I read an article someplace in the past couple of weeks that VW is stepping away from touch screens and going back to knobs and levers. The punch line was "it's a car not a phone!" LOL Jeff/2467
On 04/12/2025 8:29 AM PDT Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
I suspect many new cars will become obsolete in 10 years because it will be expensive to maintain them. Especially a car having $20,000 batteries that will be worth less than the cost of new batteries when it is 10 years old.
On Saturday, April 12, 2025 at 07:48:22 AM PDT, <jim.kosloskey@jim-kosloskey.com> wrote:
I have 4 vehicles (Pantera, F-150, Honda Fit, Winnebago MH). Fortunately, with little or no electronics (the newest model is 2013). The wife has a 2022 vehicle which I rarely drive and so far, the electronics are not obtrusive but I can imagine the challenge with multiple more modern vehicles.
Personally, I don't think I need a PC as my dash controls.
-----Original Message----- From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2025 10:29 AM To: JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Pantera horn ….. uh, ya gotta read it
How many modern people have multiple brands of cars!
I have a pickup, a Jeep, wife had a Lexus, etc.
And, with modern cars having so many electronic/computer gizmos - learning everything for each brand is, well, tough! ________________________________ From: Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 9:51 PM To: JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Pantera horn ….. uh, ya gotta read it
Hahahaha 🤣
Jack, well that narrows it down to between 12 and maybe 24 issues.
John, well….thats where they want to put the high beam foot switch.
😐 Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired
On Apr 11, 2025, at 14:30, JOHN NEAL <jrnealjr@aol.com> wrote:
Only works if you never turn the steering wheel left or right.
In todays cars they have a clock spring.
It would be easier to put a high beam light switch on the floor. them a clock spring in the steering wheel. LOL In a message dated 4/11/2025 4:25:50 PM Central Daylight Time, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com writes:
Asa, back in the '80s, a Swedish POCA member converted his Pantera to have a wheel-center horn also using the Ghia logo button. I did an illustrated Newsletter article on it. He did have to make some parts but it seemed quite do-able, as I remember. And no- I don't remember what issue but it was before year 2000. On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 01:27:47 PM PDT, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: So, Ummm …. I was approached by a Pantera owner today who would like their horn button to be in the center of the steering wheel -and- be functional. I don’t recall ever seeing such a thing done, but doesn’t mean it hasn’t been. Short of fabricating a slip ring kind of affair, I don’t see it being possible. What does the collective know? Has this been done and how? Thank you, Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to [2]detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. References 1. [2]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com 2. [3]mailto:detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com
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Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. I suspect many new cars will become obsolete in 10 years because it will be expensive to maintain them. Especially a car having $20,000 batteries that will be worth less than the cost of new batteries when it is 10 years old. On Saturday, April 12, 2025 at 07:48:22 AM PDT, <jim.kosloskey@jim-kosloskey.com> wrote: I have 4 vehicles (Pantera, F-150, Honda Fit, Winnebago MH). Fortunately, with little or no electronics (the newest model is 2013). The wife has a 2022 vehicle which I rarely drive and so far, the electronics are not obtrusive but I can imagine the challenge with multiple more modern vehicles. Personally, I don't think I need a PC as my dash controls. -----Original Message----- From: Bill Lewis <[1]lotus0005@hotmail.com> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2025 10:29 AM To: JOHN NEAL <[2]jrnealjr@aol.com>; Asa Jay Laughton <[3]asajay@asajay.com> Cc: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Pantera horn ….. uh, ya gotta read it How many modern people have multiple brands of cars! I have a pickup, a Jeep, wife had a Lexus, etc. And, with modern cars having so many electronic/computer gizmos - learning everything for each brand is, well, tough! ________________________________ From: Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 9:51 PM To: JOHN NEAL <[6]jrnealjr@aol.com> Cc: [7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Re: Pantera horn ….. uh, ya gotta read it Hahahaha 🤣 Jack, well that narrows it down to between 12 and maybe 24 issues. John, well….thats where they want to put the high beam foot switch. 😐 Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired On Apr 11, 2025, at 14:30, JOHN NEAL <[9]jrnealjr@aol.com> wrote: Only works if you never turn the steering wheel left or right. In todays cars they have a clock spring. It would be easier to put a high beam light switch on the floor. them a clock spring in the steering wheel. LOL In a message dated 4/11/2025 4:25:50 PM Central Daylight Time, [10]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com writes: Asa, back in the '80s, a Swedish POCA member converted his Pantera to have a wheel-center horn also using the Ghia logo button. I did an illustrated Newsletter article on it. He did have to make some parts but it seemed quite do-able, as I remember. And no- I don't remember what issue but it was before year 2000. On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 01:27:47 PM PDT, Asa Jay Laughton via DeTomaso <[1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote: So, Ummm …. I was approached by a Pantera owner today who would like their horn button to be in the center of the steering wheel -and- be functional. I don’t recall ever seeing such a thing done, but doesn’t mean it hasn’t been. Short of fabricating a slip ring kind of affair, I don’t see it being possible. What does the collective know? Has this been done and how? Thank you, Asa Jay MSgT, USAFR, Retired _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list -- [1]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com To unsubscribe send an email to [2]detomaso-leave@server.detomasolist.com To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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