[DeTomaso] Oil Suggestions

17 Sep 2016

      Good Morning Everyone,

I don't want to startup the oil discussion again.  But does anyone have thoughts on
Rotella Type T 15w40.  Which is a heavy duty diesel oil.  It was suggested by a local
Mustang shop.  I like to use the best oil.   No synthetics.

My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has about 3,500 miles
on it and running great.

Thanks so much.

Terry

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
 stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>>
Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM
To: Owen Cooke <owen@tadhgcooke.com<mailto:owen@tadhgcooke.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19

It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system, although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of the problem.

I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup. When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and voila heating issues resolved.

It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way of a good story"

Julian

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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19

guys

i had overheating problems

i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
back to the swirl tank  and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a
top bleed screw

so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe
to it

then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets
and wired them directly from the battery  to the relays

i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder

i removed that and fitted a new stat

now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
195f   in all conditions

my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
steady and i know what to expect

very happy with result

owen cooke

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     1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
     2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C))
     3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
     4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ)
     5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
     6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)
     7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock)
     8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
     9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green)
    10.  McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)
    11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
    12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)
    13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman)
    14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)
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    16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700
From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000
From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>>
To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Jack,

Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.  I'm not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with it.  So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)

Terry

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov><mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>
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From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com><mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com><mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud

Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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     Jack,
     Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.  I'm
     not going to change it
     now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with
     it.  So keep posting and
     I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
     Terry

     "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

     Terry W. Himes

     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

     Dawn Spacecraft Team

     Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

     Phone: (818) 393-6261

     Cell:     (818) 653-8213

     Fax:     (818) 393-3147

     [1]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>

     From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
     of Jack Donahue <[3]demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
     Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
     To: "[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
     <[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
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     <[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud

     Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
     about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
     since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
     have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't
     broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol.
     There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it
     right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
     "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven".
     Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are
     suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved"  -
     sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
     and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's
     since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
     perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
     offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
     me.
     So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
     jack
     #4348
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:03:20 -0700
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.

I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

Roy

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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 17:08:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: LSJ <lashdeep@yahoo.com<mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com>>
To: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>>,  "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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What size wheel up front?
?LSJ

central wines-spirits?? est 1934

625 e street nw
washington, dc 20004
centralwines.com

facebook.com/CentralLiquors

202-737-2800

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   Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car

I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.

I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

Roy
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     What size wheel up front?

     LSJ
     central
     wines-spirits   est 1934
     625 e street nw
     washington, dc 20004
     [1]centralwines.com
     [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
     202-737-2800
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     To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
     I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
     rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
     I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
     give
     the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
     Thanks in advance for your thoughts
     Roy
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:13:05 -0700
From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
To: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Terry - I don?t have the original radiator - I currently have a Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front. Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one for the whole ?Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good - (PHPP).  Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was ?converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be  more reliable - and more repairable (which I like).
jack

On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C) <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:

Jack,

Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.  I'm not going to change it
now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with it.  So keep posting and
I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)

Terry

"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
   stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

Terry W. Himes
JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Dawn Spacecraft Team
Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
Phone: (818) 393-6261
Cell:     (818) 653-8213
Fax:     (818) 393-3147
thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> <mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>
??

From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com> <mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> <mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
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Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud

Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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     Terry - I don't have the original radiator - I currently have a
     Fluidyne with twin suckers, tilted forward, and A/C condenser in front.
     Originally, I wanted to just add a shroud, based on a friend of mine
     who does some serious off-road driving - he swears by a shroud - says
     it really made a difference for him and that I should AT LEAST get one
     for the whole "Pantera-Heat-Prevention Program. That sounds good -
     (PHPP).  Anyway, the more I looked into things, the more I was
     "converted" to brass/copper as it seems to be  more reliable - and more
     repairable (which I like).

     jack

     On Sep 16, 2016, at 9:54 AM, Himes, Terry (397C)
     <[1]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>> wrote:

     Jack,
     Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.  I'm
     not going to change it
     now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with
     it.  So keep posting and
     I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)
     Terry
     "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,
      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
     Terry W. Himes
     JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory
     Dawn Spacecraft Team
     Rosetta Sequence Team Lead
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     [2]thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov>
     From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
     of Jack Donahue <[4]demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
     Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
     To: "[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
     <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
     Cc: "[7]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
     <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
     Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
     about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
     since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
     have to admit it's because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain't
     broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn't want to admit that, but...Lol.
     There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don't want to mention it
     right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
     "build-to-suit" - but the Hall unit looks to be "tried-and-proven".
     Now - fans. I really don't know the brand name of my fans, but they are
     suckers - about 12" diameter - and the blades are "curved"  -
     sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
     and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone's post about the Flex-a-lite's
     since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
     perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
     offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
     me.
     So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
     jack
     #4348
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 10:17:31 -0700
From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
To: GR2835@comcast.net<mailto:GR2835@comcast.net>
Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
        <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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There-in lies one of my problems - I could never MAKE a shroud. I wish I could - maybe out of foil-wrap. I will check out that website, thanks.

On Sep 16, 2016, at 10:07 AM, GR2835@comcast.net<mailto:GR2835@comcast.net> wrote:

Pantera Electronics has recommended fans with part numbers under the fan controller button on their website.
I have a stock radiator that was modified for lay down and air conditioning condenser up front........I have a fan shroud that I made and mounted the 2 sucker fans. 192 thermostat ran 192 in a 14 mile traffic jam last year that.took me 90 minutes to get through.......temperature was 98 degrees leaving the 2015 Woodward Cruise...........my wife complained that she was too cold with the air set on the warmest setting.
Good luck
Gerry in Illinois
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From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
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Sent: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:29:46 -0000 (UTC)
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud

Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 11:24:26 -0700
From: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>
To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
        <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Hi Jack,

You should be able to use the fans off the Fluidyne, if not we have our
Maridyne system fans and our own bracket kit and if you need shrouds for a
full lie-down system, we have those too. Typically we recommend our half
Lay forward system which minimizes the thru air turbulence.

    11041B Defl. Rad. S.S. Lay down for kit $95.00
11042B Stainless deflector right $65.00
11043B Stainless deflector left $65.00

11055B Radiator Puller Fan Shroud SS Mounting brackets set of 3 $125.00
11055P PPC Puller Fans & Shroud Assy $325.00

If the Hall Brass radiator has the stock quick 90 degree hard radiator
tubes installed, you will not be able to mount a puller fan shroud under
those tubes, if it has the straight out tubes then you can use 90 degree
molded rubber hoses to clear the Puller shroud like your Fluidyne.

Larry Stock

Pantera Parts Connection LC
550 Mallory Way
Carson City NV 89701
www.PanteraParts.com<http://www.PanteraParts.com>
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On 9/16/16, 9:29 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Jack Donahue"
<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about  radiators
- all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted
brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit
it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am
fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an
ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran
my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the
Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and
Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they
said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match
for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up  a part
number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:09:55 -0500
From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>>
To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
Message-ID:
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Good afternoon!

Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they say is
Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've had a
fantastic experience with them on another performance car application.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22

Thank you!!
-------------- next part --------------
     Good afternoon!
     Has anyone installed the McLeod hydraulic throwout bearing that they
     say is Pantera specific for the ZF, and what was your experience? I've
     had a fantastic experience with them on another performance car
     application.
     [1]https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22
     Thank you!!

References

     1. https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mcl-1402-22

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ken Green <kenn_green@yahoo.com<mailto:kenn_green@yahoo.com>>
To: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>,
        "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
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Jack,
??? You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/universal/pr...

        From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
   To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
   Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
   Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud

Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about? radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.? And, yes Mike Drew, I have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol. There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it right now; but I ran my idea past? Brassworks? - who says they will ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.
Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?? - sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL, and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone offered-up? a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for me.
So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
jack
#4348
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     Jack,
         You should be able to find the fan and shroud here:
     [1]https://www.flex-a-lite.com/electric-fans/12-volt-electric-fans/univ
     ersal/primary-fans.html
       __________________________________________________________________

     From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com<mailto:demongusta@gmail.com>>
     To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
     <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
     Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
     <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud
     Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List about
     radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator, since I
     wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I have to
     admit itas because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ainat broke,
     but I am fixing it(?). Didnat want to admit that, but...Lol. There
     really is an ulterior motive, but I just donat want to mention it right
     now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
     abuild-to-suita - but the Hall unit looks to be atried-and-provena.
     Now - fans. I really donat know the brand name of my fans, but they are
     suckers - about 12a diameter - and the blades are acurveda  -
     sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
     and Flex-a-lite. I had read someoneas post about the Flex-a-liteas
     since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
     perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
     offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
     me.
     So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:
     jack
     #4348
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:35:17 -0700
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>>
To: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: [DeTomaso]  McLeod hydraulic throw out
Message-ID: <6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156@aol.com<mailto:6C366701-6502-47C0-A0DC-59494515D156@aol.com>>
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Cullen,

2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in 2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with and ordered directly from McLeod.

My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"

The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up very long against grinding by a pressure plate.

The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.

Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice. What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a ? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company. No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.

While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the transaxle and start all over again.

The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine. Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that road for themselves.

Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory details.

Larry

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 12:50:41 -0700
From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>>
To: LSJ <lashdeep@yahoo.com<mailto:lashdeep@yahoo.com>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
        <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
wide.

On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:
What size wheel up front?
LSJ

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*Subject:* [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car

I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.

I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would give
the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?

Thanks in advance for your thoughts

Roy
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     Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
     They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
     wide.

     On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:

     What size wheel up front?

     LSJ
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     To: [4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
     I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
     rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
     I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
     give
     the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
     Thanks in advance for your thoughts
     Roy
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:00:36 -0700
From: MyCars <mycars@comcast.net<mailto:mycars@comcast.net>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
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I just checked Weld's website
http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.html

They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9" wide

On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:
      Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
      They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
      wide.

      On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:

      What size wheel up front?

      LSJ
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      Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
      I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
      rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
      I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
      give
      the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
      Thanks in advance for your thoughts
      Roy
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     I just checked Weld's website
     [1]http://weldwheels.com/shop/street-strip/sport-forged-wheels/prostar.
     html
     They do not offer a 15" rim 9.5" wide, so I would guess they are 9"
     wide

     On 9/16/2016 12:50 PM, MyCars wrote:

     Going off memory (my car is still in Seattle) I am in San Diego area.
     They are 15" Aluminum Weld 5-spoke rims, that I believe are about 9.5"
     wide.

     On 9/16/2016 10:08 AM, LSJ wrote:

     What size wheel up front?

     LSJ
     central
     wines-spirits   est 1934
     625 e street nw
     washington, dc 20004
     [1]centralwines.com
     [2]facebook.com/CentralLiquors
     202-737-2800
       __________________________________________________________________

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     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 1:03 PM
     Subject: [DeTomaso] Tires for Grp IV Flared Car
     I just bought 345-35 R15 Pirelli Asimmetrico (24.8" tall) tires for the
     rear and wondering what would be a good match for the front.
     I found 225-50 R15 Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R (23.9" tall). This would
     give
     the car a bit of rake, but what would the handling be like?
     Thanks in advance for your thoughts
     Roy
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:27 -0400
From: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>>
To: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>>, Email List Address For
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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Wow.

I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.

My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.

At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.

--
Will

On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

Cullen,

2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.

My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"

The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.

The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.

Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.

While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
transaxle and start all over again.

The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.

Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.

Larry

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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:50:41 -0500
From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>>
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Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I have
one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there for
several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that was "new"
but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to inquire about
fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to "ensure a positive
experience". I installed it with a performance clutch and a scattershield,
bled it according to the instructions and that was about 4 years ago.
Havent had a lick of trouble.  (knocking on wood now).

the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch
fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive had a
bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in the
past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.

however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up my P
car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not to use
the factory unit.  Thank you sir.

Cullen

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>>
wrote:

Wow.

I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.

My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.

At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.

--
Will

On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

Cullen,

2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.

My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"

The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.

The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.

Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.

While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
transaxle and start all over again.

The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.

Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.

Larry

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     Thank you Larry. You answered my question perfectly. I am like Will, I
     have one on my Cobra as well, with a ford Top Loader and its been there
     for several years and Ive always loved it. I actually bought one that
     was "new" but several generations old, and when I called McLeod to
     inquire about fresh O-rings, they sent me a brand new unit just to
     "ensure a positive experience". I installed it with a performance
     clutch and a scattershield, bled it according to the instructions and
     that was about 4 years ago. Havent had a lick of trouble.A  (knocking
     on wood now).
     the frame rails on my cobra are 24" apart and I couldn't fit the clutch
     fork between the side of the bellhousing and the frame rail, and ive
     had a bad experience with performance clutches and cables breaking in
     the past...so I went the hydraulic route and have loved it.
     however... I will certainly consider carefully this drama as I set up
     my P car. I have a plan B with an external slave also, if I choose not
     to use the factory unit.A  Thank you sir.
     Cullen

     On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:26 PM, Will Kooiman
     <[1]will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote:

       Wow.
       I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
       My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
       available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A  Rather than
       building a new
       bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
       At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
       --
       Will
       On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"

     <[2]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
     >Cullen,
     >
     >2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it
     in
     >2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
     recently
     >did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
     >and ordered directly from McLeod.
     >
     >My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
     >
     >The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
     >spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still
     had
     >on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
     fitting
     >where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
     >course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
     >attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold
     up
     >very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
     >
     >The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
     >outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
     >
     >Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild
     kit
     >I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
     invoice.
     >What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
     which
     >uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined
     that
     >for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
     >exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as
     a
     >A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
     company.
     >No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
     generations.
     >
     >While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the
     task
     >of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
     >unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull
     the
     >transaxle and start all over again.
     >
     >The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as
     has
     >been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
     >Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
     >experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
     >road for themselves.
     >
     >Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
     >details.
     >
     >Larry
     >
     >Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 13:53:15 -0700
From: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>
To: Will Kooiman <will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>>, Larry Finch
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The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry

On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote:

Wow.

I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.

My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.

At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.

--
Will

On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

Cullen,

2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.

My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"

The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.

The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.

Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.

While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
transaxle and start all over again.

The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.

Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.

Larry

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Message: 16
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:11:22 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>
To: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>
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All,

Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.

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Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote:

    Rob,

    If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
    eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable.
    It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web
    site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.

    Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt
    tensioning a breeze.

    [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm

References

    1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
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Message: 17
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:16:34 +0000
From: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>>
To: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>, Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>,
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Mike,

It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on the rear.

Julian
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises

All,

Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.

[cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote:

    Rob,

    If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
    eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it adjustable.
    It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's web
    site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.

    Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and belt
    tensioning a breeze.

    [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm

References

    1. http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
[http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.jpg]<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>

Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...<http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm>
www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley, this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind the bracket to tighten in ...

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     Mike,

     It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
     that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
     adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
     the rear.
     Julian
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     From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
     Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
     Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
     To: David Nunn
     Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises

     All,
     Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
     is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
     kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
     [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
     Mike
     Sent from my iPhone
     On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote:
     >   Rob,
     >
     >   If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
     >   eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
     adjustable.
     >   It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
     web
     >   site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
     >
     >   Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
     belt
     >   tensioning a breeze.
     >
     >   [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
     >
     > References
     >
     >   1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
     [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
     [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
     www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
     Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
     this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
     the bracket to tighten in ...
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:18:39 -0700
From: Mike Drew <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>>
Cc: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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Julian,

Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote:

    Mike,

    It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
    that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
    adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
    the rear.
    Julian
      __________________________________________________________________

    From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
    Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
    Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
    To: David Nunn
    Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises

    All,
    Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
    is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
    kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
    [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
    Mike
    Sent from my iPhone
    On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote:
   Rob,

   If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
   eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
    adjustable.
   It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
    web
   site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.

   Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
    belt
   tensioning a breeze.

   [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm

References

   1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
    [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
    [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
    www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
    Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
    this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
    the bracket to tighten in ...
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 14:19:14 -0700
From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches@aol.com<mailto:fresnofinches@aol.com>>
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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Heat?

As I previously wrote, I have over 50,000 miles using one of the McLeod systems.

Those 50,000 miles have all been WITH a black plastic plug in the hole that some wish to call a ventilation hole rather than an inspection hole. Your choice, I don't really care.

Whatever heat issues may or may not be present, with or without a plug, have never appeared to be an issue in any way, shape or form in my many years of experience.

I am all ears if Larry or anyone else has history that supports a failure of the McLeod unit from excessive heat.

Larry

Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

On Sep 16, 2016, at 1:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote:

The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry

On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote:

Wow.

I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.

My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.

At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.

--
Will

On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

Cullen,

2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.

My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"

The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.

The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.

Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.

While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
transaxle and start all over again.

The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.

Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.

Larry

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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:38:06 -0500
From: Cullen McCann <cmccann1972@gmail.com<mailto:cmccann1972@gmail.com>>
To: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>
Cc: Email List Address For Posting <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>,
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] McLeod hydraulic throw out
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well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to
mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.

On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>
wrote:

The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is using a
Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the DeTomaso
Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some vendors
offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of the bell
housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
Larry

On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
<detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote:

Wow.

I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.

My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.  Rather than building a new
bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.

At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.

--
Will

On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
<detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:

Cullen,

2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased it in
2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most recently
did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke with
and ordered directly from McLeod.

My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"

The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input snout
spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I still had
on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90? fitting
where one should have used a 45? fitting, twisted itself, unseen of
course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard line
attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't hold up
very long against grinding by a pressure plate.

The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long, sticking
outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.

Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same rebuild kit
I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous invoice.
What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit which
uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately determined that
for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has used
exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix such as a
? A or a ?B which to me seems indicative of a problem within the company.
No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two generations.

While you have some experience in using one of these previously, the task
of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting and
unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but pull the
transaxle and start all over again.

The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and as has
been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just fine.
Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based on my
experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down that
road for themselves.

Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the gory
details.

Larry

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     well, I have the quicktime bellhousing for the ZF on 4653. I forgot to
     mention that. Also didn't consider it would be relevant. hmmmm.

     On Fri, Sep 16, 2016 at 3:53 PM, Larry Stock
     <[1]larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>> wrote:

       The basic problem is that the bell housing is too confined and not
       ventilated well enough to dissipate the heat. The Superformance is
       using a
       Quick Time bell housing that has much more ventilation than the
       DeTomaso
       Bell housing. Just another reason not to run those Plugs that some
       vendors
       offer, that close off the inspection hole at the left hand top of
       the bell
       housing. That is the only heat dissipation vent there is.
       Larry
       On 9/16/16, 1:26 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Will Kooiman"
       <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of
       [3]will.kooiman@gmail.com<mailto:will.kooiman@gmail.com>> wrote:
       >Wow.
       >
       >I have one in my Cobra, and so far it has worked perfectly.
       >
       >My Cobra came with an external slave from a Volvo that was readily
       >available 20 years ago, but is now unobtanium.A  Rather than
       building a new
       >bracket for a different slave, I switched to a McLeod slave.
       >
       >At any rate, as I said, it has worked perfectly - so far.
       >
       >--
       >Will
       >
       >
       >
       >
       >
       >On 9/16/16 3:35 PM, "Larry Finch via DeTomaso"
       ><[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> wrote:
       >
       >>Cullen,
       >>
       >>2511 came equipped with one of those from Dennis when I purchased
       it in
       >>2002. Since then I have rebuilt the unit twice (three?) and most
       recently
       >>did so using what I believe to be their current offering. I spoke
       with
       >>and ordered directly from McLeod.
       >>
       >>My opinion, in brief, is a very simple "NO!!"
       >>
       >>The current offering was shipped to me with an incorrect input
       snout
       >>spacer (I solved that by using the old spacer which luckily I
       still had
       >>on hand), and the stainless steel input line, due to its 90ADEG
       fitting
       >>where one should have used a 45ADEG fitting, twisted itself,
       unseen of
       >>course, within the bell housing when it was connected to the hard
       line
       >>attached to the chassis rails. Even stainless steel lines don't
       hold up
       >>very long against grinding by a pressure plate.
       >>
       >>The stainless steel bleed line is about 4 inches too long,
       sticking
       >>outside the bell housing in a terrible display of ugly.
       >>
       >>Finally, my last experience started with me ordering the same
       rebuild kit
       >>I had previously used, using the same number off of the previous
       invoice.
       >>What I received from them was the rebuild kit for the current unit
       which
       >>uses an entirely different set of all rings. I ultimately
       determined that
       >>for all three generations of their hydraulic bearing McLeod has
       used
       >>exactly the same rebuild kit part number. They added no suffix
       such as a
       >>A A or a AB which to me seems indicative of a problem within the
       company.
       >>No, they no longer support a rebuild kit for the first two
       generations.
       >>
       >>While you have some experience in using one of these previously,
       the task
       >>of establishing proper free play and clearances is quite exacting
       and
       >>unforgiving. If you get it wrong there is nothing left to do but
       pull the
       >>transaxle and start all over again.
       >>
       >>The unit I have is now adjusted for the factory shortcomings and
       as has
       >>been my experience for over 50,000 miles, the system works just
       fine.
       >>Dennis however no longer recommends their installation and based
       on my
       >>experience I would not encourage any other owners to venture down
       that
       >>road for themselves.
       >>
       >>Feel free to reach out to me off-line or by phone for more of the
       gory
       >>details.
       >>
       >>Larry
       >>
       >>Sent from me using a magic, handheld electronic gizmo.

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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 21:46:51 +0000
From: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>>
To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>"
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Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
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Hi All,
I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.  Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission.  Manual or
automatic, either one.  It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time.  That?s the reason for the overdrive.

I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well.
What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?

Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael

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     Hi All,

     I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn since
     1961 and only has 25k miles,

     but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
     Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will

     remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
     Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.

     I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
     overdrive transmission.  Manual or

     automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be used
     regularly and would likely be run in an

     open road race some time.  That's the reason for the overdrive.

     I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
     what would work well.

     What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?

     Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.

     Michael

     Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10

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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 15:04:46 -0700
From: "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>
To: "'Mike Drew'" <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, "'Julian Kift'"
        <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>>
Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
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Julian,

Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with
both IPSCO items installed.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com]
Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>>
Cc: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises

Julian,

Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only
had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that
replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote:

    Mike,

    It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
    that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
    adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
    the rear.
    Julian
      __________________________________________________________________

    From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of
    Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
    Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
    To: David Nunn
    Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
    Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises

    All,
    Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
    is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
    kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
    [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
    Mike
    Sent from my iPhone
    On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote:
   Rob,

   If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
    adjustable.
   It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
    web
   site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.

   Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
    belt
   tensioning a breeze.

   [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm

References

   1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
    [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
    [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
    www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
    Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
    this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
    the bracket to tighten in ...
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:26:53 -0600
From: bill <bill@incendium.com<mailto:bill@incendium.com>>
To: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>>,
        "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
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Michael:Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.?

CheersBill MooreCalgary
-------- Original message --------From: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>> Date: 2016-09-16  3:46 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions
Hi All,
I?m putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since 1961 and only has 25k miles,
but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an overdrive transmission.? Manual or
automatic, either one.? It won?t be drag raced but will be used regularly and would likely be run in an
open road race some time.? That?s the reason for the overdrive.

I?ve been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering what would work well.
What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?

Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
Michael

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?? Hi All,

?? I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.? It sat in a barn since
?? 1961 and only has 25k miles,

?? but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
?? Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will

?? remain.? The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
?? Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.

?? I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
?? overdrive transmission.? Manual or

?? automatic, either one.? It won't be drag raced but will be used
?? regularly and would likely be run in an

?? open road race some time.? That's the reason for the overdrive.

?? I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
?? what would work well.

?? What would bolt up and work.? What would it come out of?

?? Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.

?? Michael

?? Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10

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     Michael:

     Screw that put a Ford flat head V8 in that suckered.

     Cheers

     Bill Moore

     Calgary

     -------- Original message --------
     From: michael frazier <red3644@hotmail.com<mailto:red3644@hotmail.com>>
     Date: 2016-09-16 3:46 PM (GMT-07:00)
     To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC, Need transmission suggestions

     Hi All,
     I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn since
     1961 and only has 25k miles,
     but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
     Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
     remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
     Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
     I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want an
     overdrive transmission.  Manual or
     automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be used
     regularly and would likely be run in an
     open road race some time.  That's the reason for the overdrive.
     I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
     what would work well.
     What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
     Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
     Michael
     Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
     Windows 10
        Hi All,
        I'm putting a 1951 Ford truck back on the road.  It sat in a barn
     since
        1961 and only has 25k miles,
        but those were farm miles and it is beat though not rusted out.
        Beautiful Rat Rod patina that will
        remain.  The frame is boxed and cross braced, and holds a complete
        Jaguar XJ suspension front and back.
        I plan to run a spare Cleveland, actually a real Boss 351, and want
     an
        overdrive transmission.  Manual or
        automatic, either one.  It won't be drag raced but will be used
        regularly and would likely be run in an
        open road race some time.  That's the reason for the overdrive.
        I've been out of this part of the game for a while and was wondering
        what would work well.
        What would bolt up and work.  What would it come out of?
        Any info and ideas would be greatly appreciated.
        Michael
        Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10
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Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:31:46 -0600
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Wow !,,,,
That looks to nice to cover up.....

CheersBill MooreCalgary
-------- Original message --------From: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> Date: 2016-09-16  4:04 PM  (GMT-07:00) To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift' <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
Julian,

Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine, with
both IPSCO items installed.

David

-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com]
Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>>
Cc: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises

Julian,

Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but only
had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler that
replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote:

?? Mike,

?? It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the one
?? that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but was
?? adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench on
?? the rear.
?? Julian
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?? Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
?? Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
?? To: David Nunn
?? Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
?? Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises

?? All,
?? Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note there
?? is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat firewall
?? kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
?? [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
?? Mike
?? Sent from my iPhone
?? On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote:
? Rob,

? If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit. It?
eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
?? adjustable.
? It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
?? web
? site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.

? Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
?? belt
? tensioning a breeze.

? [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm

References

? 1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
?? [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
?? [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
?? www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
?? Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler Pulley,
?? this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench behind
?? the bracket to tighten in ...
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     Wow !,,,,

     That looks to nice to cover up.....

     Cheers

     Bill Moore

     Calgary

     -------- Original message --------
     From: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>
     Date: 2016-09-16 4:04 PM (GMT-07:00)
     To: 'Mike Drew' <MikeLDrew@aol.com<mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com>>, 'Julian Kift'
     <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>>
     Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises

     Julian,
     Further to what Mike wrote; here's a photo of the front of my engine,
     with
     both IPSCO items installed.
     David
     -----Original Message-----
     From: Mike Drew [mailto:MikeLDrew@aol.com]
     Sent: September 16, 2016 2:19 PM
     To: Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>>
     Cc: David Nunn <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>>; detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
     Julian,
     Yes, he mentioned two different products for different applications but
     only
     had a link for the stock replacement idler. My photo shows the idler
     that
     replaces the alternator to tension the water pump belt.
     Mike
     Sent from my iPhone
     On Sep 16, 2016, at 14:16, Julian Kift <julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote:
     >   Mike,
     >
     >   It gets even better, that looks to be a different idler again, the
     one
     >   that was previously linked appears to go in the stock location, but
     was
     >   adjustable from the front negating the usual need to get a wrench
     on
     >   the rear.
     >   Julian
     >
     __________________________________________________________________
     >
     >   From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf
     of
     >   Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
     >   Sent: Friday, September 16, 2016 2:11 PM
     >   To: David Nunn
     >   Cc: <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>>
     >   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden Compressors noises
     >
     >   All,
     >   Here is a photo of the IPSCO water pump idler pulley setup. Note
     there
     >   is no alternator in view, as this car is fitted with a flat
     firewall
     >   kit that moves the alternator outboard of the A/C system.
     >
     [cid:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com<mailto:da0fdac9-8741-4e03-b676-ebaa4760fb6f@namprd18.prod.outlook.com>]
     >   Mike
     >   Sent from my iPhone
     >   On Sep 15, 2016, at 15:41, "David Nunn" <dnunn@telus.net<mailto:dnunn@telus.net>> wrote:
     >>  Rob,
     >>
     >>  If I'm not mistaken, IPSCO sells a kit that modifies Kirk's kit.
     It
     >> eliminates the "fitted", non-adjustable belt and makes it
     >   adjustable.
     >>  It sure makes installation a lot easier. It's not listed on IPSCO's
     >   web
     >>  site so you have to call or e-mail to get details.
     >>
     >>  Also, IPSCO has an idler pulley kit that makes installation and
     >   belt
     >>  tensioning a breeze.
     >>
     >>  [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
     >>
     >> References
     >>
     >>  1. [1]http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/Idler%20Pulley.htm
     >   [2][Idler%20Pulley.jpg]
     >   [3]Idler Pulley - IPSCO, Pantera, Viper, Mechanical Parking ...
     >   www.ipsco.org<http://www.ipsco.org>
     >   Pantera Idler Pulley Assembly . Replacement for factory Idler
     Pulley,
     >   this assembly allow adjustment without trying to hold a wrench
     behind
     >   the bracket to tighten in ...
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   Good Morning Everyone,
   I don't want to startup the oil discussion again.  But does anyone have
   thoughts on
   Rotella Type T 15w40.  Which is a heavy duty diesel oil.  It was
   suggested by a local
   Mustang shop.  I like to use the best oil.   No synthetics.
   My rebuilt 351c (nothing fancy done, just the normal upgrades) has
   about 3,500 miles
   on it and running great.
   Thanks so much.
   Terry

   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

    stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   Dawn Spacecraft Team

   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

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   From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Julian Kift <[3]julian_kift@hotmail.com>
   Date: Saturday, September 17, 2016 7:56 AM
   To: Owen Cooke <[4]owen@tadhgcooke.com>,
   "[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"
   <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19

   It's great to hear that you now have a functioning cooling system,
   although I have to wonder which of the particular changes contributed
   most, I suspect the thermostat housing being blocked off was a bulk of
   the problem.
   I had a similar experience when I got my first Pantera, it overheated
   in traffic, so I jumped on the web found all these articles about
   swapping radiators and fans etc. and duly went and purchased a setup.
   When I got to going through the car checking the thermostat I found it
   was a Windsor style, I swapped it for the correct Cleveland t-stat and
   voila heating issues resolved.
   It's just a reminder to check the simple stuff prior to laying out big
   $$$, even now I think there are still a lot of myths' perpetuated about
   these cars... like someone once said "why let the truth get in the way
   of a good story"
   Julian
   ________________________________
   From: DeTomaso <[7]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf
   of Owen Cooke <[8]owen@tadhgcooke.com>
   Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2016 2:19 AM
   To: [9]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com
   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 147, Issue 19
   guys
   i had overheating problems
   i put in a new hall brass rad but my car had bleed pipe from the rad
   back to the swirl tank  and no fitting in halls rad for it apart from a
   top bleed screw
   so i made a junction to fit the original bleed screw and the bleed pipe
   to it
   then new mariah (is that the right name) that fir on the stock brackets
   and wired them directly from the battery  to the relays
   i found the hole under the thermostat was blocked with solder
   i removed that and fitted a new stat
   now all is perfect temp wise - warms up steady and holds the 90c or
   195f   in all conditions
   my gauge with sender in block beside the pump/stat ready 150f but its
   steady and i know what to expect
   very happy with result
   owen cooke
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   Today's Topics:

        1. Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)

        2. Re: Fans and shroud (Himes, Terry (397C))

        3. Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)

        4. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (LSJ)

        5. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)

        6. Re: Fans and shroud (Jack Donahue)

        7. Re: Fans and shroud (Larry Stock)

        8. McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)

        9. Re: Fans and shroud (Ken Green)

       10.  McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)

       11. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)

       12. Re: Tires for Grp IV Flared Car (MyCars)

       13. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Will Kooiman)

       14. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)

       15. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Stock)

       16. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)

       17. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Julian Kift)

       18. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (Mike Drew)

       19. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Larry Finch)

       20. Re: McLeod hydraulic throw out (Cullen McCann)

       21. NPC, Need transmission suggestions (michael frazier)

       22. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (David Nunn)

       23. Re: NPC, Need transmission suggestions (bill)

       24. Re: Sanden Compressors noises (bill)

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   Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 09:29:46 -0700

   From: Jack Donahue <[16]demongusta@gmail.com>

   To: "[17]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"

           <[18]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>

   Cc: "[19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"

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   Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud

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   Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
   about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
   since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
   have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
   broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
   There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
   right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.

   Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
   suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
   and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
   since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
   perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
   me.

   So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:

   jack

   #4348

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   Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2016 16:54:05 +0000

   From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[22]terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov>

   To: Jack Donahue <[23]demongusta@gmail.com>,

           "[24]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com"
   <[25]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>

   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud

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   Jack,

   Good stuff.  I too am running the original radiator with new fans.  I'm
   not going to change it

   now but I will follow your progress.  Someday I will have to deal with
   it.  So keep posting and

   I will keep saving the responses.   ;-)

   Terry

   "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan,

      stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"

   Terry W. Himes

   JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory

   Dawn Spacecraft Team

   Rosetta Sequence Team Lead

   Phone: (818) 393-6261

   Cell:     (818) 653-8213

   Fax:     (818) 393-3147

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   ??

   From: DeTomaso
   <[29]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<[30]mailto:detomaso-bounc
   es@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Jack Donahue
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   Date: Friday, September 16, 2016 9:29 AM

   To:
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   solist.com>"
   <[35]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[36]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma
   solist.com>>

   Cc:
   "[37]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<[38]mailto:detomaso@server.detoma
   solist.com>"
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   solist.com>>

   Subject: [DeTomaso] Fans and shroud

   Hey all - A few weeks ago I was talking asking The List
   about  radiators - all said-and-done, I decided on the Hall radiator,
   since I wanted brass/copper instead of aluminum.  And, yes Mike Drew, I
   have to admit it?s because I want to, not necessarily NEED to. It ain?t
   broke, but I am fixing it(?). Didn?t want to admit that, but...Lol.
   There really is an ulterior motive, but I just don?t want to mention it
   right now; but I ran my idea past  Brassworks  - who says they will
   ?build-to-suit? - but the Hall unit looks to be ?tried-and-proven?.

   Now - fans. I really don?t know the brand name of my fans, but they are
   suckers - about 12? diameter - and the blades are ?curved?  -
   sickle-shaped. The names that been bouncing around are Mariah, SPAL,
   and Flex-a-lite. I had read someone?s post about the Flex-a-lite?s
   since they said they can be - or are - mounted in a shroud that is a
   perfect match for the Pantera radiator size. I think. And someone
   offered-up  a part number, but I deleted (or lost) it. All normal for
   me.

   So - I am ready for opinions/suggestions:

   jack

   #4348

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