My GTS from 1972 has never had any service on the gearbox, other than changing oil. The gearbox spills a little oil in on the floor in the garage, not much, and I think that it howls a bit especially in 5th gear.
That howling is almost assuredly the ring and pinion, rather than an individual gear. No two of these gearboxes sound alike. One can be whisper-quiet and the next might be quite loud, and there is nothing 'wrong' with either of them. I asked Lloyd Butfoy about the sound, and he gave a
I am therefore thinking of a service with safety wiring etc., and to have a longer 5th gear, as it revs unnecessarily much on European motorways with 4,22 differential and 0,70 5th gear. It would be easiest for me to have the work done in Europe, if there are workshops here who can do the work?
Europe's leading ZF man seems to be Paul Fleming in the UK. He works closely with Lloyd to ensure speedy parts delivery. I know several people on the continent who have had him do their gearboxes, and they were quite
If you had to send the transaxle to the US, then I'm not sure that east or west coast will add significantly to the overall cost from Copenhagen, shipping routes from Europe to LA are as common as those to the east coast, so worth getting some quotes for both for comparison. If you want someone competent on the east coast then Ron McCall in Maryland is the go to guy. He owns a transmission and restoration shop, has done over 50 ZF's and does all the ZF work for Race Car Replica's out of Detroit. Ron's telephone is (410) 239-2291 Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 12:26 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF service In a message dated 9/4/16 3 35 16, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com writes: philosophical shrug. There is a very precise measurement that must be made when setting up the ring and pinion gears for proper engagement, and depending upon how they were manufactured (they are always run in matching pairs), there might be some howling when all is said and done. pleased; one of them even got personal delivery, as Paul came to the continent for a vacation and made a detour to deliver a finished gearbox!
Sending the gearbox e.g. to LLoyd Butfoy RBT in California would really be a long way, around 6000 miles from Copenhagen. If I must sent it to the US, the east coast would be a much shorter distance, but I don't know who is competent to do the job. All suggestions will be much appreciated, as well as - if possible - a rough idea about what it can cost.
Ah, the costs.
My GTS from 1972 has never had any service on the gearbox, other than changing oil. The gearbox spills a little oil in on the floor in the garage, not much, and I think that it howls a bit especially in 5th gear.
That howling is almost assuredly the ring and pinion, rather than an individual gear. No two of these gearboxes sound alike. One can be whisper-quiet and the next might be quite loud, and there is nothing 'wrong' with either of them. I asked Lloyd Butfoy about the sound, and he gave a
I am therefore thinking of a service with safety wiring etc., and to have a longer 5th gear, as it revs unnecessarily much on European motorways with 4,22 differential and 0,70 5th gear. It would be easiest for me to have the work done in Europe, if there are workshops here who can do the work?
Europe's leading ZF man seems to be Paul Fleming in the UK. He works closely with Lloyd to ensure speedy parts delivery. I know several
Sending the gearbox e.g. to LLoyd Butfoy RBT in California would really be a long way, around 6000 miles from Copenhagen. If I must sent it to the US, the east coast would be a much shorter distance, but I don't know who is competent to do the job. All suggestions will be much appreciated, as well as - if possible - a rough idea about what it can cost.
Ah, the costs. I think Lloyd charges $1200-1500 for the basic job of opening it up, cleaning it and putting it back together, but that doesn't include any necessary
I think Lloyd charges $1200-1500 for the basic job of opening it up, cleaning it and putting it back together, but that doesn't include any necessary parts. The parts on these things can get quite expensive. He did a gearbox for Lori and it didn't need anything except for a 2nd gear synchro, and safety wiring, and the total bill came to something like $2500-2700 I think. However, a gearbox that is really worn out and needs gears etc. replaced can quickly pass the $5000 mark. And a Dash-1 will be more expensive, as the parts are less available/less in demand and more expensive to produce. I would imagine Paul's prices would be somewhat in line with Lloyd's, keeping in mind that the parts have to be shipped from Lloyd to Paul so there is additional expense incurred there. The only way to know for sure is to ask Paul yourself--his e-mail is paul@flemingpaul.wanadoo.co.uk Tell him I sent ya! :>) Mike If you had to send the transaxle to the US, then I'm not sure that east or west coast will add significantly to the overall cost from Copenhagen, shipping routes from Europe to LA are as common as those to the east coast, so worth getting some quotes for both for comparison. If you want someone competent on the east coast then Ron McCall in Maryland is the go to guy. He owns a transmission and restoration shop, has done over 50 ZF's and does all the ZF work for Race Car Replica's out of Detroit. Ron's telephone is (410) 239-2291 Julian __________________________________________________________________ From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2016 12:26 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] ZF service In a message dated 9/4/16 3 35 16, detomaso@server.detomasolist.com writes: philosophical shrug. There is a very precise measurement that must be made when setting up the ring and pinion gears for proper engagement, and depending upon how they were manufactured (they are always run in matching pairs), there might be some howling when all is said and done. people on the continent who have had him do their gearboxes, and they were quite pleased; one of them even got personal delivery, as Paul came to the continent for a vacation and made a detour to deliver a finished gearbox! parts. The parts on these things can get quite expensive. He did a gearbox for Lori and it didn't need anything except for a 2nd gear synchro, and safety wiring, and the total bill came to something like $2500-2700 I think. However, a gearbox that is really worn out and needs gears etc. replaced can quickly pass the $5000 mark. And a Dash-1 will be more expensive, as the parts are less available/less in demand and more expensive to produce. I would imagine Paul's prices would be somewhat in line with Lloyd's, keeping in mind that the parts have to be shipped from Lloyd to Paul so there is additional expense incurred there. The only way to know for sure is to ask Paul yourself--his e-mail is paul@flemingpaul.wanadoo.co.uk Tell him I sent ya! :>) Mike