exploding zit? From: Jack Donahue <demongusta@gmail.com> To: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud “Blindspot” would work
On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Technically, what should it be called? A "sail" sounds too polite.
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:04 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton Cc: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud
And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL
On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State Classic Challenge and we watched this episode last night.
Mike, you hit it on the head. I went to bed last night mulling over nearly all the same points. I thought the install of the Ecoboost actually looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed hot air from the engine into the intercooler was really dumb. It was obvious they had no idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a real detriment to their work.
I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all. If they had done something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to butcher the decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more appealing build. However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what they were thinking.
I was actually disappointed in the show overall. Asa Jay
Quoting Mike Drew via DeTomaso <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>:
All,
Just saw the second show.
What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake from the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from the bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!!
They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were. They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no talk of that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it.
Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L model, act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to stock! Tell them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all the modifications have hurt the value by the cost it will take to undo them!
It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other parts are included? :)
I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :)
I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been largely successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably heavier than stock too.
In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice how quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You only need 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something....
Mike
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Finally watched it. I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is overkill. The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle coolant to the nose. Ken
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From: Mike Thomas <mbefthomas@comcast.net> To: 'Scott Bell' <scott@saccrestorations.net>; rfmccall@comcast.net; "'Byrd, Joseph'" <byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange Pantera? Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what looks like an orange Pantera in the background? And what's with the Ferrari sitting in a number of shots? Mike T. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bell Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM To: [2]rfmccall@comcast.net; 'Byrd, Joseph' <[3]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[4]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Hi Ron, I don't know when the car was purchased but I know the build happened in March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put together, I would guess they had the car well before the build started. Good observation! Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of [6]rfmccall@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM To: Byrd, Joseph Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Something that I found interesting is that while I was watching a re-run of what my DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the first part of the Ford GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72 Pantera in in the background in several of the shots. The show made it seem like they bought the car and started the build a few weeks later. The Ford GT episode aired nearly a year ago so who knows when that build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was bought. That could explain the low purchase price. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> To: "Pantera Mail List" <[8]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud During the design stage, air flow to the engine was considered. I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to the Mangusta because it would afrost overa and block flow cid:[9]image001.png@01D18958.40377A40 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM To: Ken Green; [11]rfmccall@comcast.net; gaino, bill Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Since there is no real air flow around where they placed the After Cooler, Maybe the air scoop is to create air flow to the after cooler and NOT the engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but they ARE the Texas TV Experts, and I guess thatA^1s the way its done in Texas. Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help here. Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not see the need get out much. Larry On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" <
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Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a solution that doesn't look like an after thought? Ken __________________________________________________________________
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I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my
-----Original Message----- previous post seems to have lost its subject line.
Please don't shoot the messenger.
Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers
hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement.
Larry
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On Sep 20, 2016, at 9:50 AM, Joseph F. Byrd, Jr. <[1]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Technically, what should it be called? A "sail" sounds too polite.
-----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[2]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Jack Donahue Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2016 12:04 PM To: Asa Jay Laughton Cc: [3]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud
And the rearview mirror must work good too. LOL
On Sep 20, 2016, at 8:55 AM, Asa Jay Laughton <[4]asajay@asajay.com> wrote:
Staying at Mad Dog's place in Fresno after the Silver State Classic Challenge and we watched this episode last night.
Mike, you hit it on the head. I went to bed last night mulling over nearly all the same points. I thought the install of the Ecoboost actually looked pretty good, but butchering the decklid only to feed hot air from the engine into the intercooler was really dumb. It was obvious they had no idea of the airflow in a Pantera and that became a real detriment to
work.
I agree, I don't think it will sell very well at all. If they had
done something different with the intercooler so they didn't have to butcher the decklid, I think it might have been a much better and more appealing build. However, I still think even then, it's not going to get near what
thinking.
I was actually disappointed in the show overall. Asa Jay
Quoting Mike Drew via DeTomaso
<[5]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>:
All,
Just saw the second show.
What is hilarious is that they didn't make it a sealed air intake
from the roof to the inter cooler. It's basically just a piece of metal tacked to the decklid. These morons didn't even consider that airflow goes from
They said they thought somebody would pay $200-300k for it. Yet as
auction time drew near perhaps they started to realize how dumb they were. They finished it late, understandable enough. They could always have entered it in the next BJ auction? But at the end of the show, there is no talk of
Jeff--I dare you to drive down there in your stock-looking white L
model, act interested, then ask them what it would take to return it to stock! Tell
bottom past the engine and out the top, so their scoop is designed to capture superheated air and duct it to the intercooler!!!!! that. Instead there is whimpering, saying he has $100k tied up in it and begging somebody to call him and buy it. them as a stock car it might be worth $70-75k but as it stands, all
modifications have hurt the value by the cost it will take to undo
It's probably worth $30-40k if the stock engine, and all other
are included? :)
I love the brakes though. Nice job with that Scott. :)
I grudgingly admit that the power train swap appears to have been largely successful and it certainly is innovative. I seriously doubt they saved an ounce of weight when you factor in the weight of all the turbos, intercooler, electronics, massive wheels etc so in fact it's probably heavier than stock too.
In the beginning they were claiming 600 hp was the target. Notice how quiet things got at the end? No boasting of big power numbers. You only need 200 hp to do donuts so that doesn't prove anything. It would be interesting to learn what they actually achieved--other than wrecking what would have been a lovely Pantera had it been restored, or even modified to GT5 or GT5-S or something....
Mike
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On Sep 19, 2016, at 17:20, Ken Green via DeTomaso <[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> wrote:
Finally watched it. I think the air scoop for the inter cooler is overkill. The could use an air to water heat exchanger and cycle coolant to the nose. Ken
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From: Mike Thomas <[7]mbefthomas@comcast.net> To: 'Scott Bell' <[8]scott@saccrestorations.net>; [9]rfmccall@comcast.net; "'Byrd, Joseph'" <[10]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[11]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Monday, September 19, 2016 5:13 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud - orange Pantera? Did anybody notice in the background early in the episode what looks like an orange Pantera in the background? And what's with the Ferrari sitting in a number of shots? Mike T. -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[1][12]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Scott Bell Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 9:18 PM To: [2][13]rfmccall@comcast.net; 'Byrd, Joseph' <[3][14]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> Cc: 'Pantera Mail List' <[4][15]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Hi Ron, I don't know when the car was purchased but I know the build happened in March of 2016. Given that these shows take time to put together, I would guess they had the car well before the build started. Good observation! Scott -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[5][16]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of [6][17]rfmccall@comcast.net Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2016 6:13 PM To: Byrd, Joseph Cc: Pantera Mail List Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Something that I found interesting is that while I was watching a re-run of what my DVR says is Episode 6/Season 6( which is the first part of the Ford GT build) and sure enough, the exact same white '72 Pantera in in the background in several of the shots. The show made it seem
they bought the car and started the build a few weeks later. The Ford GT episode aired nearly a year ago so who knows when
build was filmed much less how long ago the Pantera was bought. That could explain the low purchase price. Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph F. Byrd, Jr." <[7][18]byrdjf@embarqmail.com> To: "Pantera Mail List" <[8][19]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 4:12:31 PM Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud During the design stage, air flow to the engine was considered. I read there was a concern about having an air exit similar to
Mangusta because it would afrost overa and block flow cid:[9][20]image001.png@01D18958.40377A40 -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[10][21]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Larry Stock Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2016 15:22 PM To: Ken Green; [11][22]rfmccall@comcast.net; gaino, bill Cc: Email List Address For Posting; Larry Finch Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera on Fast & Loud Since there is no real air flow around where they placed the After Cooler, Maybe
air scoop is to create air flow to the after cooler and NOT the engine, I would simply use electric fans for this, but they ARE
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Texas TV Experts, and I guess thatA^1s the way its done in Texas. Maybe our Pantera Boys in Texas need to give them some help here. Since they also eliminated the trunk storage area, they must not see the need get out much. Larry On 9/14/16, 12:00 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Ken Green via DeTomaso" <
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Getting cool air to the engine seems to be a difficult issue for a Pantera if you don't want to alter the looks. Has anyone seen a solution that doesn't look like an after thought? Ken
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I am resending this screen capture from last nightas show, as my
-----Original Message----- previous post seems to have lost its subject line.
Please don't shoot the messenger.
Since Richard liked the Nike interior disaster on the Ring Brothers
hack-job (at least enough to buy the thing), I imagine they will F-up the interior of this Pantera to match their exterior disfigurement.
Larry
I am especially enamored with the tasteful deck lid cut-out
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