spacecraft Team
    > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
    > Phone: (818) 393-6261
    > Cell:     (818) 653-8213
    > Fax:     (818) 393-3147
    > [[20]20]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[3][21][21]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>
    > ??
    >
    > From: DeTomaso
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    > Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
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    > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
    >
    > Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
    radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
    wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
    admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
    but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
    really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
    now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
    ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
    > Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
    are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
    sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
    and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
    since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
    perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
    offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
    me.
    > So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
    > jack
    > #4348
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Thomas,
   I had to cut about 8 inches off of one of the SS lines and turn it a
   bit.  Then take a tour of the back room of our auto parts store to find
   a formed hose that I could cut up to provide the correct bends for the
   reverse attachment. Unfortunately it is about time to replace the cut
   up hose and I don't have any idea which hose I used.
   jerry knotts
   On 9/19/2016 9:07 AM, Thomas Toernblom wrote:

   Checking the service manual I see that the return line to the water
   pump is connected to the top, and this is how it has always been
   connected on my car.
   Personally I think it makes sense to have it connected to the bottom
   for at least two reasons:
   1) The coolant is at least in theory cooler at the bottom
   2) It will supply coolant longer if there is a leak.
   Not sure how easy it would be to reverse the lines on my car. The lines
   would have to cross each other.
   Thomas
   Den 2016-09-19 kl. 15:46, skrev Jerry Knotts:

   When I bought my first Pantera in 2000 I had a heating problem at the
   track.  When It would puke about 1/2 gal of coolant it would overheat
   and was hell to try and keep cool.  It would sometimes suck the full
   puke tank back in as it cooled and work for a few laps then overheat
   again.  I would refill the unit belch it at the radiator and it would
   work again for a while.
   After a couple of disappointing track days, I was under the car and
   followed the radiator lines forward.  The engine return was routed from
   the top of the radiator.  I found that when the car was rebuilt some
   years before they had replaced the radiator with a "Chevy" style
   radiator which had the lines reversed.  My engine return was from the
   top of the radiator and the engine hot was going to the bottom of the
   radiator.  Rearranged different radiator hook up hoses and it has been
   fine since.
   Sometimes the obvious isn't
   jerry knotts
   On 9/17/2016 9:56 AM, Julian Kift wrote:

   It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system,
   although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed
   most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of
   the problem.

   I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated
   in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about
   swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup.
   When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it
   was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and
   voila heating issues resolved.

   It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big
   $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about
   these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way
   of a good story"

   Julian
     __________________________________________________________________

   From: DeTomaso [1][1][1]<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
of
   Owen Cooke [2][2][2]<owen@tadhgcooke.com>
   Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM
   To: [[[3]3]3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19

   guys
   i had overheating problems
   i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
   back to the swirl tank  and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a
   top bleed screw
   so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe
   to it
   then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock
   brackets
   and wired them directly from the battery  to the relays
   i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
   i removed that and fitted a new stat
   now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
   195f   in all conditions
   my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
   steady and i know what to expect
   very happy with result
   owen cooke
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Daily Detomaso List Digest
Today's Topics:
1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
    2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C))
    3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
    4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ)
    5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
    6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
    7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock)
    8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
    9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green)
   10.  McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
   11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
   12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
   13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman)
   14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
   15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock)
   16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
   17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift)
   18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
   19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
   20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
   21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier)
   22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn)
   23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill)
   24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill)
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
From: Jack Donahue [9][9][9]<demongusta@gmail.com>
To: [10][10][10]"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"
       [11][11][11]<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
...
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
   are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
   and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
   since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
...
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" [15][15][15]<terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Jack Donahue [16][16][16]<demongusta@gmail.com>,
       [17][17][17]"detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"
   [18][18][18]<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Jack,
Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.
   I'm not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal
   with it.  So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
Terry
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
  stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
[[[20]20]20]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<[3][21][21][21]mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
   radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
   wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
   admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
   but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
   really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
   now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they
   are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
   and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
   since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
   wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
   admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke,
   but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There
   really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right
   now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
   perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
   me.
   perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
   me.
...
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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