One issue with not banning for life, is that a soon-to-be x-member would still have access to club data, (like a roster), e-mail addresses (to poach members) and the website and 'forum'(to harass and intimidate with hate speech). As MS has publically stated he will destroy POCA, and stated he has created a competing club it would be more than necessary to remove him from any and all access to anything related to POCA. Apparently his last survey was sent to a list of people that may have still unknowingly supported him, but I suspect that e-mail list came from data he had access to, while POCA Prez. With the recent announcements from POCA (Big thanks to Ed Mendez, POCA PR) regarding BOD officers and re-filled positions, I see GREAT progress! The BOD is even adopting what good ideas came from this disaster, which is professional and cool-headed thinking. Now THAT is Progressive. Chuck