Hi. Where do i find the auktion for this flooded Pantera. Kjeld Pedersen Denmark. Sendt fra min iPad
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Message: 1 Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:12:36 -0700 From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com> To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install Message-ID: <20160906091236.Horde.ar-Z_qWIOS8j_qGVt8ynMXJ@webmail.asajay.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed; DelSp=Yes
For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation was to not bother with it for most purposes.
Asa Jay
Quoting Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com>:
If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm supports. Larry
On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only taking briefs and bras...
Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of John McKee <johnmckee@cox.net> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to figure out the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by Precision ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks like I would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the upper suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to plug weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience installing these plates?
Thank you,
John _______________________________________________
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Message: 2 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 10:59:11 -0600 From: Corey Price <coreyjprice@gmail.com> To: Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com> Cc: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>, John McKee <johnmckee@cox.net> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install Message-ID: <757BA10E-B268-4C5C-BB08-E9454A16E5F3@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
I'm not an automotive engineer but I am a structural engineer and such bracing in the front trunk isn't my first choice in brace points. There's a couple other "elephants in the room" so to speak. I've had some good conversations with Goran Malmberg about his testing of torsional stiffness and tend to agree with his test results. I have Larry's bracing. There's two other really good locations to brace besides what Larry has:
1. The rear upper cross brace is useless and is a hinge where it needs to be stiff. There is significant twisting there. The Precision Proformance brace there helps. 2. The interior of the car twists the most. Rocker strengthening or full roll cage would help if done right but I would only do a roll cage in a race car where a helmet is worn. Also, to brace it right, the passenger seat would be useless.
Just my two cents.
Corey
On Sep 6, 2016, at 9:37 AM, Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com> wrote:
If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm supports. Larry
On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com on behalf of julian_kift@hotmail.com> wrote:
I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only taking briefs and bras...
Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of John McKee <johnmckee@cox.net> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to figure out the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by Precision ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks like I would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the upper suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to plug weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience installing these plates?
Thank you,
John _______________________________________________
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Message: 3 Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 17:03:08 +0000 From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes@jpl.nasa.gov> To: "asajay@asajay.com" <asajay@asajay.com>, "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install Message-ID: <D3F43B28.921AC%thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
The problem is, most place force you to buy both! Correct me if I'm wrong.
"A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!"
Terry W. Himes JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory Dawn Spacecraft Team Rosetta Sequence Team Lead Phone: (818) 393-6261 Cell: (818) 653-8213 Fax: (818) 393-3147 thimes@jpl.nasa.gov<mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov> ??
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of Asa Jay Laughton <asajay@asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> Reply-To: "asajay@asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>" <asajay@asajay.com<mailto:asajay@asajay.com>> Date: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 9:12 AM To: "detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>" <detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
For what it's worth, when I was in Castle Rock a few years ago and had time to visit with Dennis and Adam at Pantera Performance Center, Dennis essentially told me the same thing about the front trunk brace (as I recall). That it really wasn't necessary and only served to reduce the amount of usable space in a street car that was only occasionally tracked or open road raced. I believe his recommendation was to not bother with it for most purposes.
Asa Jay
Quoting Larry Stock <larrys@panteraparts.com<mailto:larrys@panteraparts.com>>:
If one actually was an engineer and analyzed this brace, it is utterly useless. It braces the shear wall construction already built into the upper A-Arm mounting points. Not much movement here with the factory job. Lots of help is needed down below to take the twist out of the lower A-Arm supports. Larry
On 9/6/16, 8:18 AM, "DeTomaso on behalf of Julian Kift" <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of julian_kift@hotmail.com<mailto:julian_kift@hotmail.com>> wrote:
I could start by saying leave it i the corner of the garage, unless you are building and out and out racer.... it is only purpose in a street car is to further limit your wife's luggage allowance, although maybe that could be deemed a positive if she is then limited to only taking briefs and bras...
Others seem to have managed to bolt it in, sitting very low in the trunk (less than an inch between brace and trunk floor). To be functional it should sit directly behind the upper shock mounts. Julian __________________________________________________________________
From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com>> on behalf of John McKee <johnmckee@cox.net<mailto:johnmckee@cox.net>> Sent: Monday, September 5, 2016 10:28 PM To: detomaso@server.detomasolist.com<mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com> Subject: [DeTomaso] Chassis stiffening kit install
I am currently working on the front trunk area and I am trying to figure out the best way to mount the triangular upper brace (the part sold by Precision ProFormance). The mounting plates have four bolt holes but it looks like I would not be able to get bolts to work as they would conflict with the upper suspension mounting rail. I am thinking the best solution may be to plug weld those holes from the trunk side. Can anyone share their experience installing these plates?
Thank you,
John _______________________________________________
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