Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma

10 Aug 2016

      Stephen,

Yes I think zinc is what most would use and most common in the boating World. Fluidyne actually sell a zinc anode drain plug for their radiators;

https://www.summitracing.com/nv/parts/fld-fhp32004/overview/

They are very proud of these, a 1/4 npt "pencil anode" is available from West Marine or Amazon for less than half the price.

Last time I visited the Fluidynbe website they were recommending something other than 'No Rosion' now, but I cannot recall what it was and their website is now down for reconstruction.

Julian

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma

I was interested to note the recommendation for a magnesium anode – I have zinc anodes in several of my cars that have aluminum heads or radiators.  So, I looked it up on line:

Magnesium has a low current capacity. Like a bowl of nuts, it’s quickly eaten. Zinc and aluminum are akin to a plate piled high with home cooking. The meal lasts longer. So, though magnesium offers more protective electrons faster, it protects for only about one-third the time of zinc, and just one-fifth the time of aluminum.

http://www.boatingmag.com/how-to/choosing-right-sacrificial-anode

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma

I was asking, because i know from my boating hobby, that an anode, that is not eaten up, doesn't do anything in the system.

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Am 10.08.2016 um 09:16 schrieb thomas < <mailto:thomas@hax.se> thomas@hax.se>:
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Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to change it in ten years?
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I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in my Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for well over ten years without issues.
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On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela MacArthur"
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the Ron Davis sold by Pantera Performance.
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Dennis Quella @ [1] <http://panteraperformance.com/> http://panteraperformance.com/  was
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from Ron Davis racing. I was told they do not stock them and they
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Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't heard of
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Hope this helps some, good luck.
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma
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Hello Jack:
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma Hey all - I need some good
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advice on radiators. I currently have a Fluidyne performance unit
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without a shroud. I've been told that a shroud is a necessity,
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which I understand. I've had it for about 12 years now - no
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leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a unit by Dennis
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the last I had read from someone was just to get his radiator and
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"be done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I guess that's
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good) - and I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me asks -
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which is better - copper or aluminum? And Why? I know the copper
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units are heavier, but I am not concerned about extra weight. I
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am familiar with the company  - Brassworks - they have been at it
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since the early 1900's. Ken and Lela MacArthur had mentioned
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Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I know the discussion will
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since it will generate more questions too. Looking forward to hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
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   Stephen,

   Yes I think zinc is what most would use and most common in the boating
   World. Fluidyne actually sell a zinc anode drain plug for their
   radiators;

   [1]https://www.summitracing.com/nv/parts/fld-fhp32004/overview/

   They are very proud of these, a 1/4 npt "pencil anode" is available
   from West Marine or Amazon for less than half the price.

   Last time I visited the Fluidynbe website they were recommending
   something other than 'No Rosion' now, but I cannot recall what it was
   and their website is now down for reconstruction.

   Julian
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   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
   Stephen <steve@snclocks.com>
   Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 7:24 AM
   To: 'Roland'; 'thomas'
   Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma

   I was interested to note the recommendation for a magnesium anode - I
   have zinc anodes in several of my cars that have aluminum heads or
   radiators.  So, I looked it up on line:
   Magnesium has a low current capacity. Like a bowl of nuts, it's quickly
   eaten. Zinc and aluminum are akin to a plate piled high with home
   cooking. The meal lasts longer. So, though magnesium offers more
   protective electrons faster, it protects for only about one-third the
   time of zinc, and just one-fifth the time of aluminum.
   [2]http://www.boatingmag.com/how-to/choosing-right-sacrificial-anode
   Stephen Nelson
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   From: DeTomaso [[3]mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On
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   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma

   I was asking, because i know from my boating hobby, that an anode, that
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It looks like this:  <[5]http://www.boatzincs.com/engine-sizes.html>
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Interesting about the anode. How often did you have to change it in
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Am 10.08.2016 um 03:14 schrieb Thomas Toernblom <
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I installed a magnesium anode instead of the drain cock in my
Fluidyne radiator a few years back. I've had this radiator for well
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9 aug. 2016 kl. 23:29 skrev Larry Stock <
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The Pantera Parts Connection Fluidyne system with shroud and fans
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$1250.00 complete. We have never had one fail since running the
No-rossion water treatment additive to insure the Lucas
electrical
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back-feed doesn^1t turn the Aluminum radiator into an anode,
   which
is the main reason for aluminum radiators to fail. BTW Soft water
works best for filling your system against electrolysis. Larry
On 8/9/16, 1:28 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken and Lela
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<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of
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Jack,
I received lots of good feedback on radiators recently as you
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have seen. I have an older Hall Brass radiator that was in good
shape overall in our car which I decided to repair for a couple
hundred bucks and add their Mariah fans since mine were stock.
Many people like the Hall one. Many liked aluminum, especially
the Ron Davis sold by Pantera Performance.
Dennis Quella @ [1] <[12]http://panteraperformance.com/>
   [13]http://panteraperformance.com/  was
recommended for a high quality, all tig welded aluminum setup
from Ron Davis racing. I was told they do not stock them and
<[7]mailto:unnerstad.ekelund@gmail.com> unnerstad.ekelund@gmail.com>:
   they
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special order them as needed, takes about 3 weeks to a month. I
believe his radiator and fans package are around $1600.
Doing some research, I came across Brassworks, haven't heard of
anyone but they do reference a Pantera owner on their site. They
are kind of expensive, around $1300. There may be other
Brass/copper radiators done by others, but I haven't seen any.
Sooo, timing and money were one factor for us, plus our radiator
is repairable and works well, will work even better once the
   fans
and correct relays are in. The Hall radiator is around $600
   brand new.
[2] <[14]http://hallpantera.com/> [15]http://hallpantera.com/
Hope this helps some, good luck.
Ken MacArthur
72L 4443

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Hello Jack:
What seems to be the problem with your existing setup, you have
had it
12 years ?
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma Hey all - I need some good
advice on radiators. I currently have a Fluidyne performance
   unit
without a shroud. I've been told that a shroud is a necessity,
which I understand. I've had it for about 12 years now - no
leaks. The rumblings on The List lean towards a unit by Dennis
Quella(?) - don't know the correct spelling or the company, but
the last I had read from someone was just to get his radiator
   and
"be done with it". I think it was a double-pass (I guess that's
good) - and I assume it's shrouded. Another side of me asks -
which is better - copper or aluminum? And Why? I know the copper
units are heavier, but I am not concerned about extra weight. I
am familiar with the company  - Brassworks - they have been at
   it
since the early 1900's. Ken and Lela MacArthur had mentioned
Brassworks in July. So - here we go - I know the discussion will
generate a fair amount of opinions - which I always welcome,
since it will generate more questions too. Looking forward to
   hearing from all the experts - i know you are out there.
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Re: [DeTomaso] Radiator Dilemma

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