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Re: [DeTomaso] help searching (powder coat campys)
by MikeLDrew＠aol.com 05 Sep '16

05 Sep '16

In a message dated 5/26/16 7:58:20 PM, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: > Larry, > > I've still got the story on my computer. I can post it when I land > tonight. > >>>Found it, and text is posted below. It's worth mentioning that I have a set of Larry's wheels on the front of my car now. However, he goofed up and selected a way wrong color (DOH) so I had to have them painted atop the powdercoating. They are bulletproof now I think! Going forward, I would hope anybody who is contemplating doing this sort of thing will take the extra time to research the color and ensure tha it is what you want it to be.... BTW one of the really nice things about this list format is that I can whip out my phone while dashing through the airport between flights and quickly get caught up, whereas with a web-based forum I would realistically have to stop and break out my computer, get onto a WiFi network, and then wait for ages for huge pages to load. So thank goodness that the REAL forum is alive and well! Article text below. Note that this was written almost 20 years ago, and at this point should serve as the starting point for a conversation rather than being treated as though the words were taken from a burning bush.... Cheers! Mike ==== Restoring Magnesium Campagnolo Wheels the Right Way The Pantera was delivered wearing Campagnolo wheels cast in exotic magnesium alloy. Campagnolo is a very old company in Italy, and the methods they used were the tried-and-true types right out of the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Thus, our magnesium wheels were cast in molds hand-carved from mahogany! Naturally, wooden molds, however hard, could only withstand a limited number of times that molten metal could be poured into them before sharp details were blurred. Eventually, these details were lost, and casting quality began to drop off as well so the mold would be scrapped. This short life of the wheel molds may in fact be the reason there are at least four separate models of Pantera wheels that are known to have been shipped at various times during the life of the DeTomaso/Ford joint project in the '70's. In the meantime, Campagnolo as a company was going through changes. The light-alloy bicycle accessory business was spun off in the '70's, the wheel company was sold (but kept its name the first two times), and new management were brought in after being taken over by Technomagnesio (one of Campagnolo's chief rivals in the alloy-wheel business). Finally, the magnesium wheels made late in the Pantera project were pressure-die-cast. This method is where the molten metal is literally pumped into steel dies under relatively high pressure. The metallic dies are much more expensive than the old mahogany ones, but they also last much longer, quality is higher and the higher pressure during the metal solidification results in a denser casting with fewer, smaller pore areas. Intuitively one would expect that the very late Campy wheels are stronger for these reasons. Magnesium, the lightest structural metal known, has one desirable and several not-so-desirable attributes. On the plus side, it is only 65% as heavy as aluminum while having as much strength as the better aluminum casting alloys, meaning it can be heat-treated and welded like aluminum. On the debit side, magnesium is a 'reactive' metal: when magnesium contacts plain water or even moisture in the air, a chemical reaction occurs that results in the outgassing of hydrogen gas from the water molecule; the l eftover oxygen combines with magnesium to produce the familiar white mag-oxide powder. If left exposed, Campy wheels will literally dissolve into powder! At 650 degrees Centigrade, magnesium burns in air at such high temperatures that most substances in contact with it melt or burn as well. Large chunks are difficult to catch on fire but grindings or shavings should be treated like gunpowder-and definitely kept dry! Fine mag metal powder will react hydrogen gas off so quickly, the gas spontaneously lights off, catching the rest of the metal on fire. Naturally, pouring water on a mag fire will result in a hydrogen explosion (remember the Hindenburg?) and even more fire! Sand or dry-chemical extinguishers are the only hope for stopping a magnesium fire. In fact, it may be best to simply stand back and let it burn itself out.... Magnesium alloys have the property of age-hardening-that is, a mag casting will get harder and progressively more brittle as it gets older, regardless of its use or storage. Magnesium expands some 2-1/2 times as much as aluminum when heated. This means that for best results, the casting must be physically restrained-bolted down-before heating or it will literally 'crawl away' from the welding torch! And due to its very light density, magnesium castings, especially open-mold castings, tend to be porous, or at least have very large crystalline areas. All wheels flex and bend slightly in use. Magnesium flexes too, but the flex-energy is not dissipated 100%. Instead, stresses build up inside the castings, eventually concentrating at an imperfection such as a casting pore or a crystal grain. Such an area will eventually separate and connect with another pore or weak spot. A few more cycles of this and you have a crack growing in the casting, with the accumulated stresses concentrating at the point-ends of the crack. This process works exactly like a micro pry-bar! Detecting cracks in mag castings cannot be done by conventional magneflux: magnesium is totally non-magnetic. So a fluorescent dye called Zyglow is dissolved in a very thin solvent like petroleum ether. The casting is dipped in the solvent, left for a few moments, then wiped off. A spray cleaner is used to further clean the casting. Any cracks or deep pores will retain some of the dye, however. Illuminating the casting with near-ultraviolet light will show up any retained dye. Porous, rough castings like our wheels require someone talented in the art of interpreting florescent patterns that show up. The layman could look at a perfectly good cast-mag wheel glowing in numerous areas and be afraid to mount a tire on it! X-ray casting checks can also be done but are even more expensive, require more highly trained operators to evaluate the film records and are sometimes inconclusive, requiring a dye-check to be sure! Cracked magnesium castings should only be welded after stop-drilling both ends of a detected crack. This is a technique whereby the crack is outlined and a small hole drilled through the casting just in front of each end of the crack, not in the crack itself. This is so when welding or grinding heat is applied, any growth of the crack will expand into the drill-hole rather than continuing to tear the base metal apart at the front of the crack. Then, the entire cracked area is V-ground away to prevent the crack from progressing sideways, and to provide clean metal to weld on. The V-groove is also necessary since vertical cracks in thicker sections don't weld very well. Remember the cautions regarding the dangers of accumulations of grinding or drilling chips from magnesium repairs! Magnesium welding is best done only by an expert, with lots of experience and understanding of the nuances of magnesium welding. The incautious can very easily start a fire that will literally consume everything in its reach-including your house, garage and Pantera! And surprisingly enough, the act of welding or grinding a casting induces even more stresses, so the repaired casting must be stress-annealed. This literally bakes out the accumulated stresses or any additional ones from the repairs and results in a like-new wheel that has many more years of safe driving left. Fortunately, the annealing temperature (recommended by aerospace users of magnesium) is only 350-375 degrees Fahrenheit. The piece is put into an oven, heated to 350-375 degrees, held for an hour or so, then very slowly cooled to room temperature-the slower the better! Ideally, the heavily insulated oven is simply turned off and left closed until the next morning. If the oven cannot be turned off, wrap the hot casting in thick blankets and leave it undisturbed for at least several hours. Note-this will discolor any silver finishes painted onto the wheels. Do the decorative painting last! After the wheel is cast or weld-repaired, if it is to be painted it must first be protected from moisture in the air by painting it with a zinc chromate solution. The zinc chromate reacts with the magnesium to produce a barrier layer that tends to be self-healing to small scratches-the zinc chromate literally spreads across the scratch, again protecting the underlying metal; not as well as a full-thickness coating, but at least there is some protection! Zinc chromate is widely used in the aviation industry, and should be available at better paint stores, as well as at any municipal airport repair facility. Bare wheels that are simply painted with conventional primers and paint may trap moisture between the wheel and paint, resulting in corrosion under the paint, which eventually shows up in the form of bubbles in the paint. In recent years, it has become very fashionable to powdercoat (or powderpaint) wheels rather than painting them. The resultant finish can be superior to paint, but only if the wheel is correctly prepared. Some people simply strip the old paint and then apply a coating of powderpaint, without actually repairing any damage to the surface, or checking the structural integrity of the wheel. When powderpainted in this fashion, often the wheel will out-gas during the painting process, leading to bubbles in the finish. Larry Stock of the Pantera Parts Connection found himself with a collection of Campy wheels from various sources, some of dubious ancestry (including Mike Drew's old wheels!) Even though modern 17” wheels and tires are all the rage right now, he has found there are a select group of individuals who are looking for the best possible original factory wheels, and he set about taking these cast-offs and bringing them up to better-than-new specification. The wheels were first carefully bead-blasted to remove all the old paint and underlying zinc chromate. The blasting process also removed any oxidation which might have accumulated. Afterwards, the wheels were annealed at 375 degrees in a large oven, which was allowed to slowly cool overnight. >From there, the wheels were hauled to a sophisticated testing facility used by NASA and Lockheed Aerospace. The wheels were dipped in a liquid penetrant (Zyglow), then rinsed off and evaluated for possible cracks and imperfections. Any such imperfections were clearly marked, and one wheel was condemned and ultimately discarded. Once the faults were identified, the wheels were then transported to a NASA welder who carefully welded up damaged areas of the wheels. While none of the wheels exhibited any significant cracks, several had large hunks missing from the lip of the rim. These were caused by the fitment of conventional wheel weights. The metal in the wheel weights reacts with the magnesium, turning it to powder. Tire-shop monkeys who traditionally remove old weights by hitting them with a hammer as often as not remove the lip of the wheel as well! For these reasons, whenever possible stick-on wheel weights should be used instead of clamp-on weights. The welder went out of his way to put excess material back into the wheels, so now they needed to be brought back into spec. But before any machining would take place, they were returned to the oven and annealed again, to restore whatever strength might have been compromised by the application of high heat in only one area of the wheel. Larry then took them to his fully-equipped machine shop. A rear axle/brake disc/stud assembly was inserted into a large lathe, and the wheels were bolted to the axle. Then sophisticated cutting tools were used to carefully remove the excess material and restore the original contours of the wheel. The average wheel required two full hours of machining in this fashion. Of course, machining introduces its own heat factors, so back into the oven they went! After annealing, the powderpainters sprayed on silver powderpaint, which had been carefully color- and texture-matched with an original, mint-condition factory painted wheel. Back into the oven to bake the silver paint on, and anneal the wheels again! Finally, a protective clear-coat was powderpainted atop the silver, then the wheels went back into the oven for the final time. The resulting wheels are absolutely flawless, exquisitely beautiful, and literally much better and stronger than new. The entire process was extremely labor-intensive and took almost six weeks to accomplish. Larry now has several full sets of early-style (Pre-L) wheels and a few L-model wheels in stock, which he'll sell for $325 each with the exchange of your old wheels. Alternately, he can have your existing wheels repaired for $325 each. Thanks to Larry Stock for providing the step-by-step photographs of the Pantera wheel restoration process. In a message dated 5/26/16 7:58:20 PM, detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com writes: Larry, I've still got the story on my computer. I can post it when I land tonight. >>>Found it, and text is posted below. It's worth mentioning that I have a set of Larry's wheels on the front of my car now. However, he goofed up and selected a way wrong color (DOH) so I had to have them painted atop the powdercoating. They are bulletproof now I think! Going forward, I would hope anybody who is contemplating doing this sort of thing will take the extra time to research the color and ensure tha it is what you want it to be.... BTW one of the really nice things about this list format is that I can whip out my phone while dashing through the airport between flights and quickly get caught up, whereas with a web-based forum I would realistically have to stop and break out my computer, get onto a WiFi network, and then wait for ages for huge pages to load. So thank goodness that the REAL forum is alive and well! Article text below. Note that this was written almost 20 years ago, and at this point should serve as the starting point for a conversation rather than being treated as though the words were taken from a burning bush.... Cheers! Mike ==== Restoring Magnesium Campagnolo Wheels the Right Way The Pantera was delivered wearing Campagnolo wheels cast in exotic magnesium alloy. Campagnolo is a very old company in Italy, and the methods they used were the tried-and-true types right out of the dawn of the Industrial Revolution. Thus, our magnesium wheels were cast in molds hand-carved from mahogany! Naturally, wooden molds, however hard, could only withstand a limited number of times that molten metal could be poured into them before sharp details were blurred. Eventually, these details were lost, and casting quality began to drop off as well so the mold would be scrapped. This short life of the wheel molds may in fact be the reason there are at least four separate models of Pantera wheels that are known to have been shipped at various times during the life of the DeTomaso/Ford joint project in the '70's. In the meantime, Campagnolo as a company was going through changes. The light-alloy bicycle accessory business was spun off in the '70's, the wheel company was sold (but kept its name the first two times), and new management were brought in after being taken over by Technomagnesio (one of Campagnolo's chief rivals in the alloy-wheel business). Finally, the magnesium wheels made late in the Pantera project were pressure-die-cast. This method is where the molten metal is literally pumped into steel dies under relatively high pressure. The metallic dies are much more expensive than the old mahogany ones, but they also last much longer, quality is higher and the higher pressure during the metal solidification results in a denser casting with fewer, smaller pore areas. Intuitively one would expect that the very late Campy wheels are stronger for these reasons. Magnesium, the lightest structural metal known, has one desirable and several not-so-desirable attributes. On the plus side, it is only 65% as heavy as aluminum while having as much strength as the better aluminum casting alloys, meaning it can be heat-treated and welded like aluminum. On the debit side, magnesium is a 'reactive' metal: when magnesium contacts plain water or even moisture in the air, a chemical reaction occurs that results in the outgassing of hydrogen gas from the water molecule; the leftover oxygen combines with magnesium to produce the familiar white mag-oxide powder. If left exposed, Campy wheels will literally dissolve into powder! At 650 degrees Centigrade, magnesium burns in air at such high temperatures that most substances in contact with it melt or burn as well. Large chunks are difficult to catch on fire but grindings or shavings should be treated like gunpowder-and definitely kept dry! Fine mag metal powder will react hydrogen gas off so quickly, the gas spontaneously lights off, catching the rest of the metal on fire. Naturally, pouring water on a mag fire will result in a hydrogen explosion (remember the Hindenburg?) and even more fire! Sand or dry-chemical extinguishers are the only hope for stopping a magnesium fire. In fact, it may be best to simply stand back and let it burn itself out.... Magnesium alloys have the property of age-hardening-that is, a mag casting will get harder and progressively more brittle as it gets older, regardless of its use or storage. Magnesium expands some 2-1/2 times as much as aluminum when heated. This means that for best results, the casting must be physically restrained-bolted down-before heating or it will literally 'crawl away' from the welding torch! And due to its very light density, magnesium castings, especially open-mold castings, tend to be porous, or at least have very large crystalline areas. All wheels flex and bend slightly in use. Magnesium flexes too, but the flex-energy is not dissipated 100%. Instead, stresses build up inside the castings, eventually concentrating at an imperfection such as a casting pore or a crystal grain. Such an area will eventually separate and connect with another pore or weak spot. A few more cycles of this and you have a crack growing in the casting, with the accumulated stresses concentrating at the point-ends of the crack. This process works exactly like a micro pry-bar! Detecting cracks in mag castings cannot be done by conventional magneflux: magnesium is totally non-magnetic. So a fluorescent dye called Zyglow is dissolved in a very thin solvent like petroleum ether. The casting is dipped in the solvent, left for a few moments, then wiped off. A spray cleaner is used to further clean the casting. Any cracks or deep pores will retain some of the dye, however. Illuminating the casting with near-ultraviolet light will show up any retained dye. Porous, rough castings like our wheels require someone talented in the art of interpreting florescent patterns that show up. The layman could look at a perfectly good cast-mag wheel glowing in numerous areas and be afraid to mount a tire on it! X-ray casting checks can also be done but are even more expensive, require more highly trained operators to evaluate the film records and are sometimes inconclusive, requiring a dye-check to be sure! Cracked magnesium castings should only be welded after stop-drilling both ends of a detected crack. This is a technique whereby the crack is outlined and a small hole drilled through the casting just in front of each end of the crack, not in the crack itself. This is so when welding or grinding heat is applied, any growth of the crack will expand into the drill-hole rather than continuing to tear the base metal apart at the front of the crack. Then, the entire cracked area is V-ground away to prevent the crack from progressing sideways, and to provide clean metal to weld on. The V-groove is also necessary since vertical cracks in thicker sections don't weld very well. Remember the cautions regarding the dangers of accumulations of grinding or drilling chips from magnesium repairs! Magnesium welding is best done only by an expert, with lots of experience and understanding of the nuances of magnesium welding. The incautious can very easily start a fire that will literally consume everything in its reach-including your house, garage and Pantera! And surprisingly enough, the act of welding or grinding a casting induces even more stresses, so the repaired casting must be stress-annealed. This literally bakes out the accumulated stresses or any additional ones from the repairs and results in a like-new wheel that has many more years of safe driving left. Fortunately, the annealing temperature (recommended by aerospace users of magnesium) is only 350-375 degrees Fahrenheit. The piece is put into an oven, heated to 350-375 degrees, held for an hour or so, then very slowly cooled to room temperature-the slower the better! Ideally, the heavily insulated oven is simply turned off and left closed until the next morning. If the oven cannot be turned off, wrap the hot casting in thick blankets and leave it undisturbed for at least several hours. Note-this will discolor any silver finishes painted onto the wheels. Do the decorative painting last! After the wheel is cast or weld-repaired, if it is to be painted it must first be protected from moisture in the air by painting it with a zinc chromate solution. The zinc chromate reacts with the magnesium to produce a barrier layer that tends to be self-healing to small scratches-the zinc chromate literally spreads across the scratch, again protecting the underlying metal; not as well as a full-thickness coating, but at least there is some protection! Zinc chromate is widely used in the aviation industry, and should be available at better paint stores, as well as at any municipal airport repair facility. Bare wheels that are simply painted with conventional primers and paint may trap moisture between the wheel and paint, resulting in corrosion under the paint, which eventually shows up in the form of bubbles in the paint. In recent years, it has become very fashionable to powdercoat (or powderpaint) wheels rather than painting them. The resultant finish can be superior to paint, but only if the wheel is correctly prepared. Some people simply strip the old paint and then apply a coating of powderpaint, without actually repairing any damage to the surface, or checking the structural integrity of the wheel. When powderpainted in this fashion, often the wheel will out-gas during the painting process, leading to bubbles in the finish. Larry Stock of the Pantera Parts Connection found himself with a collection of Campy wheels from various sources, some of dubious ancestry (including Mike Drew's old wheels!) Even though modern 17a wheels and tires are all the rage right now, he has found there are a select group of individuals who are looking for the best possible original factory wheels, and he set about taking these cast-offs and bringing them up to better-than-new specification. The wheels were first carefully bead-blasted to remove all the old paint and underlying zinc chromate. The blasting process also removed any oxidation which might have accumulated. Afterwards, the wheels were annealed at 375 degrees in a large oven, which was allowed to slowly cool overnight. From there, the wheels were hauled to a sophisticated testing facility used by NASA and Lockheed Aerospace. The wheels were dipped in a liquid penetrant (Zyglow), then rinsed off and evaluated for possible cracks and imperfections. Any such imperfections were clearly marked, and one wheel was condemned and ultimately discarded. Once the faults were identified, the wheels were then transported to a NASA welder who carefully welded up damaged areas of the wheels. While none of the wheels exhibited any significant cracks, several had large hunks missing from the lip of the rim. These were caused by the fitment of conventional wheel weights. The metal in the wheel weights reacts with the magnesium, turning it to powder. Tire-shop monkeys who traditionally remove old weights by hitting them with a hammer as often as not remove the lip of the wheel as well! For these reasons, whenever possible stick-on wheel weights should be used instead of clamp-on weights. The welder went out of his way to put excess material back into the wheels, so now they needed to be brought back into spec. But before any machining would take place, they were returned to the oven and annealed again, to restore whatever strength might have been compromised by the application of high heat in only one area of the wheel. Larry then took them to his fully-equipped machine shop. A rear axle/brake disc/stud assembly was inserted into a large lathe, and the wheels were bolted to the axle. Then sophisticated cutting tools were used to carefully remove the excess material and restore the original contours of the wheel. The average wheel required two full hours of machining in this fashion. Of course, machining introduces its own heat factors, so back into the oven they went! After annealing, the powderpainters sprayed on silver powderpaint, which had been carefully color- and texture-matched with an original, mint-condition factory painted wheel. Back into the oven to bake the silver paint on, and anneal the wheels again! Finally, a protective clear-coat was powderpainted atop the silver, then the wheels went back into the oven for the final time. The resulting wheels are absolutely flawless, exquisitely beautiful, and literally much better and stronger than new. The entire process was extremely labor-intensive and took almost six weeks to accomplish. Larry now has several full sets of early-style (Pre-L) wheels and a few L-model wheels in stock, which he'll sell for $325 each with the exchange of your old wheels. Alternately, he can have your existing wheels repaired for $325 each. Thanks to Larry Stock for providing the step-by-step photographs of the Pantera wheel restoration process.

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Has anyone researched hood vent designs?
by Rod Kunishige 03 Aug '16

03 Aug '16

Ken, I have a 73L with factory vents and a spare solid hood against the wall for you to measure should you choose to do so. I wanted a GT40 look. The problem for me was the light bar located in the wrong spot for a better opening. I even thought of having two bucket motors to eliminate it. Art had tried various designs on his hood taking pics as he went thru the process. Check with him too. Rod Sent from Outlook<http://aka.ms/weboutlook> Ken, I have a 73L with factory vents and a spare solid hood against the wall for you to measure should you choose to do so. I wanted a GT40 look. The problem for me was the light bar located in the wrong spot for a better opening. I even thought of having two bucket motors to eliminate it. Art had tried various designs on his hood taking pics as he went thru the process. Check with him too. Rod Sent from [1]Outlook References 1. http://aka.ms/weboutlook

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Absolutely zero DT content
by Charles McCall 01 Aug '16

01 Aug '16

Motorcycle ramblings with a question at the end.... The weather has been absolutely fantastic here for the past few weeks, so I have been using my motorcycle for my daily commute to and from work. It's recently back on the road after more or less being in storage for 18 years. It is true that long term storage isn't good for vehicles - either cars or motorcycles. I filled the tank up with gas and it all ran right on the floor... hoses that had disintegrated with time. Got that repaired. The gas on the floor was mixing with a massive oil leak caused by a gasket on the cam tensioner that dried out and cracked. Got that fixed. I'm glad my motorcycle is air-cooled or I know what would be leaking now! We didn't get off to a good start this year! The motorcycle is a 1982 Suzuki GS650, nothing particularly special but with a lot of sentimental value. I bought it when I was 19 and a college sophomore. I'd never been on a motorcycle in my life - neither as a passenger nor a driver. I walked into the local Suzuki dealer and said "I like that one, I'll buy it!" and paid for it with my visa card, at 19.6% interest. And I wonder why it took me so long to pay off my college loans? ;-) We went to the parking lot and the salesman told me "This is the clutch, here's how you change gears, this is the front brake....have fun!" And I learned how to drive on the way home. Ah, youth! The motorcycle has been all over the place. I went to Cornell University, in upstate NY, and my girlfriend at the time went to Michigan, so it made the trip many times. It's attended Sturgis (despite being a Japanese bike, but I drove it there unlike many of the Harleys!) prowled the streets of Chicago, etc. But it got put into storage when I moved to Europe and took a long time to catch up to me. It recently was made road-worthy and is still wearing US plates, although I'll have to fix that over the next year. It is very difficult and very expensive to insure a vehicle in Europe with US plates. But for those from the US or Canada attending Le Mans Classic - -IT CAN BE DONE! Anyway, my question. The tendency in race cars and sports cars is moving away from a manual transmission to an automatic. I know that isn't quite true but don't really care if there is still technically a clutch or not - if there isn't a clutch pedal inside, then it's an automatic! Why hasn't the same thing happened with motorcycles? Because the shift time on a motorcycle is already so short? Do racers even use the clutch on a race bike? The weight associated with the mechanism is a larger percentage of a light bike as opposed to a car? Just wondering this morning, as it was a nice morning for a ride and as there's no radio my mind went wandering... Motorcycle ramblings with a question at the end.... The weather has been absolutely fantastic here for the past few weeks, so I have been using my motorcycle for my daily commute to and from work. It's recently back on the road after more or less being in storage for 18 years. It is true that long term storage isn't good for vehicles - either cars or motorcycles. I filled the tank up with gas and it all ran right on the floor... hoses that had disintegrated with time. Got that repaired.A The gas on the floor was mixing with a massive oil leak caused by a gasket on the cam tensioner that dried out and cracked. Got that fixed.A I'm glad my motorcycle is air-cooled or I know what would be leaking now! We didn't get off to a good start this year! The motorcycle is a 1982 Suzuki GS650, nothing particularly special but with a lot of sentimental value. I bought it when I was 19 and a college sophomore. I'd never been on a motorcycle in my life - neither as a passenger nor a driver. I walked into the local Suzuki dealer and said "I like that one, I'll buy it!" and paid for it with my visa card, at 19.6% interest. And I wonder why it took me so long to pay off my college loans? ;-) We went to the parking lot and the salesman told me "This is the clutch, here's how you change gears, this is the front brake....have fun!" And I learned how to drive on the way home. Ah, youth! The motorcycle has been all over the place. I went to Cornell University, in upstate NY, and my girlfriend at the time went to Michigan, so it made the trip many times. It's attended Sturgis (despite being a Japanese bike, but I drove it there unlike many of the Harleys!) prowled the streets of Chicago, etc. But it got put into storage when I moved to Europe and took a long time to catch up to me. It recently was made road-worthy and is still wearing US plates, although I'll have to fix that over the next year. It is very difficult and very expensive to insure a vehicle in Europe with US plates. But for those from the US or Canada attending Le Mans Classic - -IT CAN BE DONE! Anyway, my question. The tendency in race cars and sports cars is moving away from a manual transmission to an automatic. I know that isn't quite true but don't really care if there is still technically a clutch or not - if there isn't a clutch pedal inside, then it's an automatic! Why hasn't the same thing happened with motorcycles? Because the shift time on a motorcycle is already so short? Do racers even use the clutch on a race bike? The weight associated with the mechanism is a larger percentage of a light bike as opposed to a car? A Just wondering this morning, as it was a nice morning for a ride and as there's no radio my mind went wandering...

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Voted?
by gonancy＠juno.com 01 Aug '16

01 Aug '16

What I want to know is who the heck voted for Shortt anyway and WHY? Impeach!! I want the madness to end already! ____________________________________________________________ Affordable Wireless Plans Set up is easy. Get online in minutes. Starting at only $9.95 per month! www.netzero.net?refcd=nzmem0216

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NPC: WSJ Porsche article
by Charles Engles 01 Aug '16

01 Aug '16

Dear Forum, I offer some excerpts from the WSJ automotive column of Dan Neil from this weekend: "The Sultrier Snarl of the Turbo Porsche Boxster". "As scripture counsels, I am a modest person. So I have never quite shaken the feeling that, maybe, bombing around town in a flashy drop-top sports car was showing off. A bit, don't you think? I mean, there I am with my perfect silver streak, Persol sunglasses and reasonable body-mass index, wheeling oh-so-expertly the 2017 Porsche 718 Boxster S, the snarl of this fine little dragon rending the suburban veil. Arch and artful, smart and fine, the midengine, two-seat Boxster is the company's starter sports car. The 2017 model adds slinkiness with available 18, 19 or 20 inch wheels press-fit into the wheel wells. Fancy schmanzy. I bet a lot of people think, "hey, there's someone who works at a Porsche dealership." Perhaps they think I am what they used to call an available gentleman? Curbside clinicians will diagnose midlife crisis, and they would be spot-on. This look would also work well for the owner of a chain of hair salons. But some, a cultivated few, will cup an ear, waiting to hear the new turbocharged Boxster under way. They will note the car's more concussive idle-the flat-four engine inherently has more of a discernible pulse than the previous six, even a bit of VW chuff-overdubbed with the distinctive chinning of the Porsche's valvetrain. And cooling fans, lots of fans. Perhaps these observers will linger over the sound of me romping it, all flourishing tom-toms and tenor trombones pitching up to the satisfyingly instant first-to-second upshift, over 7,000 revs Not loud, not furious, but murderously precise and sultry. After a moment, I expect these connoisseurs will approve. Then they can go back to hating me. ------So,yeah, turbochargers. Trouble is ,turbos sap energy from the engine's exhaust-gas stream, which means less sound pressure, less of an aural presence. In a word: volume. There will be purists who walk away from this vastly fast, quicker, roundly superior Boxster only because they prefer the dinosaur trill of the previous engine. Here is where Porsche's engineering and my Amish sense of modesty meet. Thanks to a lot of clever engineering-including an acoustic channel from the engine bay to just above the driver's left shoulder-the Boxster S sounds much more fierce from the driver's seat than it does outside the car.. As my wife drove off in it, I realized how short a distance the sound carried. There is a pretty huge difference in gestalt. You know what? I am fine with a technical outcome that allows the driver's experience to be rich and vivid, without unduly imposing on those around him. The problem with driving an aggressively loud open-top sports car is that, when people look around for the jerk, they can easily see you. Oops, sorry. Please, return to your outdoor memorial service. " Warmest regards, Chuck Engles Dear Forum, I offer some excerpts from the WSJ automotive column of Dan Neil from this weekend: "The Sultrier Snarl of the Turbo Porsche Boxster". "As scripture counsels, I am a modest person. So I have never quite shaken the feeling that, maybe, bombing around town in a flashy drop-top sports car was showing off. A bit, don't you think? I mean, there I am with my perfect silver streak, Persol sunglasses and reasonable body-mass index, wheeling oh-so-expertly the 2017 Porsche 718 Boxster S, the snarl of this fine little dragon rending the suburban veil. Arch and artful, smart and fine, the midengine, two-seat Boxster is the company's starter sports car. The 2017 model adds slinkiness with available 18, 19 or 20 inch wheels press-fit into the wheel wells. Fancy schmanzy. I bet a lot of people think, "hey, there's someone who works at a Porsche dealership." Perhaps they think I am what they used to call an available gentleman? Curbside clinicians will diagnose midlife crisis, and they would be spot-on. This look would also work well for the owner of a chain of hair salons. But some, a cultivated few, will cup an ear, waiting to hear the new turbocharged Boxster under way. They will note the car's more concussive idle--the flat-four engine inherently has more of a discernible pulse than the previous six, even a bit of VW chuff--overdubbed with the distinctive chinning of the Porsche's valvetrain. And cooling fans, lots of fans. Perhaps these observers will linger over the sound of me romping it, all flourishing tom-toms and tenor trombones pitching up to the satisfyingly instant first-to-second upshift, over 7,000 revs Not loud, not furious, but murderously precise and sultry. After a moment, I expect these connoisseurs will approve. Then they can go back to hating me. ------So,yeah, turbochargers. Trouble is ,turbos sap energy from the engine's exhaust-gas stream, which means less sound pressure, less of an aural presence. In a word: volume. There will be purists who walk away from this vastly fast, quicker, roundly superior Boxster only because they prefer the dinosaur trill of the previous engine. Here is where Porsche's engineering and my Amish sense of modesty meet. Thanks to a lot of clever engineering--including an acoustic channel from the engine bay to just above the driver's left shoulder--the Boxster S sounds much more fierce from the driver's seat than it does outside the car.. As my wife drove off in it, I realized how short a distance the sound carried. There is a pretty huge difference in gestalt. You know what? I am fine with a technical outcome that allows the driver's experience to be rich and vivid, without unduly imposing on those around him. The problem with driving an aggressively loud open-top sports car is that, when people look around for the jerk, they can easily see you. Oops, sorry. Please, return to your outdoor memorial service. " Warmest regards, Chuck Engles

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NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie"
by Scott Couchman 31 Jul '16

31 Jul '16

The USA Today Just Cool Cars team liked my 1949 Mercury Station wagon. My 15 seconds of Internet video fame....:-) Look, I can't drive the Pantera to Cars&Coffee every week! http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just-cool-cars-49-mercu…

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Cylinder Heads Sought
by Dave 31 Jul '16

31 Jul '16

Hello, Looking for 2 sets of unmodified, hopefully brand new, cylinder heads for a 351C. The owner of the car, based in Germany, requests: "4V/Quench - Small Chambered". The cylinder heads will be used on a future Le Mans Classic competitor that is under construction. Thank you for any leads. Email any details to <blocked::mailto:webmaster@motorspot.com> webmaster(a)motorspot.com Hello, Looking for 2 sets of unmodified, hopefully brand new, cylinder heads for a 351C. The owner of the car, based in Germany, requests: "4V/Quench - Small Chambered". The cylinder heads will be used on a future Le Mans Classic competitor that is under construction. Thank you for any leads. Email any details to [1]webmaster(a)motorspot.com References 1. blocked::mailto:webmaster@motorspot.com

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Cylinder Heads Sought
by Dave 31 Jul '16

31 Jul '16

Hello, Looking for 2 sets of unmodified, hopefully brand new, cylinder heads for a 351C. The owner of the car, based in Germany, requests: "4V/Quench - Small Chambered". The cylinder heads will be used on a future Le Mans Classic competitor that is under construction. Thank you for any leads. Email any details to <blocked::mailto:webmaster@motorspot.com> webmaster(a)motorspot.com Hello, Looking for 2 sets of unmodified, hopefully brand new, cylinder heads for a 351C. The owner of the car, based in Germany, requests: "4V/Quench - Small Chambered". The cylinder heads will be used on a future Le Mans Classic competitor that is under construction. Thank you for any leads. Email any details to [1]webmaster(a)motorspot.com References 1. blocked::mailto:webmaster@motorspot.com

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Selling parts
by Patrick HALS 31 Jul '16

31 Jul '16

I agree with what's been said. This place could be a great place to look for missing spares, however I feel that professional vendors should concentrate on their websites, and not start bombarding us with ads in this forum. This said, I am still looking for a complete wiring system ( in good shape ) for a French friend of mine, together with a full set of engine mounts :>)) Best to ya all ! Pat Patrick Hals +32.476.567.898 2016-07-31 18:00 GMT+02:00 <detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com>: > Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." > > Daily Detomaso List Digest > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Selling Parts? (Brent Stewart) > 2. Re: Rear Window Cracked.....again (Larry - Ohio Time) > 3. Has anyone researched hood vent designs? (Ken Green) > 4. Re: Has anyone researched hood vent designs? (Julian Kift) > 5. Pantera Show (Jeff Detrich) > 6. Re: Pantera Show (Julian Kift) > 7. Re: Pantera Show (Julian Kift) > 8. Re: Pantera Show (Charles Engles) > 9. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" (B Hower) > 10. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" (B Hower) > 11. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > (Himes, Terry (397C)) > 12. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > (Himes, Terry (397C)) > 13. Re: Pantera Show // twice (B Hower) > 14. Re: Pantera Show // twice (B Hower) > 15. Re: Pantera Show // twice (Julian Kift) > 16. Re: Pantera Show // twice (Julian Kift) > 17. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > (scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com) > 18. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > (scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com) > 19. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > (Himes, Terry (397C)) > 20. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > (Himes, Terry (397C)) > 21. Re: Selling Parts? (Michael Cox) > 22. Re: Pantera Show // twice (Charles McCall) > 23. Re: Pantera Show // twice (Charles McCall) > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com> > To: B Hower <b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> > Cc: "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:30:38 -0700 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Selling Parts? > I like the the idea of people selling on this list. Common convention > dictates that we format the subject line with an "FS:" so those that are > not interested can easily skip. > > I actually have a few things that are taking up garage space, so will post > them here over the next few weeks. > > > Brent > > > On Jul 30, 2016, at 4:11 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso < > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > > > I call what Larry is doing as being informative. It is not an add, but > > in response to a request. > > > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be > > ! ) > > __________________________________________________________________ > > > > From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay(a)asajay.com> > > To: detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 11:25 PM > > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Selling Parts? > > Corey, > > Generally speaking, I think we've had a lot of folks advertise on > > this > > email forum like this. For personal parts and stuff that you're > > selling or needing to buy, it's a great place to start. I think a > > quick post like what you made is just fine, and don't forget to post > > on > > POCA and PI forums. > > On the flip side, I think it's generally accepted that we don't > > advertise businesses or business parts on a regular basis. But look > > look at how Larry Stock has been doing it... I think that works very > > well in the construct of this email forum. Larry has been responding > > to some posts with (basically) "hey, we got that" as he owns Pantera > > Parts Connection. It's not like he's taking out an ad, but more like > > he's saying if someone really needs one, he's got one. It's not like > > the ad emails that come in every day from other outside vendors that > > you just purchased one part from. It's like me popping in and saying > > hey, I have one of those on the shelf as a spare and I'm willing to > > sell it to you. > > I'd enjoy seeing other vendors pop in once in a while and do the same > > thing. > > Asa Jay > > Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired > > & Shelley Marie > > Spokane, WA > > ****************************** > > [1][1]http://w7tsc.org > > [2][2]http://www.teampanteraracing.com > > On 7/29/2016 5:01 PM, Corey Price wrote: > > Is there a better place to advertise some engine parts than this > > email > > forum?A I don't usually see much advertised here.A Not trying to > > step > > on toes or overstep my bounds if this is taboo.A If taboo, my > > apologies. > > I have a 351C block with extensive work, some brand new Crane Cams > > roller lifters, and a Kevko fully baffled Pantera oil pan to sell.A > > I > > have two 351C blocks and don't need to store both.A The 351C block > > is > > bored to just under 0.020" over, sonic checked with minimal core > > shift, > > good thrust wall thickness, line honed, 4-bolt mains with ARP studs, > > CNC decked to a mirror finish and indexed to the crank, and the > > lifter > > bores were bushed via a CNC machine with orifices for hydraulic > > roller > > lifters.A I have over $2000 into this block and I would like to > > recoup > > some of this so don't expect used block pricing.A This would be a > > really great basis for a powerful engine!A It hasn't been honed > > (intentionally) so someone could have it honed for the pistons and > > rings they will be using.A I think I can ship this via truck > > freight. > > The Kevko pan is used but very limited use.A All three items sold > > separately or I can lump them together. > > Please send me a private email if you're interested. > > Corey > > _______________________________________________ > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > [3][3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > [4][4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > > use the li > > nks above. > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > > message p > > osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > > > References > > > > 1. http://w7tsc.org/ > > 2. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > > 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > 5. http://w7tsc.org/ > > 6. http://www.teampanteraracing.com/ > > 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > 9. http://www.avg.com/ > > 10. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > > 11. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > _______________________________________________ > > > > > > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > > DeTomaso mailing list > > DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > > http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > > > > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. > They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve > the archiving of list messages. > > > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: Larry - Ohio Time <Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> > To: "'Roland'" <willibillie(a)live.de>, "'Don Thomas'" < > don.thomas.ieee(a)gmail.com> > Cc: "'Pantera Mail List'" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "'Ken > Green'" <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com> > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:31:55 -0400 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again > << There are some terrible after market rubbers floating around.>> > > > I could be in trouble... > > > Larry (no rhythm) - Cleveland > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Roland > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:57 AM > To: Don Thomas > Cc: Pantera Mail List; Ken Green > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again > > Did you check your rubber? There are some terrible after market rubbers > floating around. > > Gesendet vom Irgendwo im Nirgendwo. > > > Am 30.07.2016 um 17:26 schrieb Don Thomas <don.thomas.ieee(a)gmail.com>: > > > > Trim the glass (Pattern) an addition 1/16th of an inch all > > around.A That is what an old time Pantera guy told me what to do when I > > had to replace the glass...A That worked perfect.A > > If you are cracking the glass ... it's obviously stressed... and it's > > pushing to hard on the rubber.A A Like mentioned before, float the > > glass. > > Enjoy, > > -dt > > On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso > > <[1]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > > > > A A Seems like you should inspect the edge of the glass if the > > window is > > A A out, and smooth out any nicks.A I think that is where cracks > > start. > > A A Ken > > A A > > A __________________________________________________________________ > > A A From: Will Kooiman <[2]will.kooiman(a)gmail.com> > > A A To: michael frazier <[3]red3644(a)hotmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin > > A A <[4]rob(a)dumoulins.net>; Matt Wells <[5]nwpantera(a)gmail.com> > > A A Cc: Pantera Mail List <[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > > A A Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:38 PM > > A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again > > A A I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and > > never > > A A cracked it. > > A A I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the > > roughness > > A A out > > A A before reinstalling it.A As I pushed the final time to get it > > in it > > A A popped.A I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I > > wasnA^1t pushing > > A A that > > A A hard. > > A A So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went > > in with > > A A no > > A A drama. > > A A ThatA^1s my story anyway. > > A A On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier" > > A A <[1][7]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > > > > A A [2][8]red3644(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > A A >A I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with > > glass and > > A A >A plastic units. > > A A > > > A A >A None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a > > A A misguided > > A A >A ratchet or > > A A > > > A A >A some other tool.A I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 > > right > > A A >A now.A It's double > > A A > > > A A >A walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so > > out of > > A A >A shape that it would > > A A > > > A A >A cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the > > glass > > A A >A through the gasket. > > A A > > > A A >A I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well > > as I > > A A >A could.A I doubt body flex > > A A > > > A A >A caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in > > the > > A A >A opening...unless you're > > A A > > > A A >A using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off.A > > They > > A A >A should go in quite easily > > A A > > > A A >A if sized correctly.A I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late > > model > > A A window > > A A >A some time ago FWIW. > > A A > > > A A > > > A A >A Michael Frazier > > A A > > > A A > > > A A >A From: [1]Rob Dumoulin > > A A >A Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM > > A A >A To: [2]Matt Wells > > A A >A Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List > > A A >A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again > > A A > > > A A > > > A A >A I did not think that the glass was adding structural > > integrity, but > > A A >A instead > > A A >A thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which > > may > > A A have > > A A >A been > > A A >A closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it > > the > > A A >A glass > > A A >A were a little off it might have been snug on install then > > cracked > > A A >A during > > A A >A driving. > > A A >A I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able > > to be > > A A >A there > > A A >A when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy > > and > > A A will > > A A >A redo > > A A >A it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. > > A A >A You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and > > it > > A A was > > A A >A not > > A A >A installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is > > a > > A A >A perfect > > A A >A fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. > > If > > A A >A anything, > > A A >A I would think it would add support. > > > > A A >A On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <[3][9]nwpantera(a)gmail.com> > > wrote: > > A A >A > "Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have > > A A tweaked > > A A >A the > > A A >A > car enough to cause > > A A >A >A A the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural > > state?" > > A A >A > "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on > > jack > > A A >A stands > > A A >A >A A prior to glass entry" > > A A >A > > > A A >A > Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the > > idea > > A A that > > A A >A the > > A A >A > rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of > > the car, > > A A >A and > > A A >A > without it being in place the shape will change during > > jacking. > > A A >A > I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should > > A A eliminate > > A A >A it > > A A >A > from your trouble shooting thought process. > > A A >A > Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection > > in the > > A A >A seating > > A A >A > like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. > > A A >A > Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? Is > > there > > A A >A extreme > > A A >A > heat near the suspect cracked areas? Was the glass properly > > A A de-burred > > A A >A of > > A A >A > all sharp edges? 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I > don't want to give up a lot of trunk. > Ken > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > To: Ken Green <kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>, "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" < > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:44:34 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? > Ken, > > It varies a few mm car to car but the later GT5 & GT5S cars that had > hood vents from the factory the holes are placed 305mm from the center > front edge hood to the leading edge of the vent and the vent > hole innermost edges are spaced 78mm apart. > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Ken Green via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:34 AM > To: DeTomaso List > Subject: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? > > I'm having a light weight hood made and will modify the leading edge of > the front trunk as needed for the vent, but am not sure about the > location of the opening, specifically how far back from the nose. I > don't want to give up a lot of trunk. > Ken > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> > To: chandler(a)rocket-hire.com, detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Cc: > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 13:44:38 -0500 > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > Charles, > Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit paranoid > when people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes > blow off a little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you > got good money for the car. > Jeff Detrich > Car 6559 > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>, "chandler(a)rocket-hire.com" < > chandler(a)rocket-hire.com>, "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" < > detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>, "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" < > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:49:40 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > This was in reply to an email I didn't receive from the list, but I > notice a lot coming as bounces lately. I see that some emails are > coming from detomaso(a)detoamsolist.com and others > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, I have been using the latter is that > right? > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 AM > To: chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > > Charles, > Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit paranoid > when > people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow > off a > little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good > money > for the car. > Jeff Detrich > Car 6559 > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>, "chandler(a)rocket-hire.com" < > chandler(a)rocket-hire.com>, "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" < > detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>, "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" < > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:49:40 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > This was in reply to an email I didn't receive from the list, but I > notice a lot coming as bounces lately. I see that some emails are > coming from detomaso(a)detoamsolist.com and others > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, I have been using the latter is that > right? > > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 AM > To: chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > > Charles, > Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit paranoid > when > people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow > off a > little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good > money > for the car. > Jeff Detrich > Car 6559 > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: Charles Engles <cengles(a)cox.net> > To: "'Julian Kift'" <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, < > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:44:22 -0500 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > Dear Julian: Right. deTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com is the correct > address per Kurt. Warmest regards, Chuck Engles > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: DeTomaso [mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf > Of Julian Kift > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:50 PM > To: Jeff Detrich; chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > > This was in reply to an email I didn't receive from the list, but I notice > a > lot coming as bounces lately. I see that some emails are coming from > detomaso(a)detoamsolist.com and others detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, I > have been using the latter is that right? > > > Julian > > ________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of > Jeff > Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 AM > To: chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > > Charles, > > Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit paranoid when > people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow off a > little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good money > for the car. > > Jeff Detrich > Car 6559 > > > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: B Hower <b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> > To: Ed Pike <erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso < > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" < > detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:07:53 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > I like it, beautiful. > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be > ! ) > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Ed Pike <erjpike(a)gmail.com> > To: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>; > "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > Scott > Nice job! > Great looking car. > Ed.. > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > From: [2]Scott Couchman via DeTomaso > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 5:53 AM > To: [3][1]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > The USA Today Just Cool Cars team liked my 1949 Mercury Station > wagon. > My 15 seconds of Internet video fame....:-) > Look, I can't drive the Pantera to Cars&Coffee every week! > > [2]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just-cool-cars-4 > 9-m > ercury-wagon-hasnt-aged-day/85739834/ > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > References > 1. > [5]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 2. mailto:[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 3. mailto:[7]detomaso@detomasolist.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 2. > http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just-cool-cars-49-m > 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 5. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 7. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 8. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: B Hower <b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> > To: Ed Pike <erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso < > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" < > detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:07:53 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > I like it, beautiful. > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be > ! ) > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Ed Pike <erjpike(a)gmail.com> > To: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>; > "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > Scott > Nice job! > Great looking car. > Ed.. > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > From: [2]Scott Couchman via DeTomaso > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 5:53 AM > To: [3][1]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > The USA Today Just Cool Cars team liked my 1949 Mercury Station > wagon. > My 15 seconds of Internet video fame....:-) > Look, I can't drive the Pantera to Cars&Coffee every week! > > [2]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just-cool-cars-4 > 9-m > ercury-wagon-hasnt-aged-day/85739834/ > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [3]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [4]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > References > 1. > [5]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 2. mailto:[6]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 3. mailto:[7]detomaso@detomasolist.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [8]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [9]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 2. > http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just-cool-cars-49-m > 3. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 4. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 5. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 7. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 8. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 9. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> > To: B Hower <b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com>, Ed Pike <erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott > Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, " > detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 23:59:44 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > My Uncle Wes (Myrick) has one parked in one of his barns in Michigan. > He drove it the whole time I was growing > up. Its still there, runs great, I saw it again last October. Wes is > 93 and still works on most all his cars. 6 barns full. > I will post pictures of them when I get a spare minute. Drinks a glass > of whiskey (on-the-rocks) every night. ;-) > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov > > From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf > of B Hower via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Reply-To: B Hower <[4]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> > Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:07 PM > To: Ed Pike <[5]erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso > <[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "[7]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" > <[8]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > > I like it, beautiful. > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be > ! ) > From: Ed Pike <[9]erjpike(a)gmail.com> > To: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>; > "[11]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[12]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > > Scott > Nice job! > Great looking car. > Ed.. > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > From: [2]Scott Couchman via DeTomaso > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 5:53 AM > To: [3][13]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > The USA Today Just Cool Cars team liked my 1949 Mercury Station > wagon. > My 15 seconds of Internet video fame....:-) > Look, I can't drive the Pantera to Cars&Coffee every week! > > [14]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just-cool-cars- > 49-m > ercury-wagon-hasnt-aged-day/85739834/ > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an > archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > References > 1. [17]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 2. [18]mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 3. [19]mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [20]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [21]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:thimes@jpl.nasa.gov > 2. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 3. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:b.hower3400@yahoo.com > 5. mailto:erjpike@gmail.com > 6. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 7. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 8. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 9. mailto:erjpike@gmail.com > 10. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 11. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 12. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 13. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 14. > http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just-cool-cars-49-m > 15. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 16. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > 17. https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 > 18. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 19. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 20. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 21. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: "Himes, Terry (397C)" <terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> > To: B Hower <b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com>, Ed Pike <erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott > Couchman via DeTomaso <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, " > detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Cc: > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2016 23:59:44 +0000 > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > My Uncle Wes (Myrick) has one parked in one of his barns in Michigan. > He drove it the whole time I was growing > up. Its still there, runs great, I saw it again last October. Wes is > 93 and still works on most all his cars. 6 barns full. > I will post pictures of them when I get a spare minute. Drinks a glass > of whiskey (on-the-rocks) every night. ;-) > > "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, > > stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" > > Terry W. Himes > > JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory > > Dawn Spacecraft Team > > Rosetta Sequence Team Lead > > Phone: (818) 393-6261 > > Cell: (818) 653-8213 > > Fax: (818) 393-3147 > > [1]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov > > From: DeTomaso <[2]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf > of B Hower via DeTomaso <[3]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Reply-To: B Hower <[4]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> > Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:07 PM > To: Ed Pike <[5]erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso > <[6]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "[7]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" > <[8]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > > I like it, beautiful. > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be > ! ) > From: Ed Pike <[9]erjpike(a)gmail.com> > To: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>; > "[11]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[12]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:31 AM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > > Scott > Nice job! > Great looking car. > Ed.. > Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 > From: [2]Scott Couchman via DeTomaso > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 5:53 AM > To: [3][13]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" > The USA Today Just Cool Cars team liked my 1949 Mercury Station > wagon. > My 15 seconds of Internet video fame....:-) > Look, I can't drive the Pantera to Cars&Coffee every week! > > [14]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just-cool-cars- > 49-m > ercury-wagon-hasnt-aged-day/85739834/ > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [15]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [16]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward > any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. 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I see that some emails are > coming from [1]detomaso(a)detoamsolist.com and others > [2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, I have been using the latter is > that > right? > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on > behalf of > Jeff Detrich <[4]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 AM > To: [5]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; [6]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > Charles, > Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit > paranoid > when > people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow > off a > little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good > money > for the car. > Jeff Detrich > Car 6559 > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:detomaso@detoamsolist.com > 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com > 5. mailto:chandler@rocket-hire.com > 6. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > > ---------- Message transféré ---------- > From: B Hower <b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> > To: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Jeff Detrich < > jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>, "chandler(a)rocket-hire.com" <chandler(a)rocket-hire.com>, > "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>, " > detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Cc: > Date: Sun, 31 Jul 2016 00:09:11 +0000 (UTC) > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show // twice > I just got this e-mail twice, one minute between them. > > Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be > ! ) > __________________________________________________________________ > > From: Julian Kift <julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> > To: Jeff Detrich <jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>; "chandler(a)rocket-hire.com" > <chandler(a)rocket-hire.com>; "detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" > <detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>; "detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" > <detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > This was in reply to an email I didn't receive from the list, but I > notice a lot coming as bounces lately. I see that some emails are > coming from [1]detomaso(a)detoamsolist.com and others > [2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, I have been using the latter is > that > right? > Julian > __________________________________________________________________ > From: DeTomaso <[3]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on > behalf of > Jeff Detrich <[4]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 AM > To: [5]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; [6]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com > Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show > Charles, > Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit > paranoid > when > people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow > off a > little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good > money > for the car. > Jeff Detrich > Car 6559 > _______________________________________________ > Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA > Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes > DeTomaso mailing list > [7]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com > [8]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) > use the links above. > Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any > message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the > list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive > or approve the archiving of list messages. > > References > > 1. mailto:detomaso@detoamsolist.com > 2. mailto:detomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 3. mailto:detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com > 4. mailto:jjdetrich@gmail.com > 5. mailto:chandler@rocket-hire.com > 6. mailto:detomaso@detomasolist.com > 7. mailto:DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com > 8. http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso > > ... > > [Message tronqué] I agree with what's been said. This place could be a great place to look for missing spares, however I feel that professional vendors should concentrate on their websites, and not start bombarding us with ads in this forum.A This said, I am still looking for a complete wiring system A ( in good shape ) for a French friend of mine, together with a full set of engine mounts :>)) Best to ya all !A Pat Patrick Hals +32.476.567.898 2016-07-31 18:00 GMT+02:00 <[1]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com>: Send DeTomaso mailing list submissions to A A A A [2]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit A A A A [3]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to A A A A [4]detomaso-request(a)server.detomasolist.com You can reach the person managing the list at A A A A [5]detomaso-owner(a)server.detomasolist.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of DeTomaso digest..." Daily Detomaso List Digest Today's Topics: A A 1. Re: Selling Parts? (Brent Stewart) A A 2. Re: Rear Window Cracked.....again (Larry - Ohio Time) A A 3. Has anyone researched hood vent designs? (Ken Green) A A 4. Re: Has anyone researched hood vent designs? (Julian Kift) A A 5. Pantera Show (Jeff Detrich) A A 6. Re: Pantera Show (Julian Kift) A A 7. Re: Pantera Show (Julian Kift) A A 8. Re: Pantera Show (Charles Engles) A A 9. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" (B Hower) A 10. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" (B Hower) A 11. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A (Himes, Terry (397C)) A 12. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A (Himes, Terry (397C)) A 13. Re: Pantera Show // twice (B Hower) A 14. Re: Pantera Show // twice (B Hower) A 15. Re: Pantera Show // twice (Julian Kift) A 16. Re: Pantera Show // twice (Julian Kift) A 17. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A ([6]scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com) A 18. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A ([7]scottcouchman(a)yahoo.com) A 19. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A (Himes, Terry (397C)) A 20. Re: NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A (Himes, Terry (397C)) A 21. Re: Selling Parts? (Michael Cox) A 22. Re: Pantera Show // twice (Charles McCall) A 23. Re: Pantera Show // twice (Charles McCall) ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A Brent Stewart <[8]bjbstewart(a)yahoo.com> To:A B Hower <[9]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> Cc:A "[10]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[11]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 09:30:38 -0700 Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] Selling Parts? I like the the idea of people selling on this list. Common convention dictates that we format the subject line with an "FS:" so those that are not interested can easily skip. I actually have a few things that are taking up garage space, so will post them here over the next few weeks. Brent > On Jul 30, 2016, at 4:11 AM, B Hower via DeTomaso <[12]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > >A A I call what Larry is doing as being informative. It is not an add, but >A A in response to a request. > >A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be >A A ! ) >A A A __________________________________________________________________ > >A A From: Asa Jay Laughton <[13]asajay(a)asajay.com> >A A To: [14]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >A A Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 11:25 PM >A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Selling Parts? >A A A Corey, >A A A Generally speaking, I think we've had a lot of folks advertise on >A A this >A A A email forum like this.A For personal parts and stuff that you're >A A A selling or needing to buy, it's a great place to start.A I think a >A A A quick post like what you made is just fine, and don't forget to post >A A on >A A A POCA and PI forums. >A A A On the flip side, I think it's generally accepted that we don't >A A A advertise businesses or business parts on a regular basis.A But look >A A A look at how Larry Stock has been doing it... I think that works very >A A A well in the construct of this email forum.A Larry has been responding >A A A to some posts with (basically)A "hey, we got that" as he owns Pantera >A A A Parts Connection.A It's not like he's taking out an ad, but more like >A A A he's saying if someone really needs one, he's got one.A It's not like >A A A the ad emails that come in every day from other outside vendors that >A A A you just purchased one part from.A It's like me popping in and saying >A A A hey, I have one of those on the shelf as a spare and I'm willing to >A A A sell it to you. >A A A I'd enjoy seeing other vendors pop in once in a while and do the same >A A A thing. >A A A AsaA Jay >A A Asa Jay Laughton - W7TSC, MSgt, USAFR, Retired >A A & Shelley Marie >A A Spokane, WA >A A ****************************** >A A [1][1][15]http://w7tsc.org >A A [2][2][16]http://www.teampanteraracing.com >A A A On 7/29/2016 5:01 PM, Corey Price wrote: >A A A Is there a better place to advertise some engine parts than this >A A email >A A A forum?AA I don't usually see much advertised here.AA Not trying to >A A step >A A A on toes or overstep my bounds if this is taboo.AA If taboo, my >A A A apologies. >A A A I have a 351C block with extensive work, some brand new Crane Cams >A A A roller lifters, and a Kevko fully baffled Pantera oil pan to sell.A >A A I >A A A have two 351C blocks and don't need to store both.AA The 351C block >A A is >A A A bored to just under 0.020" over, sonic checked with minimal core >A A shift, >A A A good thrust wall thickness, line honed, 4-bolt mains with ARP studs, >A A A CNC decked to a mirror finish and indexed to the crank, and the >A A lifter >A A A bores were bushed via a CNC machine with orifices for hydraulic >A A roller >A A A lifters.AA I have over $2000 into this block and I would like to >A A recoup >A A A some of this so don't expect used block pricing.AA This would be a >A A A really great basis for a powerful engine!AA It hasn't been honed >A A A (intentionally) so someone could have it honed for the pistons and >A A A rings they will be using.AA I think I can ship this via truck >A A freight. >A A A The Kevko pan is used but very limited use.AA All three items sold >A A A separately or I can lump them together. >A A A Please send me a private email if you're interested. >A A A Corey >A A _______________________________________________ >A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA >A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes >A A DeTomaso mailing list >A A [3][3][17]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com >A A [4][4][18]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso >A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) >A A use the li >A A nks above. >A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any >A A message p >A A osted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A Larry - Ohio Time <[40]Larry(a)ohiotimecorp.com> To:A "'Roland'" <[41]willibillie(a)live.de>, "'Don Thomas'" <[42]don.thomas.ieee(a)gmail.com> Cc:A "'Pantera Mail List'" <[43]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "'Ken Green'" <[44]kenn_green(a)yahoo.com> Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:31:55 -0400 Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again << There are some terrible after market rubbers floating around.>> I could be in trouble... Larry (no rhythm) - Cleveland -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[45]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Roland Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:57 AM To: Don Thomas Cc: Pantera Mail List; Ken Green Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again Did you check your rubber? There are some terrible after market rubbers floating around. Gesendet vom Irgendwo im Nirgendwo. > Am 30.07.2016 um 17:26 schrieb Don Thomas <[46]don.thomas.ieee(a)gmail.com>: > >A A Trim the glass (Pattern) an addition 1/16th of an inch all >A A around.A That is what an old time Pantera guy told me what to do when I >A A had to replace the glass...A That worked perfect.A >A A If you are cracking the glass ... it's obviously stressed... and it's >A A pushing to hard on the rubber.A AA Like mentioned before, float the >A A glass. >A A Enjoy, >A A -dt >A A On Fri, Jul 29, 2016 at 9:56 PM, Ken Green via DeTomaso >A A <[1][47]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> wrote: > >A A A AA A Seems like you should inspect the edge of the glass if the >A A A window is >A A A AA A out, and smooth out any nicks.AA I think that is where cracks >A A A start. >A A A AA A Ken >A A A AA A >A A A A __________________________________________________________________ >A A A AA A From: Will Kooiman <[2][48]will.kooiman(a)gmail.com> >A A A AA A To: michael frazier <[3][49]red3644(a)hotmail.com>; Rob Dumoulin >A A A AA A <[4][50]rob(a)dumoulins.net>; Matt Wells <[5][51]nwpantera(a)gmail.com> >A A A AA A Cc: Pantera Mail List <[6][52]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> >A A A AA A Sent: Friday, July 29, 2016 8:38 PM >A A A AA A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again >A A A AA A I hit my window a few times with a ratchet over the years, and >A A A never >A A A AA A cracked it. >A A A AA A I removed it when I had the car painted, and I polished the >A A A roughness >A A A AA A out >A A A AA A before reinstalling it.AA As I pushed the final time to get it >A A A in it >A A A AA A popped.AA I was pushing with the palm of my hand, and I >A A A wasnA^1t pushing >A A A AA A that >A A A AA A hard. >A A A AA A So, I had a new one made with safety glass, and this one went >A A A in with >A A A AA A no >A A A AA A drama. >A A A AA A ThatA^1s my story anyway. >A A A AA A On 7/25/16, 10:33 PM, "DeTomaso on behalf of michael frazier" >A A A AA A <[1][7][53]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com on behalf of > >A A AA A [2][8][54]red3644(a)hotmail.com> wrote: >A A AA A >AA I've replaced a couple of rear windows over the years with >A A glass and >A A AA A >AA plastic units. >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA None were badly cracked but just had stars, probably from a >A A AA A misguided >A A AA A >AA ratchet or >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA some other tool.AA I'm looking at the pinch weld area of 6643 >A A right >A A AA A >AA now.AA It's double >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA walled and a little wavy but it's hard to imagine it being so >A A out of >A A AA A >AA shape that it would >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA cause a hot spot / pressure point severe enough to break the >A A glass >A A AA A >AA through the gasket. >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA I'd still put a straight edge on it and flatten it out as well >A A as I >A A AA A >AA could.AA I doubt body flex >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA caused it since the glass and gasket actually float a bit in >A A the >A A AA A >AA opening...unless you're >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA using some kind of rigid adhesives...then all bets are off.A >A A They >A A AA A >AA should go in quite easily >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA if sized correctly.AA I gave Mike Drew a tracing of a late >A A model >A A AA A window >A A AA A >AA some time ago FWIW. >A A AA A > >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA Michael Frazier >A A AA A > >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA From: [1]Rob Dumoulin >A A AA A >AA Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 8:08 PM >A A AA A >AA To: [2]Matt Wells >A A AA A >AA Cc: [3]Pantera Mail List >A A AA A >AA Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Rear Window Cracked.....again >A A AA A > >A A AA A > >A A AA A >AA I did not think that the glass was adding structural >A A integrity, but >A A AA A >AA instead >A A AA A >AA thought somehow that the car being on stands two weeks, which >A A may >A A AA A have >A A AA A >AA been >A A AA A >AA closer to three weeks, tweaked the opening just enough that it >A A the >A A AA A >AA glass >A A AA A >AA were a little off it might have been snug on install then >A A cracked >A A AA A >AA during >A A AA A >AA driving. >A A AA A >AA I did not inspect the glass prior to install and was not able >A A to be >A A AA A >AA there >A A AA A >AA when it was done, but my glass guy is a stand up talented guy >A A and >A A AA A will >A A AA A >AA redo >A A AA A >AA it for free. I plan to pass any advice from you guys to him. >A A AA A >AA You are correct that the 5 point harness bar is installed, and >A A it >A A AA A was >A A AA A >AA not >A A AA A >AA installed when the first glass was put in. However, the bar is >A A a >A A AA A >AA perfect >A A AA A >AA fit and has no extra pressure added to make the bolts thread. >A A If >A A AA A >AA anything, >A A AA A >AA I would think it would add support. > >A A AA A >AA On Jul 25, 2016 5:40 PM, "Matt" <[3][9][55]nwpantera(a)gmail.com> >A A wrote: >A A AA A >AA > "Is it possible that the car being on jack stands could have >A A AA A tweaked >A A AA A >AA the >A A AA A >AA > car enough to cause >A A AA A >AA >AA AA the glass to bind as it re-tweaked to its natural >A A state?" >A A AA A >AA > "Does anybody think it has anything to do with it being on >A A jack >A A AA A >AA stands >A A AA A >AA >AA AA prior to glass entry" >A A AA A >AA > >A A AA A >AA > Rob what is probably nagging your subconsciousness is the >A A idea >A A AA A that >A A AA A >AA the >A A AA A >AA > rear glass is a part vital to the structural integrity of >A A the car, >A A AA A >AA and >A A AA A >AA > without it being in place the shape will change during >A A jacking. >A A AA A >AA > I'm no engineer but that idea sounds absurd and you should >A A AA A eliminate >A A AA A >AA it >A A AA A >AA > from your trouble shooting thought process. >A A AA A >AA > Sure they flex some, but rather the idea of an imperfection >A A in the >A A AA A >AA seating >A A AA A >AA > like Mike D. said sounds more plausible. >A A AA A >AA > Is the opening entirely straight sitting on the ground? 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They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. _______________________________________________ Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes DeTomaso mailing list [105]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com [106]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) use the links above. Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive or approve the archiving of list messages. ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A Ken Green <[107]kenn_green(a)yahoo.com> To:A DeTomaso List <[108]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Subject:A [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? A A I'm having a light weight hood made and will modify the leading edge A A of the front trunk as needed for the vent, but am not sure about the A A location of the opening, specifically how far back from the nose.A I A A don't want to give up a lot of trunk. A A Ken ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A Julian Kift <[109]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> To:A Ken Green <[110]kenn_green(a)yahoo.com>, "[111]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[112]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:44:34 +0000 Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? A A Ken, A A It varies a few mm car to car but the later GT5 & GT5S cars that had A A hood vents from the factory the holes are placed 305mm from the center A A front edge hood to the leading edge of the vent and the vent A A hole innermost edges are spaced 78mm apart. A A Julian A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: DeTomaso <[113]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of A A Ken Green via DeTomaso <[114]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:34 AM A A To: DeTomaso List A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Has anyone researched hood vent designs? A A I'm having a light weight hood made and will modify the leading edge of A A the front trunk as needed for the vent, but am not sure about the A A location of the opening, specifically how far back from the nose.A I A A don't want to give up a lot of trunk. A A Ken ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A Jeff Detrich <[115]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> To:A [116]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com, [117]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Cc:A Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 13:44:38 -0500 Subject:A [DeTomaso] Pantera Show A A Charles, A A Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit paranoid A A when people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes A A blow off a little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you A A got good money for the car. A A Jeff Detrich A A Car 6559 ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A Julian Kift <[118]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> To:A Jeff Detrich <[119]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>, "[120]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com" <[121]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com>, "[122]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[123]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>, "[124]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[125]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:49:40 +0000 Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show A A This was in reply to an email I didn't receive from the list, but I A A notice a lot coming as bounces lately. I see that some emails are A A coming from [126]detomaso(a)detoamsolist.com and others A A [127]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, I have been using the latter is that A A right? A A Julian A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: DeTomaso <[128]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of A A Jeff Detrich <[129]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 AM A A To: [130]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; [131]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show A A Charles, A A Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit paranoid A A when A A people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow A A off a A A little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good A A money A A for the car. A A Jeff Detrich A A Car 6559 ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A Julian Kift <[132]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> To:A Jeff Detrich <[133]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>, "[134]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com" <[135]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com>, "[136]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[137]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>, "[138]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[139]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 18:49:40 +0000 Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show A A This was in reply to an email I didn't receive from the list, but I A A notice a lot coming as bounces lately. I see that some emails are A A coming from [140]detomaso(a)detoamsolist.com and others A A [141]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, I have been using the latter is that A A right? A A Julian A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: DeTomaso <[142]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of A A Jeff Detrich <[143]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 AM A A To: [144]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; [145]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show A A Charles, A A Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit paranoid A A when A A people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow A A off a A A little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good A A money A A for the car. A A Jeff Detrich A A Car 6559 ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A Charles Engles <[146]cengles(a)cox.net> To:A "'Julian Kift'" <[147]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, <[148]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 14:44:22 -0500 Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show Dear Julian:A A Right.A [149]deTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com is the correct address per Kurt.A A Warmest regards, Chuck Engles -----Original Message----- From: DeTomaso [mailto:[150]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com] On Behalf Of Julian Kift Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:50 PM To: Jeff Detrich; [151]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; [152]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com; [153]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show This was in reply to an email I didn't receive from the list, but I notice a lot coming as bounces lately. I see that some emails are coming from [154]detomaso(a)detoamsolist.com and others [155]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, I have been using the latter is that right? Julian ________________________________ From: DeTomaso <[156]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf of Jeff Detrich <[157]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 AM To: [158]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; [159]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show Charles, Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit paranoid when people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow off a little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good money for the car. Jeff Detrich Car 6559 ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A B Hower <[160]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> To:A Ed Pike <[161]erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[162]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "[163]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[164]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A I like it, beautiful. A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be A A ! ) A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Ed Pike <[165]erjpike(a)gmail.com> A A To: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[166]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>; A A "[167]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[168]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:31 AM A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A Scott A A A Nice job! A A A Great looking car. A A A Ed.. 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[186]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A B Hower <[187]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> To:A Ed Pike <[188]erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[189]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "[190]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[191]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 20:07:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A I like it, beautiful. A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be A A ! ) A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Ed Pike <[192]erjpike(a)gmail.com> A A To: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[193]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>; A A "[194]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[195]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:31 AM A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A Scott A A A Nice job! A A A Great looking car. A A A Ed.. A A A Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 A A A From: [2]Scott Couchman via DeTomaso A A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 5:53 AM A A A To: [3][1][196]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A The USA Today Just Cool Cars team liked my 1949 Mercury Station A A wagon. A A A My 15 seconds of Internet video fame....:-) A A A Look, I can't drive the Pantera to Cars&Coffee every week! A A [2][197]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just-c ool-cars-4 A A 9-m A A A ercury-wagon-hasnt-aged-day/85739834/ A A A _______________________________________________ A A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A A DeTomaso mailing list A A A [3][198]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A A [4][199]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A A use the links above. A A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward A A any A A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an A A archive A A A or approve the archiving of list messages. A A References A A A 1. 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[206]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just-cool-c ars-49-m A A 3. mailto:[207]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A 4. [208]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A 5. [209]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 A A 6. mailto:[210]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A 7. mailto:[211]detomaso@detomasolist.com A A 8. mailto:[212]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A 9. [213]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[214]terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> To:A B Hower <[215]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com>, Ed Pike <[216]erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[217]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "[218]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[219]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 23:59:44 +0000 Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A My Uncle Wes (Myrick) has one parked in one of his barns in Michigan. A A He drove it the whole time I was growing A A up.A Its still there, runs great, I saw it again last October.A Wes is A A 93 and still works on most all his cars.A 6 barns full. A A I will post pictures of them when I get a spare minute.A Drinks a glass A A of whiskey (on-the-rocks) every night.A ;-) A A "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, A A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" A A Terry W. Himes A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory A A Dawn Spacecraft Team A A Rosetta Sequence Team Lead A A Phone: [220](818) 393-6261 A A Cell:A A A [221](818) 653-8213 A A Fax:A A A [222](818) 393-3147 A A [1][223]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov A A From: DeTomaso <[2][224]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf A A of B Hower via DeTomaso <[3][225]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> A A Reply-To: B Hower <[4][226]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> A A Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:07 PM A A To: Ed Pike <[5][227]erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso A A <[6][228]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "[7][229]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" A A <[8][230]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A I like it, beautiful. A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be A A ! ) A A A A A From: Ed Pike <[9][231]erjpike(a)gmail.com> A A To: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[10][232]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>; A A "[11][233]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[12][234]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:31 AM A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A Scott A A A Nice job! A A A Great looking car. A A A Ed.. A A A Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 A A A From: [2]Scott Couchman via DeTomaso A A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 5:53 AM A A A To: [3][13][235]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A The USA Today Just Cool Cars team liked my 1949 Mercury Station A A wagon. A A A My 15 seconds of Internet video fame....:-) A A A Look, I can't drive the Pantera to Cars&Coffee every week! A A [14][236]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just- cool-cars- A A 49-m A A A ercury-wagon-hasnt-aged-day/85739834/ A A A _______________________________________________ A A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A A DeTomaso mailing list A A A [15][237]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A A [16][238]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A A use the links above. A A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward A A any A A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an A A archive A A A or approve the archiving of list messages. A A References A A A 1. [17][239]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 A A A 2. [18]mailto:[240]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A A 3. 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[260]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 A 18. mailto:[261]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A 19. mailto:[262]detomaso@detomasolist.com A 20. mailto:[263]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A 21. [264]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A "Himes, Terry (397C)" <[265]terry.himes(a)jpl.nasa.gov> To:A B Hower <[266]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com>, Ed Pike <[267]erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[268]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "[269]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[270]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sat, 30 Jul 2016 23:59:44 +0000 Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A My Uncle Wes (Myrick) has one parked in one of his barns in Michigan. A A He drove it the whole time I was growing A A up.A Its still there, runs great, I saw it again last October.A Wes is A A 93 and still works on most all his cars.A 6 barns full. A A I will post pictures of them when I get a spare minute.A Drinks a glass A A of whiskey (on-the-rocks) every night.A ;-) A A "A Purple Heart proves you were smart enough to hatch a plan, A A stupid enough to try it and lucky enough to survive!" A A Terry W. Himes A A JPL Jet Propulsion Laboratory A A Dawn Spacecraft Team A A Rosetta Sequence Team Lead A A Phone: [271](818) 393-6261 A A Cell:A A A [272](818) 653-8213 A A Fax:A A A [273](818) 393-3147 A A [1][274]thimes(a)jpl.nasa.gov A A From: DeTomaso <[2][275]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on behalf A A of B Hower via DeTomaso <[3][276]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> A A Reply-To: B Hower <[4][277]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> A A Date: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:07 PM A A To: Ed Pike <[5][278]erjpike(a)gmail.com>, Scott Couchman via DeTomaso A A <[6][279]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>, "[7][280]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" A A <[8][281]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A I like it, beautiful. A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be A A ! ) A A A A A From: Ed Pike <[9][282]erjpike(a)gmail.com> A A To: Scott Couchman via DeTomaso <[10][283]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com>; A A "[11][284]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[12][285]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 8:31 AM A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A Scott A A A Nice job! A A A Great looking car. A A A Ed.. A A A Sent from [1]Mail for Windows 10 A A A From: [2]Scott Couchman via DeTomaso A A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 5:53 AM A A A To: [3][13][286]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] NPC - USA Today filmed my 1949 Mercury "Woodie" A A A The USA Today Just Cool Cars team liked my 1949 Mercury Station A A wagon. A A A My 15 seconds of Internet video fame....:-) A A A Look, I can't drive the Pantera to Cars&Coffee every week! A A [14][287]http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2016/06/11/just- cool-cars- A A 49-m A A A ercury-wagon-hasnt-aged-day/85739834/ A A A _______________________________________________ A A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A A DeTomaso mailing list A A A [15][288]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A A [16][289]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A A use the links above. A A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward A A any A A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an A A archive A A A or approve the archiving of list messages. A A References A A A 1. [17][290]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 A A A 2. [18]mailto:[291]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A A 3. [19]mailto:[292]detomaso@detomasolist.com A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [20][293]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A [21][294]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive A A or approve the archiving of list messages. 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[311]https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986 A 18. mailto:[312]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A 19. mailto:[313]detomaso@detomasolist.com A 20. mailto:[314]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A 21. [315]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A B Hower <[316]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> To:A Julian Kift <[317]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Jeff Detrich <[318]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>, "[319]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com" <[320]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com>, "[321]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[322]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>, "[323]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[324]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sun, 31 Jul 2016 00:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show // twice A A I just got this e-mail twice, one minute between them. A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be A A ! ) A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Julian Kift <[325]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> A A To: Jeff Detrich <[326]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>; "[327]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com" A A <[328]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com>; "[329]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" A A <[330]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>; "[331]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" A A <[332]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:49 PM A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show A A A This was in reply to an email I didn't receive from the list, but I A A A notice a lot coming as bounces lately. I see that some emails are A A A coming from [1][333]detomaso(a)detoamsolist.com and others A A A [2][334]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, I have been using the latter is A A that A A A right? A A A Julian A A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A A From: DeTomaso <[3][335]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on A A behalf of A A A Jeff Detrich <[4][336]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> A A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 AM A A A To: [5][337]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; [6][338]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show A A A Charles, A A A Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit A A paranoid A A A when A A A people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow A A A off a A A A little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good A A A money A A A for the car. A A A Jeff Detrich A A A Car 6559 A A _______________________________________________ A A Detomaso Email List is not managed by POCA A A Posted emails must not exceed 1.5 Megabytes A A DeTomaso mailing list A A [7][339]DeTomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com A A [8][340]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso A A To manage your subscription (change email address, unsubscribe, etc.) A A use the links above. A A Members who post to this list grant license to the list to forward any A A message posted here to all past, current, or future members of the A A list. They also grant the list owner permission to maintain an archive A A or approve the archiving of list messages. References A A 1. mailto:[341]detomaso@detoamsolist.com A A 2. mailto:[342]detomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A 3. mailto:[343]detomaso-bounces@server.detomasolist.com A A 4. mailto:[344]jjdetrich@gmail.com A A 5. mailto:[345]chandler@rocket-hire.com A A 6. mailto:[346]detomaso@detomasolist.com A A 7. mailto:[347]DeTomaso@server.detomasolist.com A A 8. [348]http://server.detomasolist.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso ---------- Message transfA(c)rA(c) ---------- From:A B Hower <[349]b.hower3400(a)yahoo.com> To:A Julian Kift <[350]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com>, Jeff Detrich <[351]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>, "[352]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com" <[353]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com>, "[354]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" <[355]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>, "[356]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" <[357]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> Cc:A Date:A Sun, 31 Jul 2016 00:09:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject:A Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show // twice A A I just got this e-mail twice, one minute between them. A A Bud #3400 ( Drive it like there is no tomorrow -- for there may not be A A ! ) A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A From: Julian Kift <[358]julian_kift(a)hotmail.com> A A To: Jeff Detrich <[359]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com>; "[360]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com" A A <[361]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com>; "[362]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com" A A <[363]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com>; "[364]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com" A A <[365]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com> A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 1:49 PM A A Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show A A A This was in reply to an email I didn't receive from the list, but I A A A notice a lot coming as bounces lately. I see that some emails are A A A coming from [1][366]detomaso(a)detoamsolist.com and others A A A [2][367]detomaso(a)server.detomasolist.com, I have been using the latter is A A that A A A right? A A A Julian A A A A __________________________________________________________________ A A A From: DeTomaso <[3][368]detomaso-bounces(a)server.detomasolist.com> on A A behalf of A A A Jeff Detrich <[4][369]jjdetrich(a)gmail.com> A A A Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2016 11:44 AM A A A To: [5][370]chandler(a)rocket-hire.com; [6][371]detomaso(a)detomasolist.com A A A Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Show A A A Charles, A A A Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit A A paranoid A A A when A A A people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow A A A off a A A A little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good A A A money A A A for the car. 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Pantera Show
by Jeff Detrich 31 Jul '16

31 Jul '16

Charles, Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit paranoid when people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow off a little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good money for the car. Jeff Detrich Car 6559 Charles, Thanks for your considered reply. We Pantera owners are a bit paranoid when people talk about our cars. And this forum is where we sometimes blow off a little steam when cars are misrepresented. Glad to hear you got good money for the car. Jeff Detrich Car 6559

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