Well said, Chuck. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Charles Engles Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:53 PM To: audionut@hushmail.com; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Dear Audiohut and Effie, Well, yes, we are brought together by our passion and love for the Pantera. Yes, it is only a car club. However, I have found that, at this point, I enjoy the Pantera people as much as or more than the wonderful Pantera. Because I have been around long enough to know personally or by reputation many of the Forum members and POCA members, I respect them as extraordinary people with whom I share a mutual fascination for the Pantera. It only a car club, but the fabric of the club is the people. When their voluntary unpaid efforts and contributions are belittled and disrespected to the point that they lose heart and drop out of the fabric, that is appalling. Granted the miracle of the new Forum keeps them in touch with us, it is still a loss to us and to the club. It is something more than a minor difference of opinion or point of view about a car or a car club. For what it's worth. Still philosophically yours, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of audionut@hushmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 3:22 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] POCA Damn. Hate to see this happen. Why should anything that is going on personally amongst POCA members get to the point where folks are quitting? I mean, it's just a car club, right? If people start an organization out of love for a special car and the whole thing turns into some kind of petty battleground, what the hell is the point? Isn't it supposed to be fun to enjoy and preserve our cars together? Seems very odd to me that the simple human value of having fun, with the Pantera interest in particular, is not being held higher than nose-to-the-grindstone, hard-core business values that some feel must be maintained with fanatical fervor. I do not pretend to know all the inside details here-- I can only say that I do not give a flying turd if we spend too much $$ on a certain print shop or whether we recruit new members. I don't even understand "recruiting" anyway. Whenever someone tries to recruit me for anything, I feel like whatever it is they want me to join must suck or else they wouldn't feel the need to do it. Let new Pantera people come to us. ( I will miss the newsletter in the mail for sure. There is no chance that I will go digging for it on the internet.) So maybe we voted "Vlad The Impaler" to the POCA helm? Oops. Oh well, looks like we gotta ride this one out, folks. Not a big deal, unless you are among the politburo and are not digging it. If that is the case, by all means bow-out. I sure would. But, to me anyway, POCA is all of us Pantera lovers and that can only amount to more good than bad. Sorry to see someone go who was doing a great job with Profiles and who clearly had a passion for doing so. That job is no cakewalk. Sent using Hushmail On June 7, 2016 at 8:39 PM, gonancy@juno.com wrote:Dear Forum, Even though I've just been a lurker and occasional poster and spellcheck nazi on the Forum since its inception, I wanted to put it out to the Pantera Community that I will be letting Judy McCartney know that I am ending my membership in POCA effective immediately. That means my associate member, the Profiles Editor, will be leaving also. Mike has the June issue at the printer's right now. It will be his last issue. As an aside, Mike couldn't even put his own profile on the POCA website, even though he's on the BOD, because he's an associate member, not a "true " member according to whomever it was that he contacted about it. How do you like that? Makes him sound like a second class citizen. It's been a great 25 years, GoNancy Haney P.S. I listened in on the last BOD meeting last week and it was all I could do to keep my mouth shut. A monumental effort on my part. I could not believe my ears sometimes at what MS was saying. He is a real piece of work. ____________________________________________________________ Nextiva vFAX Why Do You Still Have An Old Fax Machine? http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/5757934166446134075b2st03vuc _______________________________________________ Detomaso Forum NO LONGER Managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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